Canada VS Rest of world.

[jgoud*]

Well, considering that Canada managed to beat Finlands B/ C team just a couple of days ago in overtime during the Olympics and Rask is the only player from that team who would make the rest of the world roster... No, i really don't think Canada could seriously compete with rest of the world even thought they are the best single nation in hockey.

The best possible US and Sweden roster are so close to Canada's level that it's almost a coin-flip, add Russian forwards, Finnish goalies, Chara and maybe Kopitar... Now, if Canadas A team plays a best of 7 series against that team, it wouldn't be pretty, i don't think Canada would win a single game and the goal differential would be somewhere around 3-6 goals per game.


NA vs Rest of the world in the other hand... Or NHL all-star vs KHL & Euro leagues all-stars..?

This is hilarious.

If you think 2 injuries instantly turns your country's team into a B or C team then you're out to lunch. It was your A team minus 2 players and Canada dominated that entire game. Finland got outplayed in everything minus in net, and even there they were lucky making it to OT. If you're saying NA vs the world would be competitive but not Canada vs the world, you're essentially saying that a D pairing of Suter and McD and Kessel and Kane (maybe) are the difference of making our Team competitive, which is completely false. Giroux makes the team before Kessel anyway, so that's basically 3 players and a backup goalie (which doesn't matter because Price will be playing).

I think you're mistaking that hypothetical goal differential in a 7 game series with Canada and Finland. If Canada played a 7 game series against Finland there would MAYBE be one game within a 2 goals difference, and the others wouldn't be pretty for Finland.

 

[Hasa92]

We were missing Mikko Koivu, Filppula, Barkov and Rinne... That's our 1C, 2C, 3C and Starter in net. Yes, i do think that missing our 3 best Centers is a major disadvantage and we had second rate players in our top lines, missing Rinne wasn't really a big deal even thought he is arguably our best goalie but i would rank Rask ahead of him...

We'we had better rosters on paper in a freaking Euro hockey tour... Yes we were playing against Canada with our B-squad... Also Saku Koivu declined to join the team as well did Bergenheim... thats 2 more players but "only" from the bottom six lines. Imagine if Canada wouldn't have Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, Price and 2 "random" 3rd-4th liners... Would you call that an A team Canada?

 

[hitmen19]

We were missing Mikko Koivu, Filppula, Barkov and Rinne... That's our 1C, 2C, 3C and Starter in net. Yes, i do think that missing our 3 best Centers is a major disadvantage and we had second rate players in our top lines, missing Rinne wasn't really a big deal even thought he is arguably our best goalie but i would rank Rask ahead of him...

We'we had better rosters on paper in a freaking Euro hockey tour... Yes we were playing against Canada with our B-squad... Also Saku Koivu declined to join the team as well did Bergenheim... thats 2 more players but "only" from the bottom six lines. Imagine if Canada wouldn't have Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, Price and 2 "random" 3rd-4th liners... Would you call that an A team Canada?

if they were replaced, we would still call team Canada gold medal champions, we have that much depth, we don't cry, we just move on. just like the two guys we missed in stamkos and Tavares are both better then any player you lost

 

[jgoud*]

We were missing Mikko Koivu, Filppula, Barkov and Rinne... That's our 1C, 2C, 3C and Starter in net. Yes, i do think that missing our 3 best Centers is a major disadvantage and we had second rate players in our top lines, missing Rinne wasn't really a big deal even thought he is arguably our best goalie but i would rank Rask ahead of him...

We'we had better rosters on paper in a freaking Euro hockey tour... Yes we were playing against Canada with our B-squad... Also Saku Koivu declined to join the team as well did Bergenheim... thats 2 more players but "only" from the bottom six lines. Imagine if Canada wouldn't have Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, Price and 2 "random" 3rd-4th liners... Would you call that an A team Canada?

