Canadian Division (Canada Cup) Part IV

[TeddyBare]

Habs are 1-3 against teams in the top 3 of the division

Stop Hyping these pigeons for the love of god.

Ive never seen a fan base so cocky bumping every thread where a Montreal player who may have been slighted.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I think the final standing will be

1. Toronto
2. Winnipeg
3. Montreal
4. Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Ottawa

I think Winnipeg is sneaky good

I'd swap Calgary and Montreal, but agree on the rest.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Both teams are playoff teams. Thats all that can be evaluated at this point in the season.

What is with Western Canadians and their irrational hatred of Toronto? I see Western Canadians on here who cheer for Montreal, Boston, and other teams who go bonkers over their hatred of Toronto. It is borderline mental health.

They hate the attention Toronto gets from TSN and Sportsnet.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I think the final standing will be

1. Toronto
2. Winnipeg
3. Montreal
4. Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Ottawa

I think Winnipeg is sneaky good

Pretty much what I would have went with from the outset (3 and 4 may flip). Agreed on Winnipeg.

 

[LEAFSANDBILLSFAN]

Western Canada has a Napolean Complex towards Ontario. Because we have the biggest city in Toronto and it is viewed as a world class city by other countries and is usually one of few places people know in Canada. Plus media coverage weighs heavily our way to. They feel under appreciated and under exposed, and many have an unjustified image that Ontarians have an arrogance about this and hold ourselves above the rest of Canada.

That's the impression I've gained interacting with Western Canadians over the years

I was born in Richmond BC and go out to Alberta, Kootenay (Trail, Castlegar, Nelson) Kelowna, and Vancouver quite a bit. Maybe its the company I keep when out there but none of them are as loony tunes about Toronto as what I see on here. This board is next level hatred of Toronto. I can only imagine most are young and haven't been over to Ontario and their whole perception revolves around the media.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Both teams are playoff teams. Thats all that can be evaluated at this point in the season.

What is with Western Canadians and their irrational hatred of Toronto? I see Western Canadians on here who cheer for Montreal, Boston, and other teams who go bonkers over their hatred of Toronto. It is borderline mental health.

Really? I find the opposite, for some reason Toronto fans can’t stand Vancouver/Edmonton.

 

[Zybalto]

It's weird that it's still soe early and many teams havnt played others that often or at all.

I can only judge the teams I have seen play the Leafs so far and I have it:

Toronto
Montreal
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Vancouver
Ottawa

Teams 3-5 are extremely fluid though and kind wind up anywhere there.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Really? I find the opposite, for some reason Toronto fans can’t stand Vancouver/Edmonton.

So you don't remember when some Canucks fans complained about the 4:00 PM PST start times when they played in Toronto in Vancouver on a Saturday, because I remember reading things like the league making sure the Leafs get their way telling the Canucks what time their home games should start.

 

[LEAFSANDBILLSFAN]

I love Alberta and Florida. Just want to point that out.

Edmonton has a big statement game tomorrow. Win against Montreal and this division is flipped on its head compared to what people were thinking only two weeks ago.

 

[LeafsNation75]

 

[Captain Bowie]

What is with Western Canadians and their irrational hatred of Toronto?

Because of attitudes like this:

Western Canada has a Napolean Complex towards Ontario. Because we have the biggest city in Toronto and it is viewed as a world class city by other countries.

unjustified image that Ontarians have an arrogance about this and hold ourselves above the rest of Canada.

Canada has many amazing places but many Ontarians can't see over the great lakes or past their cottages in Northern Ontario.

I work for a large Canadian company whose head office is in Mississauga. This is a very real thing.

 

[Spargon]

I was born out West and go out there quite a bit. Maybe its the company I keep when out there but none of them are as loony tunes about Toronto as what I see on here. This board is next level hatred of Toronto. I can only imagine most are young and haven't been over to Ontario and their whole perception revolves around the media.

On here it has become a viscous cycle. The Leafs for many years were a legit bad team. Our fans over hyped mediocre players because that's all we had. Posters have legit criticism for that, but every fan base does this. Now a group of vocal posters will slag on the Leafs every chance they get and we have a group of posters who enjoy picking the fight back because its low hanging fruit. Others posters see this as homerism, we attack back and round and round we go. All fan bases have a small select few posters who are very over the top with homerism which also drives up tension and then we all paint the entire fanbase with the same brush based on our most extreme posters. No fanbase is innocent, we are all guilty and its petty and childish and a big reason why it's hard to have decent discussions.

 

[Captain Bowie]

So you don't remember when some Canucks fans complained about the 4:00 PM PST start times when they played in Toronto in Vancouver on a Saturday, because I remember reading things like the league making sure the Leafs get their way telling the Canucks what time their home games should start.

That's been going on for a decade. Still doesn't make sense. Matters less without fans but still doesn't make sense.

 

[LEAFSANDBILLSFAN]

Because of attitudes like this:





Canada has many amazing places but many Ontarians can't see over the great lakes or past their cottages in Northern Ontario.

I work for a large Canadian company whose head office is in Mississauga. This is a very real thing.

I'm from BC and been back many times. The pettiness on here i have never experienced in real life.

