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gameofinches said:
ya know, a couple bounces of the puck, and a shot, and Canada would not have even won against the US, let alone the world. Latvia could have beat Canada.


I appreciate the Canadian confidence, but good lord... if the US plays Canada in a seven game series, quite likely it goes seven.
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Canada would sweep the US

Maybe win in 5

While they only won 1-0 they clearly dominated the play.
 
bursilym said:
Look at all the insecure posters calling this arrogant
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I don't think it has anything to do with insecurity. The thought of [Insert Country Here]'s team doesn't scare me in my everyday life nor does it change how I go about how I live it.

Not to mention you took what was said out of context
 
gameofinches said:
Canada outplayed us that game.. but something goes in early, and we had plenty of chances, and the entire dynamic shifts. Canada is better on paper, but we came together earlier.

We needed an early goal that game..didn't get it. Winning big games, and confidence in big games comes with time.

US woman outplayed Canada pretty much the whole game.. and lost. It's hockey.

So I guess.. sure Canada could beat a world team.. the US boys beat the Russian men in 1980...
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If we were talking about the women's team, I don't think Canada would be able to push it to 7 with the US team. Any competitive team can win a one-game showdown which the Canadian women showed, but over 7 games, the bounces even out and the better players (and especially team) should take over. All things being equal (including both sets of players coming together as a team), Canada should be able to finish a 7 game series with the US without having to go to a deciding game.
 
Canada could win but I'd put my money on this team:

Zetterberg-Datsyuk-Hossa
Parise-Malkin-Kessel
Vanek-Kopitar-Kane
Steen-Backes-Landeskog
Ovechkin (PP only)

Suter-Mcdonagh
Chara-OEL
Kronwall-Karlsson

Lundqvist
Quick
Rask
 
IMO this is what the lines should look like for both teams, and they look fairly even on paper. The game could go either way.

Canada:

Duchene - Crosby - Stamkos
Hall - Toews - Neal
Tavares - Getzlaf - Perry
St.Louis - Thornton - Giroux

Keith - Weber
Doughty - Pietrangelo
Vlasic - Subban

Price


World:

Steen - Malkin - Kane
Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Ovechkin
Parise - Kopitar - Hossa
D.Sedin - H.Sedin - Kessel

Karlsson - Chara
Ekman-Larsson - Suter
McDonagh - Kronwall

Rask
 
Perhaps we can model this like the Ryder Cup or Presidents Cup in Golf. Have a competition every two years, alternating locations between Canada/North America and Europe. Either Canada vs World or North America vs World. Short and sweet over 5 days or so, best of 3. Owners can stomach that short a layoff vs massive Olympic break. Through in an outdoor game for the hell of it.
 
SenatorArmy said:
I think it's alot closer than people care to admit.
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once you have a team of elite players, the results don't always depend on who has the best 20 players - the rosters will be very close. The talent level is very close. Even in a 7 game series, I'd imagine the games would be close.

And that's not just for Canada.

If you take the best USA team and play against "everyone else" (or even Russia, Sweden for that matter), the games will be close.

So much depends on chemistry, luck, goaltending and playing with discipline.

It's not just the best players. And the key thing is that there's no real outlier(s) in terms of pure, game-changing talent (like Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr) - the elites are pretty even across all the top countries.

Of course, this is just pointless speculation :)
 
rocky7 said:
how about we just see if they can beat Team Sweden for the Gold first.......?



#cocky
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Not at all, I would of made this thread even if canada lost to USA. Some people just don't know their hockey or are just dumb to see that canada has lots of the best players in the world.
 
rocky7 said:
how about we just see if they can beat Team Sweden for the Gold first.......?



#cocky
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No guarantees about winning against Sweden. Any of the top teams can beat any other one of the top teams on any given day.

But in a long series it would be really interesting.

I would love to see a best of 15, for example. That would be enough games to see both sides in a settled environment where they have to rely on depth and the fact that their goalie can't have the game of his life 15 games in a row.
 
I don't think that "world team" is necessarily that much better than Sweden or Canada... It would be really tough for Canada (and even tougher for Sweden on paper), but they could definitely do it.