Congratulations on comparing Koivu, Filppula and Barkov to Crosby, Stamkos and Tavares. We also finished the tournament without 2 of them, and you don't see us whining about not having them and giving excuses as to not scoring. Even if we didn't have them, we wouldn't be icing our "B" team. It would be our "A" team minus 3 guys. You're "B" team wouldn't have any of the initially chosen players for the team, only the replacements and they would be the best players on that team.

Why are you even talking about Rinne? Rask is the better goalie, no questions asked. And Canada ****ing dominated your team with him in net. The whining over there is hilarious.

 

[jgoud*]

And Rinne was never your starter, so good try.

 

[RorschachWJK]

This is hilarious.

If you think 2 injuries instantly turns your country's team into a B or C team then you're out to lunch. It was your A team minus 2 players and Canada dominated that entire game. Finland got outplayed in everything minus in net, and even there they were lucky making it to OT. If you're saying NA vs the world would be competitive but not Canada vs the world, you're essentially saying that a D pairing of Suter and McD and Kessel and Kane (maybe) are the difference of making our Team competitive, which is completely false. Giroux makes the team before Kessel anyway, so that's basically 3 players and a backup goalie (which doesn't matter because Price will be playing).

I think you're mistaking that hypothetical goal differential in a 7 game series with Canada and Finland. If Canada played a 7 game series against Finland there would MAYBE be one game within a 2 goals difference, and the others wouldn't be pretty for Finland.

Minus 7 players that would have been on the team: Pekka Rinne, Mikko Koivu, Valtteri Filppula, Alexander Barkov, Saku Koivu, Joni Pitkänen and Sean Bergenheim.

That includes our three top centers plus our best defensive center and number one defenseman.

 

[RorschachWJK]

Congratulations on comparing Koivu, Filppula and Barkov to Crosby, Stamkos and Tavares. We also finished the tournament without 2 of them, and you don't see us whining about not having them and giving excuses as to not scoring. Even if we didn't have them, we wouldn't be icing our "B" team. It would be our "A" team minus 3 guys. You're "B" team wouldn't have any of the initially chosen players for the team, only the replacements and they would be the best players on that team.

Why are you even talking about Rinne? Rask is the better goalie, no questions asked. And Canada ****ing dominated your team with him in net. The whining over there is hilarious.

Whining? Pointing out factual errors is now whining, colour me surprised...

 

[llwyd]

I really have to make this simple:

say we miss 4 top players out of a quite thinly starred team whose value is say 25 out of the team's total value of 100. We replace them with four players from a very shallow player pool whose total value to the team is 10. The end result is much weakened team with the value of 85.

Then say a really strong team of the total value of 175 loses 2 top players whose value to the team is 20, they are then replaced from a strong player pool with two new ones whose total value is 15. We end up with a slightly weakened team of the value of 170. That is how top player losses are OBJECTIVELY much more significant for teams with more shallow depth.

Now, it's simply a statement of fact that because of a shallow player pool (not a good thing, btw) Finland suffered clearly more than Canada (or even Sweden) in losing some of our absolute top players, even if individually Canada had a couple of very strong players missing. I guess it might make for whining too, but it won't change the fact itself, as it really is true, the empirical reality.

 

[balkin204*]

lol at ppl saying no. canadas team is filled with 1st liners just like the world team wld be. just depends who shows up

 

[Faltorvo]

Have to see some lineup examples. Chara the beast, Karlsson, Suter, Rask, Kane, Parise, Kesler, Hossa, Krejci, etc. It's gonna be pretty hard.

Don't get cocky, Canada.

Oh it would be one hell of a best of 7 TBVH.

I think it would come down to coaching system , could team world get the guys to check the egos at the door and accept 3rd/4th line roles?

We are talking about building a "TEAM" here, right, not just a allstar laiden paper team. Canada gets to add Stammer and John T?

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

im gonna try a rest of the world team sort of

Ovechkin - Malkin - Kane
Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Kessel
Parise - Kopitar - Kovalchuck
Daniel Sedin - Backstrom/Henrik Sedin - Zetterberg

Chara - Karlsson
Edler - Yandle
Kronwall - Suter

-OEL

Lundqvist
Rask


Including the big names i forgot

McDonagh should be in there.

