Call for sweeping changes?

Yeah, the team was able to drag Brown along last year and still win. Didn't happen this year. You win, you can let it go. You lose, now Brown better get something going next year, because barely 11 goals, a team worst -17, and the worst shooting% since his 1 goal rookie year ain't enough anymore.
 
I'm still not on board with moving Brown regardless. I know I'm in a minority, though.

I think Brown gets too much heat. He's not playing up to his paygrade, but he's doing better than a lot of people give him credit for, imo. I wish Sutter would put him on the 1st line and Williams on the 3rd the last few games but he didn't.

But while we're playing "If I were Dean"
* Resign Toffoli.
* Don't resign Williams or Stoll.
* Try to move Richards. If he can't be moved without having to eat 50% of his contract in cap space, tell him he better come back in Superman shape next year and put him at 4th line.
* Resign Sekera if he can be at a reasonable price. Show him pictures of girls on the beach in bikinis next to pictures of Edmonton in winter.
* Try to resign RR to a short contract at a fair price. He's not a scorer but he brings much needed grit to this team that was obvious when he was out.
* If Voynov's still allowed to play in the NHL, try to move him if we can get a decent deal. If not, keep him but try to shop him around.
* Give Weal and Forbort a shot?
* Tell Kopitar no more babies during the season. :laugh: (kidding)
 
Brown had such a dominant performance when we won the cup in 2012. What happened to the guy? Maybe he blew out his O-ring that year.

I'm guessing probably same as Richards. Lot's of things combined. Plays a physical game and injuries. Also having 4 kids at 29.

He leads this team in hits, but that's the only positive. Still a good player, but definitely not worth his contract.

Dean needs to add an abstinence addendum to every contract.

Absolutely.
 
I was going to make another thread, but I'll just pose this question here:

What would you have considered a season to be satisfied with this year? Because honestly, I don't think anyone would have jumped off a cliff if we made the playoffs by 3-4 points, and had a first or second round exit, which is exactly what would have happened if teh whole Voynov thing didn't bite us in teh ass.

I know this year didn't go the way we wanted, but I mean ****, did anyone REALLY expect 3 cups in 4 years? That kind of dominance hasn't been seen since the best player (arguably) to ever play the game was in his prime.
 
At least Finals. We have Kopitar, Doughty, and Quick; how many other teams have top 5 players at every position? Not to mention Carter, Muzzin and Gaborik.

This season was totally embarassing, but I actually still think we have the best team in the league. Weird **** just happens I guess.

3 cups in 4 years is definitely possible for a team that came back down 0-3 and a bunch of other crazy feats.
 
Lombardi definitely has his ****ing work cut out for him, because there are a ton of holes on this roster.
 
Lombardi definitely has his ****ing work cut out for him, because there are a ton of holes on this roster.

Really? Elaborate. What exactly is the problem?

I disagree entirely, I don't think we're THAT far off. I think we have a drastic need for (preferably) a winger for Gaborik and Kopitar if it's not going to be Brown, and if it is we need a 3RW. We desperately need a 3C. Depending on what shakes out with Sekera AND Voynov, we'd DESPERATELY need a 3D. That's it, imo, and everything else will be filled internally, and I'm not so sure that these holes can't be.

Edit: unless you mean 'holes' as in guys like Stoll who need to be put out to pasture.
 
Really? Elaborate. What exactly is the problem?

I disagree entirely, I don't think we're THAT far off. I think we have a drastic need for (preferably) a winger for Gaborik and Kopitar if it's not going to be Brown, and if it is we need a 3RW. We desperately need a 3C. Depending on what shakes out with Sekera AND Voynov, we'd DESPERATELY need a 3D. That's it, imo, and everything else will be filled internally, and I'm not so sure that these holes can't be.

Edit: unless you mean 'holes' as in guys like Stoll who need to be put out to pasture.

Lets just say that if this year is a glimpse of our top guys beginning to decline, we're ****ed. I just hope that they need a good rest and a refill of that hunger they seemed to be missing this year. Defense and 3C should be a top priority, obviously. We're gonna need someone to fill the shoes of Brown, Williams, Richards, Stoll, Voynov (unless found innocent or Sekera stays), and Greene.

I'm hoping that missing the playoffs this year will upset the group and make them hungrier next year. The whole group definitely needs some time to recooperate...
 
It would be cool if a kid like Brian O'Neil made the jump...but he is already 26.

