WJC: Canada 2019 Roster Talk Part 2

[Legend123]

Better and steadier than Dobson at this point isn't much of an accomplishment considering his level of play. He's been pretty poor up to this point to be honest. Maybe I was expecting too much, same as Dobson.

I think hes been mediocre, not great not bad. But my point still stands, hes been better than the mess of Dobson. Just scratch him and replace his place by Brook who is much better on his natural side, the RD.

 

[Legend123]

I think Brook has been average at best. He did show flashes of what he is capable of last night but so far that is all they have been is flashes.

True but still better than Dobson on his offside. I wanna see him on his natural side. Hes much more effective there

 

[admiralcadillac]

I think Brook has been average at best. He did show flashes of what he is capable of last night but so far that is all they have been is flashes.

flashes tend to happen when your ice time is restricted. He was one of the best D canada had yesterday night.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

True but still better than Dobson on his offside. I wanna see him on his natural side. Hes much more effective there

I agree I have been wanting him on his strong side for a while but roster construction is probably going to keep that from happening....there is nothing left on the left side if he gets shifted over

 

[DFAC]

It was a decent bounce back for Dipietro. Thought he made alot of good saves, had a no chance on the first goal (made a nice original save). The guy was left wide open on the 2nd goal. Live it looked like an absolute snipe but after seeing the replay it wasn't quite as nice as Tolvanen's shot. Maybe you'd like a save there but either way he was left with way too much time.

Scott didn't have to make as many big saves as Canada picked it up when he got in. He got absolutely sniped out by Tolvanen & then the 1st one was pretty tough to hang him on.

Would have liked to see Scott tested a bit more as I missed the game he started but overall I think goaltending will be fine for Canada. Defensive lapses will be more detrimental than goaltending IMO.

Finland definitely has the best goalie, and possibly the best FWD. USA probably has the best defenseman. Canada has good players but its going to have to be the whole team carrying their weight for Canada to win.

Honestly, it wouldn't be the WJC without a Canadian goalie controversy

 

[4thlineduster]

I’m curious to see how this D corps of guys who can move the puck and put up points, but are for the most part defensive liabilities, fairs in this tourney.

Gonna be an interesting experiment, however if the pre tourney games are any indication, it’s going to be stressful as a Canada fan to watch.

 

[wings5]

Canada's population is much more spread out. Also, don't read too much into a one-off game, that's what makes these tournaments so unpredictable. In comparison, Canada's most densely populated area which is the GTA/Golden Horseshoe could field a best on best team that could take on any country in the nation, and a lot of that talent is still fairly young like McDavid and Marner. Also, how Europe supports athletes through club programs makes it much more accessible. If the League let the Leafs through money at the best 8 to 12 year olds while getting their rights when they turn 18, the game would be much more affordable, but that is not something that is accepted in NA Professional sports, so the Leafs or the rich teams in these market, have little interest in subsidizing kids through junior hockey.

Except the problem isn't getting more kids into the game, even though that would be great, we still have more registered players than any other country by far yet, they seem to be training theirs in a far more efficient fashion.

 

[93LEAFS]

Except the problem isn't getting more kids into the game, even though that would be great, we still have more registered players than any other country by far yet, they seem to be training theirs in a far more efficient fashion.

It's the cost of training them. The reason the Toronto area does so well produce players is a combination of, density allowing a bunch of high-end guys to be in one area, high-end coaching, and how affluent the area is. We have no private industries with a vested interest in developing hockey players until the age of 16 in the CHL. Canadian tax-payers aren't going to subsidize hockey heavily, and CHL and NHL teams (where the profit is realized) have no interest in funding high-level triple-A programs because the talent is entered into a dispersal draft, so they don't reap the benefits. Compared to Europe, where they have the academy system. For example, TFC has a vested interest in developing the best soccer players in Toronto, because they can eventually be groomed and brought into their roster. That doesn't apply to the NHL. I mean, why would the Leafs or Canadiens want to invest heavily into high-level rep hockey when they are just developing someone for another team.

 

[KingBilly]

Crosby is from Cole Harbour Nova Scotia, so slow y'alls roll about the GTA being the center of hockey talent in Canada. It comes from every part of this country, be it Atlantic Canada, Quebec, Ontario, Alberta, or BC.

 

[DavidLamb]

Hi everyone,

Please review this statistical data regarding Team Canada performance in NA as compared Europe which can provide us some information reflecting Canadian Hockey and Development as whole when comparing to USA, Sweden, Finland, and Russia.