 

[Faltorvo]

The world team would have very little chemistry and I think a lot of people are over-looking that fact.

I'm not sure about that, if you got the right GM and coach, get them to check the ego at the door it could work.

 

[Gh24]

Congratulations on comparing Koivu, Filppula and Barkov to Crosby, Stamkos and Tavares.

Get your head out of your arse, no one is comparing their individual skills, it's comparing the drop off in talent for the team in whole.

You have depth to replace the players with top line talent, still remaining the top team on paper.
We? Hahahahahaha..............I wish we had even one player with the skill of your replacement players!

That's why the injuries hit us harder.

Which is why Canada is the #1 in hockey. They produce extreme skill, and they produce a lot of it.

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For this rest of the world team I'd like to see it being built around pairings, except for the strong 4th

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Kessel
Ovechkin - Backstrom - Malkin
Sedin - Sedin - Kane
Wheeler - Backes - Hossa
(Kopitar/Krejci/Kesler)

Suter - Karlsson
Chara - McDonough
Byfuglien - Yandle
(Shattenkirk)

Quick
Rask
Lundqvist
(goalies in no particular order)

 

[Doshell Propivo]

if they were replaced, we would still call team Canada gold medal champions, we have that much depth, we don't cry, we just move on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDKhzppyD-k

 

[Namba 17]

Always liked this game

Team world:
Vanek - Datsuk - Malkin
Zetterberg - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Parise - Kesler - Kessel
Filppula - Kopitar - Hossa
Krejci

Hedman - Karlsson
Suter - McDonagh
Kronwall - Vatanen
OEL

Rask
Ludquist
Bobrovskiy

 

[jgoud*]

Minus 7 players that would have been on the team: Pekka Rinne, Mikko Koivu, Valtteri Filppula, Alexander Barkov, Saku Koivu, Joni Pitkänen and Sean Bergenheim.

That includes our three top centers plus our best defensive center and number one defenseman.

Wow way to over-exaggerate your hardships, it's more like 2/3 guys. Rask is the best finish goalie so I don't know why you're bringing Rinne up. Bergenheim wasn't even initially invited, Barkov played but got injured in the round robin games and Pitkanen hasn't played a game in about a year. It's like me saying Canada COULD have had Pronger playing. I agree both Koivus and Filppula are injuries that affected Finland and they don't have the depth of Canada to replace these guys. But using 3 missing guys on a single team to downplay the entire tournament is ridiculous. Teams like Russia and the States didn't have injuries.

 

[Rentsi]

if they were replaced, we would still call team Canada gold medal champions, we have that much depth, we don't cry, we just move on. just like the two guys we missed in stamkos and Tavares are both better then any player you lost

You lost 3 junior players to NHL so why didn't you just replace them? You do know that you have 446 000 junior players and we have only 37 000 in Finland. But when wjc started we also lost 2 of our best juniors to NHL, you wanna know what we did? We replaced them and we still call them team Finland junior gold medal champions, we have that much depth.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Duchene - Crosby - Stamkos
Hall - Tavares - Giroux
Benn - Getzlaf - Perry
Carter - Toews - Bergeron

Marleau, Sharp

Keith - Weber
Bouwmeester - Pietrangelo
Vlasic - Doughty
Hamhuis - Subban

Price
Luongo
Smith

Kunitz & Nash out
Giroux and Hall in

Lose nothing in speed, defensive play, or scoring, and instead gain improvements in speed, offensive creativity, and game-breaking ability.

This lineup is just as defensively stifling as the Team Canada that won Gold a few days ago, but with a huge increase in offensive potential with a healthy Stamkos & Tavares, and the addition of the speedy and skilled Giroux and Hall.

I think this team could seriously compete with anything the rest of the world can come up with.