WJC: Canada 2019 Roster Talk Part 2

[JackSlater]

I agree that we have much to worry about. As I said in an earlier post, the last thing you want to happen in hockey is being caught too slow. Last night it showed that this team lacks dynamic talent. The type of talent that makes the game easy for us and intimidates the other teams. If the Finns had us on our heels what are we going to do when we play the U.S. and have the Hughes brothers, et al, coming at us at a 100 mph. Whether the recent years are a mere trough in the development of Canadian hockey or is systemic of something wrong in our overall identification, attraction and development of elite talent, there is little doubt that some nations have now caught us, and in some cases passed us, in their successes of developing winning elite hockey programs. Long gone are the days that we could boast of sending any number of teams to any championship who could and would win. Now, it is life and death to even reach the championship game with our best team. With the increased development of the U.S. Finnish, Swedish and Russian programs, soon it will be a challenge to just make the medal round.

Keep in mind that the Hughes brothers are pretty much Canadian products, but yeah Canada should improve. Canada is trending to be just one the of big teams, and that shouldn't be acceptable. Before this decade in probably 9/10 years at the WJC either Canada would win or when you considered the players in the NHL we could conclude that Canada almost certainly would have won had everyone been available. This decade that hasn't been true in several tournaments. Other countries have improved their development and Canada has looked complacent.

Hockey has become so expensive that a lot of lower middle class kids will simply never have the opportunity to play at the competitive levels.

That's certainly one area in which Canada can make many gains. Canada already has massive hockey infrastructure and I'm quite sure that no governing body has as much money as Hockey Canada does, even USA Hockey with its NHL subsidy. Attracting the children of immigrants to hockey would also help.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

I dont think Canada wins this tournament. They are lacking a true #1Dman. That Darnel Nurse , Makar, Chabot, Morrisey, Pietrangelo etc..

Both goals on Dipetro vs Fins for instance was Dman fault.

The shorthanded 4on3 goal was an awful awful play by Bouchard. Its what London Knight fans kept trying to tell everyone last yr. Bouchard is fantastic w. The puck...but lost and lazy without it.

On the 4 on 3 he bobbles the puck and looses it at blue line.. FIn forward w speed is now flying down the wing vs a Forward Tippet. Fin Forward bloes past him, and is 1 on 1 w. Dipietro. Dipietro makes a great cross crease save but Bouchard with a massive laxy backcheck loses his man who scores the tap in on the rebound goal

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Hockey has become so expensive that a lot of lower middle class kids will simply never have the opportunity to play at the competitive levels.

While the changing demographics of Canadian urban centers and the costs associated with playing hockey have impacted the sport's attraction, Canada still has the more registered players than any other country. The problem lies in our existing identification and development program. With such a large pool of talent, we became lazy and allowed other countries to close the gap. It showed last night and over the past 5 to 10 drafts. How we respond to the challenge will determine if Canada retains its dominance.

 

[i am papa bear]

While some countries reward excellence we reward participation.
Sorry, but it’s one of those things that makes us Canadian and why everyone loves us so much.
Enjoy the tournament everyone. Merry Christmas
Go Canada Go

 

[admiralcadillac]

I dont think Canada wins this tournament. They are lacking a true #1Dman. That Darnel Nurse , Makar, Chabot, Morrisey, Pietrangelo etc..

Both goals on Dipetro vs Fins for instance was Dman fault.

The shorthanded 4on3 goal was an awful awful play by Bouchard. Its what London Knight fans kept trying to tell everyone last yr. Bouchard is fantastic w. The puck...but lost and lazy without it.

On the 4 on 3 he bobbles the puck and looses it at blue line.. FIn forward w speed is now flying down the wing vs a Forward Tippet. Fin Forward bloes past him, and is 1 on 1 w. Dipietro. Dipietro makes a great cross crease save but Bouchard with a massive laxy backcheck loses his man who scores the tap in on the rebound goal

Yes because no other d men in any wjc tournaments bobbled pucks

Canada has about 4 guys who are probably top 2 nhl d men on the team at the moment.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

Yes because no other d men in any wjc tournaments bobbled pucks

Canada has about 4 guys who are probably top 2 nhl d men on the team at the moment.