2010	United States (2)	Canada (7)	Sweden (5)	Saskatoon and Regina	Canada
2011	Russia (4/13)	Canada (8)	United States (4)	Buffalo and Lewiston[8]	United States
2012	Sweden (2)	Russia (7/10)	Canada (5)	Calgary and Edmonton	Canada
2013	United States (3)	Sweden (9)	Russia (6/8)	Ufa	Russia
2014	Finland (3)	Sweden (10)	Russia (7/9)	Malmö	Sweden
2015	Canada (16)	Russia (8/11)	Slovakia (2)	Toronto and Montreal	Canada
2016	Finland (4)	Russia (9/12)	United States (5)	Helsinki	Finland
2017	United States (4)	Canada (9)	Russia (8/10)	Montreal and Toronto	Canada
2018	Canada (17)	Sweden (11)	United States (6)	Buffalo and Orchard Park[9]	United States

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Based on this statistical result, we can assess elite junior players world-wide. In the last 9 tournaments, TC has 2 golds, 3 silvers, 1 bronze where tournaments are held in NA.

When tournaments are held in Europe on the bigger ice in the last 9 years, TC has no medals. I will leave this for you to interpret and write your critics.

 

[CanuckistanFlyerfan]

Canada 37 million, Finland 5.5 million but it has nothing to do with population it just shows how broken the Canadian hockey system is where skills are less important than the excessive number of games or thirteen year olds wearing suits to games as the top priorities of Hockey Canada!

You know what else is less important? Exhibition games. They lost a game that doesn't matter. They are the defending GOLD winner. That matters. With or without a suit.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

You know what else is less important? Exhibition games. They lost a game that doesn't matter. They are the defending GOLD winner. That matters. With or without a suit.

This so many times this lol. They lost an exhibition game and its time for a referendum on the state of Canadian hockey now

 

[RED ARMY EAST]

Crosby is from Cole Harbour Nova Scotia, so slow y'alls roll about the GTA being the center of hockey talent in Canada. It comes from every part of this country, be it Atlantic Canada, Quebec, Ontario, Alberta, or BC.

Nathan McKinnon is from Cole Harbour
Brad Marchand-Hammond Plains
All 3 are from Greater Halifax area
Not a bad Olympic line, eh....

 

[RED ARMY EAST]

Hi everyone,

Please review this statistical data regarding Team Canada performance in NA as compared Europe which can provide us some information reflecting Canadian Hockey and Development as whole when comparing to USA, Sweden, Finland, and Russia.

2010	United States (2)	Canada (7)	Sweden (5)	Saskatoon and Regina	Canada
2011	Russia (4/13)	Canada (8)	United States (4)	Buffalo and Lewiston[8]	United States
2012	Sweden (2)	Russia (7/10)	Canada (5)	Calgary and Edmonton	Canada
2013	United States (3)	Sweden (9)	Russia (6/8)	Ufa	Russia
2014	Finland (3)	Sweden (10)	Russia (7/9)	Malmö	Sweden
2015	Canada (16)	Russia (8/11)	Slovakia (2)	Toronto and Montreal	Canada
2016	Finland (4)	Russia (9/12)	United States (5)	Helsinki	Finland
2017	United States (4)	Canada (9)	Russia (8/10)	Montreal and Toronto	Canada
2018	Canada (17)	Sweden (11)	United States (6)	Buffalo and Orchard Park[9]	United States

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Based on this statistical result, we can assess elite junior players world-wide. In the last 9 tournaments, TC has 2 golds, 3 silvers, 1 bronze where tournaments are held in NA.

When tournaments are held in Europe on the bigger ice in the last 9 years, TC has no medals. I will leave this for you to interpret and write your critics.

Interesting data, but I think it's more like the talent talent gap has closed a bit. Finland has won both gold medals on big ice.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Better and steadier than Dobson at this point isn't much of an accomplishment considering his level of play. He's been pretty poor up to this point to be honest. Maybe I was expecting too much, same as Dobson.

How has he been pretty poor? Is there a specific instance you can come up with where he's been poor?

None of the D men on the team have stood out in any way. None have been particularly poor.

I’m curious to see how this D corps of guys who can move the puck and put up points, but are for the most part defensive liabilities, fairs in this tourney.

Gonna be an interesting experiment, however if the pre tourney games are any indication, it’s going to be stressful as a Canada fan to watch.

Just because these guys put up points doesn't make them defensive liabilities, unless you have proof with regards to that? None gave any indication of being liabilities in juniors.

 

[PecnoTrunk]

Our coaching will let us down. Hunter doesn't look like a cerebral coach. But again don't know anything about him

Didn't seem to be able to make changes during the game. Reminds me of the coach that forced his players to where the black cap.

 

[4thlineduster]

Just because these guys put up points doesn't make them defensive liabilities, unless you have proof with regards to that? None gave any indication of being liabilities in juniors.

Have you watched the pre tourney games? Whether or not they are defensive liabilities in juniors is irrelevant.

So far, from what I’ve seen, this team Canada looks nowhere near good enough defensively to really challenge for a gold.