The sad thing is the only kids that are NHL ready are Shore and Andreoff, and they are already with the big club and haven't proven much...Weal is the next in line but he is behind those kids in the deepest forward position the Kings have...center.
 
What would you have considered a season to be satisfied with this year? Because honestly, I don't think anyone would have jumped off a cliff if we made the playoffs by 3-4 points, and had a first or second round exit, which is exactly what would have happened if teh whole Voynov thing didn't bite us in teh ass.

I know this year didn't go the way we wanted, but I mean ****, did anyone REALLY expect 3 cups in 4 years? That kind of dominance hasn't been seen since the best player (arguably) to ever play the game was in his prime.

It's definitely an odd year. The Cup wins change the definition of satisfaction. There was just not quite enough in any aspect of the team to get to the playoffs. Everything was just a bit off. Kopitar with one fewer shot per game than he usually gets. Quick not coming up with that one Quick-esque save as often as previous years. An unforeseen, non-hockey suspension. They never played a single game with a full lineup. We have no way of knowing if fatigue or motivation played any part in the weird season. Going through what they've done in the previous 3 years, last year especially, and then having to come back for another 82 game, 6 month grind. In games that have nowhere near the energy level of an 0-3 comeback, 3 road Game 7's, one of the best series in recent history against a team that made them look silly more than once in Chicago, and then another Cup victory, this one in double OT. Maybe it's tough to get up for games after that, and when you need that energy at the end of the season, it's just not there.

The only thing the Kings had to play for was the Cup though. There's no loud cheering if they made the playoffs. Win a round? Been there, done that. I can clearly remember when even that seemed like an insurmountable mountain. That's just as a fan. If they had won a round this year, it would've been ok, that's great, now what? After what they've done recently, a series win isn't all that impressive. What are they going to do? Come back from down 5-0 in every game? What else could they do?

All that mattered was the Cup, but you couldn't really expect them to do it again. It's a weird place.
 
Kings need more speed...speed....and speed. Just looked awful out there the last few games and really slow. Stoll used to have great wheels but he's slowed down some. Same with Williams.

Need to retool the roster Deano and have a sitdown with Sutter over his questionable decisions over the course of the season.

That being said, I'd be very surprised to see Dean blow it up.
 
It's definitely an odd year. The Cup wins change the definition of satisfaction. There was just not quite enough in any aspect of the team to get to the playoffs. Everything was just a bit off. Kopitar with one fewer shot per game than he usually gets. Quick not coming up with that one Quick-esque save as often as previous years. An unforeseen, non-hockey suspension. They never played a single game with a full lineup. We have no way of knowing if fatigue or motivation played any part in the weird season. Going through what they've done in the previous 3 years, last year especially, and then having to come back for another 82 game, 6 month grind. In games that have nowhere near the energy level of an 0-3 comeback, 3 road Game 7's, one of the best series in recent history against a team that made them look silly more than once in Chicago, and then another Cup victory, this one in double OT. Maybe it's tough to get up for games after that, and when you need that energy at the end of the season, it's just not there.

The only thing the Kings had to play for was the Cup though. There's no loud cheering if they made the playoffs. Win a round? Been there, done that. I can clearly remember when even that seemed like an insurmountable mountain. That's just as a fan. If they had won a round this year, it would've been ok, that's great, now what? After what they've done recently, a series win isn't all that impressive. What are they going to do? Come back from down 5-0 in every game? What else could they do?

All that mattered was the Cup, but you couldn't really expect them to do it again. It's a weird place.

This is all very true. The fan in me wants a cup every year. The realist says that's not really possible. I guess we'll see what this core has left in the tank. I'd really love to win the lottery though just to see every genius' head that's celebrating on the main board explode.
 
This is all very true. The fan in me wants a cup every year. The realist says that's not really possible. I guess we'll see what this core has left in the tank. I'd really love to win the lottery though just to see every genius' head that's celebrating on the main board explode.

I'm not even mad, I'm depressed and gutted, but I can't be mad after the run this team gave us. And I don't think it's over either. Not with this core. I started watching the Kings the year they lost to Montreal and there haven't been many bright spots along the way. I couldn't even imagine they would be here during the mid-2000s (some of the worst hockey I have ever seen). This team made me believe anything is possible over the course of their two runs. That's why it was so difficult for me to give up this year. Really painful right now. I feel bad for everyone in that room - especially Doughty. You could see it through his body language at the end of the game. Poor guy.
 
This is all very true. The fan in me wants a cup every year. The realist says that's not really possible. I guess we'll see what this core has left in the tank. I'd really love to win the lottery though just to see every genius' head that's celebrating on the main board explode.