Finland could also win if they're allowed to have Rask vs Rask.
 
rocky7 said:
how about we just see if they can beat Team Sweden for the Gold first.......?



#cocky
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Yea hate stupid comments like this. Just because team sweden may beat Team Canada in one game doesnt mean team canada can't beat team world. Heck. Even team sweden has a decent chance of beating team world in one game. Because you can win one game if your goalie stands tall, bounces, luck, etc.
 
parabola said:
I don't think that "world team" is necessarily that much better than Sweden or Canada... It would be really tough for Canada (and even tougher for Sweden on paper), but they could definitely do it.

Finland could also win if they're allowed to have Rask vs Rask.
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So rask is best goalie in world now huh
 
IMO the current Canadian olympic team and some of the world lineups I've seen have seemed extremely close in talent on paper. The thing I wonder about is the motivation for the world team. What would they be playing for? Not to be embarrassed maybe? Whereas I can't think of anything more motivating for the Canadians. A World vs Canada series, you bet the Canadians would be ready to play.
 
Smif said:
A World vs Canada series, you bet the Canadians would be ready to play.
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I'm a Hab fan from the 60s. Back then, losing the cup was an axe to the heart for Quebeckers. Pride was such a huge motivator for the players and fans, but we don't see that as much anymore. Us against the world would bring back that pride by the truckloads for our players. We see that pride now for a gold metal, it would be at another level if it was "Canada vs the world".

GO CANADA GO
 
Amp30 said:
IMO this is what the lines should look like for both teams, and they look fairly even on paper. The game could go either way.

Canada:

Duchene - Crosby - Stamkos
Hall - Toews - Neal
Tavares - Getzlaf - Perry
St.Louis - Thornton - Giroux

Keith - Weber
Doughty - Pietrangelo
Vlasic - Subban

Price


World:

Steen - Malkin - Kane
Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Ovechkin
Parise - Kopitar - Hossa
D.Sedin - H.Sedin - Kessel

Karlsson - Chara
Ekman-Larsson - Suter
McDonagh - Kronwall

Rask
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I think StLouis is done and agree with the rest.

I don't know why Subban and Hall/Stall are not playing. Kunitz and Bergeron are Bteam material.
 
Kharkov said:
If Finns are "historic enemies" to somebody it is Russia (or vice versa), not Sweden. Many Finns cheer for Sweden (when they arent playing against Finland) and many Swede cheer for Finland (when they arent playing against Sweden ofc)
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Too many countries consider Russians a "historic enemy." We actually get confused and don't quite know whom to consider a "historic enemy" back. Opinions on the matter differ, but I really don't think that Finland is on top of anyone's list. :)
 
bursilym said:
Ofc it can compete against other countrie. You are giving too much credit to latvia and finnish defensive play and some good goaltending. I bet even the C team can be competitive (maybe not win aganst top countries).
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Post like these are prime examples why a lot of fans from other countries do not cheer for Canada...haughty, scornfull.
 
Will there be Canadian refs? Well, it's a no-brainer. 4-0 to Canada!:laugh:

Honestly though. 10-12 of the 20 best players in the world is Canadian. Clearly you would have a slight edge. There is for example at most 3-4 americans who would take a place in the Canadian squad.

Btw. Let's go Europe vs North America instead. We don't want the americans. Wouldn't be good when it comes to building our team. Canada vs the World dosen't really makes sense btw.
 
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Jackson14 said:
Yeah but that's what makes this an odd question to answer. Both those teams were vastly inferior to Canada on paper and both came close (although severely outplayed). So hypotheticaly an inferior team Canada could beat the world despite not being as good on paper cause **** happens.
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In a 7 game series? No.
 
The D for both teams would be even and Price can compete with any goaltender with the way he's playing now. The World would have more offensive talent but the Canadians have the better 2 way players. And you'd have to swap and change the forwards.

Duchene - Crosby - Stamkos
Hall - Tavares - Giroux
Benn - Getzlaf - Perry
Marleau- Toews - Bergeron (Shutdown Line)
Carter
Sharp

Those are pretty flawless lines. I think when you add the Russians you have more top end talent, but there's such a good balance of talent and two-way players for Canada.
 
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