The game against Finland in particular, the D looked terrible on a couple goals. On Finlands’ second goal, the two D men literally stood there and watched the finish player standing about six feet from the net allowing him to take his time and snipe. On either Finland’s 1st or 3rd (I can’t remember which) the Finnish player who played the rebound was alone in front of the net. On the Finns’ 4th goal, the Finnish winger was left totally uncontested in front of the net with no Canadian player within 5 feet of him. (Yes it was a PK, however the Canadian Dman was playing up at the faceoff dot which is way too high)

I’m not going into panic mode or saying all is lost before the tournament starts.....but this three game sample hasn’t left me a lot of confidence in our blue line when playing against top end opponents. Here’s hoping I’m proven wrong with my concern.

 

[Boonk]

Hi everyone,

Please review this statistical data regarding Team Canada performance in NA as compared Europe which can provide us some information reflecting Canadian Hockey and Development as whole when comparing to USA, Sweden, Finland, and Russia.

2010	United States (2)	Canada (7)	Sweden (5)	Saskatoon and Regina	Canada
2011	Russia (4/13)	Canada (8)	United States (4)	Buffalo and Lewiston[8]	United States
2012	Sweden (2)	Russia (7/10)	Canada (5)	Calgary and Edmonton	Canada
2013	United States (3)	Sweden (9)	Russia (6/8)	Ufa	Russia
2014	Finland (3)	Sweden (10)	Russia (7/9)	Malmö	Sweden
2015	Canada (16)	Russia (8/11)	Slovakia (2)	Toronto and Montreal	Canada
2016	Finland (4)	Russia (9/12)	United States (5)	Helsinki	Finland
2017	United States (4)	Canada (9)	Russia (8/10)	Montreal and Toronto	Canada
2018	Canada (17)	Sweden (11)	United States (6)	Buffalo and Orchard Park[9]	United States

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Based on this statistical result, we can assess elite junior players world-wide. In the last 9 tournaments, TC has 2 golds, 3 silvers, 1 bronze where tournaments are held in NA.

When tournaments are held in Europe on the bigger ice in the last 9 years, TC has no medals. I will leave this for you to interpret and write your critics.

Okay?

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Hi everyone,

Please review this statistical data regarding Team Canada performance in NA as compared Europe which can provide us some information reflecting Canadian Hockey and Development as whole when comparing to USA, Sweden, Finland, and Russia.

2010	United States (2)	Canada (7)	Sweden (5)	Saskatoon and Regina	Canada
2011	Russia (4/13)	Canada (8)	United States (4)	Buffalo and Lewiston[8]	United States
2012	Sweden (2)	Russia (7/10)	Canada (5)	Calgary and Edmonton	Canada
2013	United States (3)	Sweden (9)	Russia (6/8)	Ufa	Russia
2014	Finland (3)	Sweden (10)	Russia (7/9)	Malmö	Sweden
2015	Canada (16)	Russia (8/11)	Slovakia (2)	Toronto and Montreal	Canada
2016	Finland (4)	Russia (9/12)	United States (5)	Helsinki	Finland
2017	United States (4)	Canada (9)	Russia (8/10)	Montreal and Toronto	Canada
2018	Canada (17)	Sweden (11)	United States (6)	Buffalo and Orchard Park[9]	United States

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Based on this statistical result, we can assess elite junior players world-wide. In the last 9 tournaments, TC has 2 golds, 3 silvers, 1 bronze where tournaments are held in NA.

When tournaments are held in Europe on the bigger ice in the last 9 years, TC has no medals. I will leave this for you to interpret and write your critics.

Heavy analysis here

 

[Hagstrom]

"Maxime Comtois will wear the “C” for Team Canada in Vancouver; assisted by Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Evan Bouchard and Ian Mitchell."

 

[Dominance]

"Maxime Comtois will wear the “C” for Team Canada in Vancouver; assisted by Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Evan Bouchard and Ian Mitchell."

I guess I’m a little surprised that Glass didn’t get an A, but on second thought he’s never struck me as a very vocal leader. Good choices.

 

[snipes]

"Maxime Comtois will wear the “C” for Team Canada in Vancouver; assisted by Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Evan Bouchard and Ian Mitchell."

Good choices

 

[780il]

My guess is:

C - Comtois (he has it in the bag)
A - Bouchard
A - Glass/Anderson-Dolan

"Maxime Comtois will wear the “C” for Team Canada in Vancouver; assisted by Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Evan Bouchard and Ian Mitchell."

I called it!

 

[Mehar]

You know what else is less important? Exhibition games. They lost a game that doesn't matter. They are the defending GOLD winner. That matters. With or without a suit.

Well said. People need to stop analyzing an exhibition game that does not matter. Let's analyze this Canadian team when the scores really matter.

 

[4thlineduster]

Well said. People need to stop analyzing an exhibition game that does not matter. Let's analyze this Canadian team when the scores really matter.

Pre tournament games literally exist for the sole purpose of player analysis to best allow teams to prepare for the tournament.

If you’re not going to analyze what happens in pre tournament games then they wouldn’t be played as teams would not risk injury for no reason.