The bobble puck isnt what concerns me. Its the lazy backcheck and lack of defensive awareness on the backcheck by Bouchard.

And i think this is one of the weakest Canada D core in years. Im hoping to be wrong

 

[WeThreeKings]

One of Canada's biggest problems is they've fallen behind the other nations as far as developing goaltenders, and implementing modern goaltending techniques. Carter Hart is the last starting goalie I've had any hope for in net.. before that, I'd be thinking.. what, Carey Price?

 

[admiralcadillac]

One of Canada's biggest problems is they've fallen behind the other nations as far as developing goaltenders, and implementing modern goaltending techniques. Carter Hart is the last starting goalie I've had any hope for in net.. before that, I'd be thinking.. what, Carey Price?

It's not like every team has a goalie that makes the nhl every year

 

[Peasy]

Yes because no other d men in any wjc tournaments bobbled pucks

Canada has about 4 guys who are probably top 2 nhl d men on the team at the moment.

If they are top 2 NHL D men then why are they not with their NHL clubs

 

[king89]

Yes because no other d men in any wjc tournaments bobbled pucks

Canada has about 4 guys who are probably top 2 nhl d men on the team at the moment.

Are you joking? 4 guys? Top 2 NHL d men? On this world junior team?!

 

[WeThreeKings]

It's not like every team has a goalie that makes the nhl every year

No, but as a goalie myself.. It is kind of sad to watch a lot of these kids coming up being schooled in archaic goaltending fundamentals. Canada is lagging behind Europe in goalie development, it's no secret. Even America has done a better job lately.

 

[admiralcadillac]

No, but as a goalie myself.. It is kind of sad to watch a lot of these kids coming up being schooled in archaic goaltending fundamentals. Canada is lagging behind Europe in goalie development, it's no secret. Even America has done a better job lately.

I'm a goalie as well... we tend to forget how many goalies actually make it to the nhl, when we look in hindsight it's easy to agree with you but it's a small population. It takes one or two great goalies and suddenly that balance is restored. Bad periods are normal.

If they are top 2 NHL D men then why are they not with their NHL clubs

You got me there

Are you joking? 4 guys? Top 2 NHL d men? On this world junior team?!

My bad I meant they're all shit, carry on complaining about the team.

 

[DavidLamb]

Kind of interesting that cg98 was criticizing the analysis of "hockeyanalyst99" and you are the one now replying in this manner, particularly given how very similar your posts are to those of "hockeyanalyst99".

YES, I and hockeyanalyst99 are friends. We play hockey together and record junior games in our free time as we learning how to analyze games and come up with ways to run drills to improve skills. You may interpret whichever way you like. We just notice noone is doing analysis, and just write comments. We are just putting out our observation and predict what TC will do, and hopefully put forward some factual observations. Hopefully, we can contribute something to TC. It is fun to write game analysis.

 

[LeafChief]

What's wrong with a lot of you people?

This is Team Canada and you're all making it about your NHL allegiances. The nonsense being spoken about Bouchard in this thread is ridiculous.

 

[Hockey Stick]

I'm just happy to be here

 

[admiralcadillac]

What's wrong with a lot of you people?

This is Team Canada and you're all making it about your NHL allegiances. The nonsense being spoken about Bouchard in this thread is ridiculous.

What do you mean, you people?

Are non leafs fans not good enough for you?

 

[LeafChief]

What do you mean, you people?

Are non leafs fans not good enough for you?

What gave you the impression I wasn't speaking to Leafs fans as well?

The dumping on DiPietro and Scott is just as dumb. We should be cheering for wins.

 

[Peasy]

Anyone have any idea how the TOI has been for forwards?