 

[LeafsNation75]

That's been going on for a decade. Still doesn't make sense. Matters less without fans but still doesn't make sense.

That was a decision done for CBC and now Rogers.

 

[ThrowDemTongs]

I love Alberta and Florida. Just want to point that out.

Edmonton has a big statement game tomorrow. Win against Montreal and this division is flipped on its head compared to what people were thinking only two weeks ago.

Same. Leafs fan since 93 and love Alberta and live in Coquitlam.

 

[Spargon]

Because of attitudes like this:





Canada has many amazing places but many Ontarians can't see over the great lakes or past their cottages in Northern Ontario.

I work for a large Canadian company whose head office is in Mississauga. This is a very real thing.

I have been to every province in the country coast to coast except Newfoundland. I have been to towns across Ontario and I can count far far fewer Ontarians with a poor attitude towards West coast vs West Coasters against Ontario. Personal experience I guess.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Everyones happy. Leafs get the two points with some 4v4 goals. Habs fans still get to curl up with their 5v5 underlyings and pretend that proves something. Everything in its right place.

 

[TeddyBare]

Western Canada has a Napolean Complex towards Ontario. Because we have the biggest city in Toronto and it is viewed as a world class city by other countries and is usually one of few places people know in Canada.

This isn't a serious comment
Many publications rank Vancouver as one of the most livable cities in the North America and it is well known
same with montreal

 

[Heldig]

They hate the attention Toronto gets from TSN and Sportsnet.

I would say this is the primary issue. For a "national" network the heavily weighted focus on Toronto is annoying. I get the correlation between market size and the attention it receives but I don't have to like it.

 

[Rubi]

Western Canada has a Napolean Complex towards Ontario. Because we have the biggest city in Toronto and it is viewed as a world class city by other countries and is usually one of few places people know in Canada. Plus media coverage weighs heavily our way to. They feel under appreciated and under exposed, and many have an unjustified image that Ontarians have an arrogance about this and hold ourselves above the rest of Canada.

That's the impression I've gained interacting with Western Canadians over the years

I grew up near Toronto (Belleville) so I'm quite familiar with the city, having been there many many times. I really never liked the appearance of Toronto. Its an ugly city to drive into from either the east or the west. The best thing it has going for it is being next to Lake Ontario but after a while even that gets old and tired. Sure Toronto gets lots of concerts and plays but so does every other major Canadian city. Its also a very crowded place and honestly... a dirty city. The amount of trash you see lying around is amazing. Also you can't walk a block in the downtown area without having to step over some homeless person sleeping on the sidewalk. It also has a downtown area that I wouldn't feel particularly safe walking around by myself at night.

I'll stick with Calgary, where I moved to in my early 20's. Its a beautiful city that is big enough (1.55 million) but not too big. Being able to look west every day and see the Rocky Mountains (a 50 minute drive west of the city) is amazing. I've been to the Rockies too often to count but every time I visit I'm in awe. I love to photograph wildlife and have no problem at all finding eagles, hawks, owls, bears, coyotes, and deer to photograph. I also used to love to ski in my younger years. Every weekend I would drive to the Rockies to go skiing. While living in Ontario that would almost be a trip of a lifetime. I did it every weekend.

So no... I'm not jealous of those living in Toronto. Far from it. I almost feel sorry for those forced to live in that concrete and asphalt jungle. I never had any desire whatsoever to move back.

Here's a photograph looking west from where I live.... which is a small bedroom community just south of Calgary that is a 25 minute drive to downtown Calgary.

 

[Captain Bowie]

I was born in Richmond BC and go out to Alberta, Kootenay (Trail, Castlegar, Nelson) Kelowna, and Vancouver quite a bit. Maybe its the company I keep when out there but none of them are as loony tunes about Toronto as what I see on here. This board is next level hatred of Toronto. I can only imagine most are young and haven't been over to Ontario and their whole perception revolves around the media.

Samsies! But grew up on the island. We kinda looked at "mainlanders" like most BCers look at Toronto.

But their so chill in the Kootenays/ Okanagan because it's so awesome there. In Kelowna their drunk off their ass on wine, in Castelgar their chillin floatin' down the river, in Trail they are bowing to their industry overlords on the hill (or skiing) and Nelson they have just about everything. That is one town I would seriously consider id I couldn't live on the island or lower mainland.

 

[Captain Bowie]

That was a decision done for CBC and now Rogers.

So Rogers dictates the NHL schedule? A company that owns a significant stake in the Leafs?

 

[Fogelhund]

Alberta is like the Florida of Canada...nuts.

Vancouver has a beautiful city. Didn't get to interact with a lot of people.

I am hoping to get vaccinated and check out Eastern Canada in the summer if things get more normal.

This isn't any intent to turn this into a political discussion, but I see the politics of Alberta, to be very different than most of the rest of Canada. Also, there is a great deal of animosity towards Ottawa/ the Feds/East, over the Energy situation. I don't know if this carries over into hockey somewhat, but it's possible.

 

[Captain Bowie]

I have been to every province in the country coast to coast except Newfoundland. I have been to towns across Ontario and I can count far far fewer Ontarians with a poor attitude towards West coast vs West Coasters against Ontario. Personal experience I guess.

I didn't say anything about the small towners from like North Bay or Timmins.