Can we beat Tampa?
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Incognito
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Of course we can. You can make a very strong argument that we were the better team in our series against Tampa last year. We lost mostly due to circumstance in the form of bad calls at the worst possible time. This Leafs team is also better than the one last year, while Tampa isn't. Plus, the Bolts have logged a ton of miles thanks to their appearance in the Cup Finals three years in a row. At a certain point, fatigue becomes a major factor.
CabanaBoy5
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You’ve taken the positive stance on Tampa, I like a true Leaf loyalist have taken the positive outlook on the Leafs. I simply stated reasons that the statement that the Leafs have improved leading into the playoffs is a “reach” is false and a negative approach. For balance to your obvious Tampa fawning, I gave you the positives based on the most recent evidence…the regular season. You can’t determine how this iteration of the Leafs will do in the playoffs based on past performance. Maturity, changes, growth, better balance…yeah we can beat TB cause we’re better this season.
Campbell had a great November but had a mediocre to subpar rest of the season. Yes Samsonov is an improvement on him. Nylander hasn’t had good playoffs? You obviously haven’t watched the playoffs. Matthews isn’t scoring at the same pace but his defence is better. Are you sure you’re not a TB fan trolling the Leafs?
keonsbitterness
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Tbh no matter what i say you won't understand, but keep plugging that narrative...it's the refs!!! A goal is reviewed, totally different analogy bud. When high sticks can be reviewed then that would have been caught, before that it's the discretion of the ref as he sees it, and from opposite corner that will always look like a penalty, regardless his stick was out of control...it's risky and he lost....live with it.It’s not high sticking if the stick doesn’t hit their face. That’s like saying it’s a goal when it’s close to being in.
When players play the puck with a high stick, is it a high sticking penalty?
It’s not a penalty to have your stick in the air. Only to hit someone in the face with it in the air, which did not happen.
Hence, phantom high sticking. Let me know if you need help explaining any more rules to you. I’m always here to help people new to the game.
Oh, yeah, you’re right there was a penalty on the play. It’s called embellishment. Do I need to explain that one to you too or have you heard of it before?
Does it help you sleep at night!!!!
If you think the HOLL call was wrong, would you be ok if it was Tampa scoring on a pick play INTERFERENCE? i'm curious...you would be screaming the refs didn't call it....no matter what you always side with Blue even when they're wrong.
i was referring to McDonaugh's impact this season, JBB saw the decline in his game and needed cap to fill out the roster, so he moved him. McDonaugh may not have been the same this year as last year
LOL...so because I'm looking at both teams practically then i'm a Tampa fan...typical Leaf fan wearing Blue Leaf goggles. Every year we sit here and say we are better, we are better, and then the same result and disappointment. Because we overvalue our team and undervalue other teams. I've been burned too many times that i can remember, from the Gilmour years, than the Sundin years, those were proven winners. I have seen nothing since, and this group has YET to show they are an improved PLAYOFF team.
I'm exprressing my opinion, because it's not what you like then i'm not a Leaf fan....hilarious.
For the record, Nylander has shown spurts in the playoffs, but to win a series you need to perform 7 games, and then another 21....to sacrifice and play hard hockey. If you tell me Nylander has played hard playoff hockey then i know you overvalue this entire Leafs team.
Arzak
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You sir should narrate /script this year's playoff intro video.
We also need to avoid losing for any other reason like popcorn hands and stuff.
CabanaBoy5
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You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. After all, when it comes to determining who will win this playoff series that's all we have. But if you're totally unbiased, and you look at the two rosters, everyone with any semblance of hockey knowledge will acknowledge that the Leafs roster is better than Tampa's anywhere but in net. Imo, the only way we lose this series is if Vasi steals the series, or the refs continue to be biased against the Leafs. Tampa was going to lose that series last year if Kampf isn't given that phantom penalty and Kerfoot doesn't take that boneheaded highstick to cause a 5 on 3.
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Divine
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You’re literally here saying it’s a high sticking penalty if you don’t even hit the players face and then claim I’m being biased? Lol.
Learn the rules and then we can debate.
Tampa Bay literally scored both of their goals in game 7 off of intereference. One guy sitting on Kampf for 10 seconds, another guy holding Muzzin and then pulls Muzzins stick out of his hand as Paul skates in.