They are celebrating because whether they know it or not, they respect the Kings deeply.
 
I was going to make another thread, but I'll just pose this question here:

What would you have considered a season to be satisfied with this year? Because honestly, I don't think anyone would have jumped off a cliff if we made the playoffs by 3-4 points, and had a first or second round exit, which is exactly what would have happened if teh whole Voynov thing didn't bite us in teh ass.

I know this year didn't go the way we wanted, but I mean ****, did anyone REALLY expect 3 cups in 4 years? That kind of dominance hasn't been seen since the best player (arguably) to ever play the game was in his prime.

I'd say at the very least make the playoffs. The Voynov thing was the biggest monkey wrench this season and, ya, if that didn't happen the difference likely should've been enough to get us at least into the playoffs, if not a high seed. But other teams faced adversity too and seemed to respond better than we did. What good is all that locker room leadership if it ceases to help the team respond to adversity and come out on top most of the time? How often did it look like a lot of guys didn't give a full effort or made stupid mental mistakes? How often did they not play a full 60 minutes? Sutter alluded to some guys just riding along or living in the past earlier this season. Where was that leadership then? Calgary lost their best defenseman for the season and since then they went like 12-6-3 and just eliminated us from the playoffs.

I definitely didn't expect 3 cups in 4 years. I think someone would be really unfair to expect that. I don't even expect them to win it next year. But I also don't expect a team that just won the cup to be eliminated from the playoffs when the team stayed pretty well intact. I also think it's reasonable to expect a team of professionals making a lot of money to play like they give a damn for a full 60 minutes. I'm ok with losing, even losing a lot. I'm not ok with a subpar effort and it sure looked like we saw that quite a bit.

It's not necessary to blow up the team, but it's time to let some of that locker room leadership go and add a few more younger, faster, hungrier players. The team is still good and the core is still plenty capable of contending, but not if they don't retool and let some guys go. It sucks but it has to happen to stay competitive.
 
My girlfriend has discovered a pattern for the Kings' failures, and it falls on odd years (she's :loony:).

2013 Conference Finals: Voynov pinches in OT, Patrick Kane scores the game winner, Kings are eliminated.

2014-15 Season: Kings were 4-1-1 at the start of the season, then we know what happened.

Conclusion: Voynov to blame. :cry:

Cup win next year.
 
Kings in 6 over the Islanders. Ranger fans become our buddies.

Oh who am I kidding? Rangers would never get off their high horse.
 
Really? Elaborate. What exactly is the problem?

I disagree entirely, I don't think we're THAT far off. I think we have a drastic need for (preferably) a winger for Gaborik and Kopitar if it's not going to be Brown, and if it is we need a 3RW. We desperately need a 3C. Depending on what shakes out with Sekera AND Voynov, we'd DESPERATELY need a 3D. That's it, imo, and everything else will be filled internally, and I'm not so sure that these holes can't be.

Edit: unless you mean 'holes' as in guys like Stoll who need to be put out to pasture.

You don't think needing a winger for Gaborik and Kopitar and a 3c along with the uncertainty of Sekera and Voynov is a lot of holes to fill? I do. If the Kings enter next season with no Voynov and no Sekera who could they move to fill either of the forward needs you mentioned? Also if there was room in the salary cap maybe these problems would not seem so bad. But with no money and no one to trade how do you take care of your needs?
 
Rangers fans are pathetic - don't even bother. It's like talking to a brick wall. Who holds grudges.

We told them we'd beat them with confidence last year. We did. Their psyches couldn't handle it, and the result is what you see right now. 11 months of bizarro world frustration let out in one stinking heap.
 
As far as re-tooling, roster moves,

They are going to be very limited in what they can do,

I believe they let Williams and Stoll both walk.

They give Brown the chance to reclaim #1 line status, if not, they bring in someone at the deadline.

Depending on who is out there for 3C, (Quick look, I only see three Free agents, Santorelli, Soderberg, and I forget the 3rd name) I believe they give it to Shore/Andreoff and roll with them as #3/#4 centers, they need to play to develop, and they have both shown signs of talent.

As far as defense, Sekera needs to be re-signed, Regehyr, I do on a one, possibly 2 year deal, and only at the right price,

You roll with the following,

Brown - Kopitar - Gaborik
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
King - Shore - Lewis
Clifford - Andreoff - Nolan

Doughty - Muzzin
Martinez - McNabb
Sekera - Greene/Regehr

Quick
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