Wonder what the difference is between the JAD line and Hayton line.

Hayton and Frost were dominate last night.

Would be great to see a Frost-Hayton-Suzuki line.

 

[admiralcadillac]

What gave you the impression I wasn't speaking to Leafs fans as well?

The dumping on DiPietro and Scott is just as dumb. We should be cheering for wins.

I see the sarcasm emoji escaped your leafy eyes

 

[Adtar02]

Keep in mind that the Hughes brothers are pretty much Canadian products, but yeah Canada should improve. Canada is trending to be just one the of big teams, and that shouldn't be acceptable. Before this decade in probably 9/10 years at the WJC either Canada would win or when you considered the players in the NHL we could conclude that Canada almost certainly would have won had everyone been available. This decade that hasn't been true in several tournaments. Other countries have improved their development and Canada has looked complacent.



That's certainly one area in which Canada can make many gains. Canada already has massive hockey infrastructure and I'm quite sure that no governing body has as much money as Hockey Canada does, even USA Hockey with its NHL subsidy. Attracting the children of immigrants to hockey would also help.

How are the Hughes brothers Canadian products

 

[Captain Mountain]

What's wrong with a lot of you people?

This is Team Canada and you're all making it about your NHL allegiances. The nonsense being spoken about Bouchard in this thread is ridiculous.

You make it sound like people on HF boards don't (fairly or unfairly) dump on players that play for their favourite team (NHL or otherwise).

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Dobson has looked very underwhelming thus far.

 

[Dominance]

How are the Hughes brothers Canadian products

Because both spent their major growth years enjoying the coaching, competition, and development opportunities of GTA minor hockey, which are the best in the world.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

From watching the last couple games, it just seems like Canada's forwards are playing careless offense. They're playing like they have stay at home guys sitting in the defensive zone, waiting to break up any oncoming rushes. But instead of stay at home types, Canada brought almost exclusively offensive and puckmoving defensemen, who need the defensive support from their forwards coming back and helping out. Which, again, is not happening. And when it does happen, it's not always so helpful (Tippett and JAD's contributions, for example).

And then we turn around and blame the defense, like it's their fault this is happening. But they were brought to play exactly the way they're playing now. Canada wanted a defense that would push the pace on offense and on the breakout, and that's what they're getting. They were just completely unprepared for what that would mean.

And the goalies... I don't see how you can get a good idea of how the goalies are when everybody is running around like that.

Hunter has got to get these guys thinking about more than getting on the highlight reel. Like, how about possessing and keeping the puck? I was watching the Wings-Leafs game before the CAN-FIN game, and one of the announcers made a comment that the Leafs play like if they don't score right away (like when they're behind), they will lose the game, and how that's something they're learning to get over as a young team. IMO, that's how Canada is playing.

 

[Anichels]

I dont think Canada wins this tournament. They are lacking a true #1Dman. That Darnel Nurse , Makar, Chabot, Morrisey, Pietrangelo etc..

Both goals on Dipetro vs Fins for instance was Dman fault.

The shorthanded 4on3 goal was an awful awful play by Bouchard. Its what London Knight fans kept trying to tell everyone last yr. Bouchard is fantastic w. The puck...but lost and lazy without it.

On the 4 on 3 he bobbles the puck and looses it at blue line.. FIn forward w speed is now flying down the wing vs a Forward Tippet. Fin Forward bloes past him, and is 1 on 1 w. Dipietro. Dipietro makes a great cross crease save but Bouchard with a massive laxy backcheck loses his man who scores the tap in on the rebound goal

I think you're right about Canada not having a true #1 Dman. Bouchard and Smith are undoubtedly our top two puck-moving defensemen, but they have made defensive mistakes that don't instill a lot of confidence against top opponents.

I'm not sold on the idea that we necessarily need a "true #1 Dman" to win gold, but these guys need to start working as a committee to get the results. Because right now, I can see the best 4-5 attacking teams opening up Canada's defense easily like Finland did last night.