They scored a goal in game 5 off a blatant interference when their guy hit the shit out of Rielly before McDonagh scored
They got a phantom 5 on 3 in game 6 and scored, it should have been a 2 minute penalty for embellishment instead we get put a man short. Hedman stick lifts the stick into his own face and we get another one. Nylander gets held on a breakaway, Nylander gets tripped late in the game when the leafs are on the PP 1 foot away from the ref and no call. Bunting gets hit in the head in OT in the crease no call, Tampa goes up the ice, interferes on Holl seconds later scores the game winner. Matthews was held on a play for like 30 seconds as well without a call.
We got absolutely f***ed in games 6 and 7 lmao, imagine we could get away with that much crap it would have been a sweep
CantLoseWithMatthews
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Here are the differences so far between now and game 7 last year
Leafs:
Campbell > Samsonov
Mrazek > Murray
Lyubushkin > Liljegren
Muzzin > McCabe
Mikheyev > RoR
Blackwell > Acciari
Spezza > Lafferty
Kase > ZAR
I think it's fair to say the Leafs are substantially better, but we'll see what else they do.
Tampa:
Palat > Jeannot
McDonagh > Cole
Foote > Perbix
Really not much turnover for Tampa but I think it's fair to say they've just downgraded across the board. On the flip side, Hagel and Paul have been more incorporated and look better than past year
Leafs:
Campbell > Samsonov
Mrazek > Murray
Lyubushkin > Liljegren
Muzzin > McCabe
Mikheyev > RoR
Blackwell > Acciari
Spezza > Lafferty
Kase > ZAR
I think it's fair to say the Leafs are substantially better, but we'll see what else they do.
Tampa:
Palat > Jeannot
McDonagh > Cole
Foote > Perbix
Really not much turnover for Tampa but I think it's fair to say they've just downgraded across the board. On the flip side, Hagel and Paul have been more incorporated and look better than past year
Tampa won Game 7 2-1. BOTH of their goals were uncalled pick plays.
Even last year, the Leafs can beat TB, they just need to execute better. That’s why they need someone that is the Excellence of Execution with a killer instinct, wondering if Brett Hart is available. Lol
LOL...You said EVERYONE will say that Tampa only has an edge in net....ya i'm pretty sure EVERYONE will agree with you. You may believe in your mind that our D is better than Tampa's D then you have truly proven your knowledge. Tampa beat Toronto last year in a 7 game series, if you think the refs gave Tampa that series then you're a fool. But go ahead and continue to play that tune.
Ya i can't help you friend. I know the rules, and high sticking is based on what the referee sees, so he was an inch from the guys face, but i'm saying dont put your stick an inch from the face and cry that you got a penalty. There are sticks in guys skates all the time, in there arm pits, if the player falls it's going to be a penalty, if he doesn't then it's not. Every slash on the guys stick should be a penalty, but it's NOT..If you slash a guys stick and it breaks, it's going to be a penalty...if it doesn't chances are it's not..don;t be a dumb ass in Game 7, 200 ft from your net, and put your stick in the guys face, or slash his stick, or whatever.
Divine
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Now here's my question.
How did the referee see him high stick a player when it never happened? Do you mean the referee imagined it?
If it was accurate refereeing, not only would Toronto not be on the penalty kill, but it's a 2 minute embellishment powerplay for Toronto. Correct?
High sticking calls are reviewable if there's blood by the way.
LOL...unbelievable....and then you wonder why we are shit on as a fan base.
Divine
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You're not even a Leafs fan. All of your posts since you made your account were bashing the Leafs. I mean you know you're not a fan when you need a name like LeafLoyalist to pretend to be a fan.
Not sure what you're getting at, but referee sees the stick come up and hits the players helmet/face...to be detailed the video does not prove 100% it didn't hit his face. Call was made, the second with Kerfoot, he nearly decapitated Hedman. in both cases, the responsibility is on the player to be SMART, and don't put your stick in the opponents face 200 ft from your net, if i'm a ref i'm calling them both everytime. If the jersey's were reversed and they DIDN't call them, then you would be sitting here arguing the opposite. The players need to be DISCIPLINED!!!!
Tak7
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You think being realistic is bashing...i've watched more Leafs hockey and cheered for them harder then you have ever...i'm sure of it.
Divine
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Since you're great at playing ref.
Would you call this every time as a ref?
And this is 100% a penalty to you as a ref right?
