Are we losing because helly has been bad? With the talent on this team we need more than 2 goals. So Helly is one of the reasons not the only reason. That is self corrective, the other problems may cost us future games so ppl are pointing to them as ongoing problems.
Post-Game Talk: Cali nightmares Jets lose 4-3
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Hey, we all discuss what is on our minds - I'm just pointing out that some if it has nothing to do with the results in the game we just watched.
And some appear to be saying it does -
I have no problem with a bitch session if others have no problem with me calling it out
Disagree. Perfetti will never be the physical bottom 6 grinder but he has looked very good. Swap him with Copp so he can play his traditional top 6 role and you’d see fireworks.These are my thoughts.
Back to back games of giving up 2 PP goals, something is wrong. Fans lamented guys like Thompson, Lewis and Forbort last year, but hey you don't give up PP goals, you have a chance to win. So for me it starts there on this road trip.
I am not sure why Pionk is on the PK. Every metric, every year has said that he is not good at it, but lo and behold there he was on 2 goals. I think Stanley showed last year he belonged, so with a man in the box there is still no reason to use Pionk in this aspect. That's a peculiar coaching decision.
The PP is not clicking. I didn't like Wheeler out on the flank in Connor's spot, takes away the danger from the one-timers. He should be behind the net, and around the crease, making passes, acoring garbage goals as his speed wanes.
The most obvious thing to point out is how out of place Perfetti looks. He's not hard on the puck, and he is not winning enough battles. He looks unprepared for the big show, when you compare to other young guys that have made it. Right away moving Harkins up the lineup pays dividends. If you went by preseason that's where Harkins belonged. So I hope that change is permanent. I don't expect Perfetti to be in the lineup for Minnesota. And frankly if you want to not play Lowry-Copp until they can't move, maybe call up that Gustafsson kid, who is pretty good at killing penalties, you'd have a legit 2nd unit then.
I am a little concerned with the Brendan Dillon trade to date. He hits, but he looks like an over 30 d-man out there, who much like Forbort does not move the puck well. Going for the big hit gave up the 3-2 goal, and if he wore the name Beaulieu on the back of his sweater, you'd read 7 pages about it. I'd be looking to move big Stan up the lineup soon.
I don't expect slow starts from the Jets, but something looks disjointed. Hellebuyck giving up soft 1st goals is concerning. Wheeler's regression, though overstated, is concerning. Bad penalties are concerning. The defensive zone coverage is concerning. Special teams play is definitely a concern. The sky doesn't fall unless the homestand looks the same as the road trip, but I expect a little more dominance out of this roster. Hopefully it is something that can be had through in team adjustments, because the results are obviously disappointing to date.
The tank and fire Maurice threads are probably nearing their approach
I think line chemistry is a major issue right now. We have separated two players who have historically played very well together in a suppression role in Lowry and Copp and imo neither player has gotten off to a particularly great start playing with their new line mates. Copp just can't keep up with PLD and Ehlers and neither need him to play defense on that line. What that line is missing is a link up man or shooter.
Lowry is trying to play his typical grinding game with two players who don't grind and are looking to make plays in Cole and Paul. It just isn't a fit either.
Our top line just can't hard match any longer. Even with an improved dcore none of the three are good enough defensively nor are any of the three good enough drivers either. It just isn't balanced any longer.
Our d pairings though have been pretty balanced even if they still have some chemistry to build.
I think this team needs to get back to combos that work in roles that we know they can do:
Stastny Scheifele Ehlers
Conners Dubois Wheeler
Copp Lowry Harkins
Ves Nash Svech
Get Cole to the AHL as it is apparent Moe barely trusts him and he needs minutes.
Lowry is trying to play his typical grinding game with two players who don't grind and are looking to make plays in Cole and Paul. It just isn't a fit either.
Our top line just can't hard match any longer. Even with an improved dcore none of the three are good enough defensively nor are any of the three good enough drivers either. It just isn't balanced any longer.
Our d pairings though have been pretty balanced even if they still have some chemistry to build.
I think this team needs to get back to combos that work in roles that we know they can do:
Stastny Scheifele Ehlers
Conners Dubois Wheeler
Copp Lowry Harkins
Ves Nash Svech
Get Cole to the AHL as it is apparent Moe barely trusts him and he needs minutes.
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Let everyone have their opinion.Hey, we all discuss what is on our minds - I'm just pointing out that some if it has nothing to do with the results in the game we just watched.
And some appear to be saying it does -
I have no problem with a bitch session if others have no problem with me calling it out
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Probably not - but that wasn't what I or anyone else was discussing
His play did not hurt our chance at winning tonight - that's all I'm saying
If we want to discuss who plays up to their contract, that's anther long thread.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the results? That’s going too far in the opposite direction. He didn’t cost us the game but he didn’t heavy weigh it in our favour despite getting lots of minutes and being our top paid guy.Hey, we all discuss what is on our minds - I'm just pointing out that some if it has nothing to do with the results in the game we just watched.
And some appear to be saying it does -
I have no problem with a bitch session if others have no problem with me calling it out
TEH FIRST NOEL
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much obliged for this post, mr holms!
what seems to be not brought forth into convo is the attempt to exercise reasoning in subjective content. specifically, different people can watch the same game and have extremely different opinions of the contents pertaining to the game. the defining factor is to exercise objectivity and reasoning while forming an assessment as one evaluates not only the game, but also his/her attempts of forming an assessment
some people watch wheeler this game and express opinions; other people watch him and convey other (and, maybe, same and/or similar) opinions
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IMO, he is not why we lost -
If you would rather Mo reduces his minutes, I'm also fine with that
But that wasn't what was being discussed.
I think kfc is doing a very good driving play and if wheeler and schief could finish things would be different.
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Wheeler’s play did hurt our chances of winning tonight. He is playing more than any other player and not producing.
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that's fine but there is a difference in saying he wasn't the reason we lost and he wasn't the reason we lost so why even talk about it?Hey, we all discuss what is on our minds - I'm just pointing out that some if it has nothing to do with the results in the game we just watched.
And some appear to be saying it does -
I have no problem with a bitch session if others have no problem with me calling it out
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Ehlers doesn't play the corners, so you are making Dubois do a lot of heavy lifting to make that line work. I'd demote Copp to promote Stastny, Stastny-Dubois-Ehlers, Harkins-Lowry-Copp has some familiarity. I don't see enough out of Perfetti to keep him in the lineup, especially on a team that is losing the special teams battles, that he is not factoring into. For me that would be a waste of his ELC at this point. He looks extremely tentative to me, and that's got nothing to do with his linemates.
Yep a player in his position can not be a net zero. He didn’t cost, but he needs to give us a chance to win.
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Bottom line as has been in the past if Bucky doesn't play lights out the chances of winning, an average Bucky rarely gets it done
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Man - that's a stretch. Most players on the team hurt our chances of winning tonight.
Wheels is the whipping boy -
Not worth debating
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yeah, were losing the special team battles so instead of trying something new with it, lets just send someone down that could help us improve in that area
I would say the lines performance as our premier offensive line not being able to put up more then 3 shots on target in all of the minutes they got most certainly hurt the teams chances to win. Its hard to win when you number 1 line is contained offensively, especially with how much they bleed defensively.
We can agree to disagree. Yes I see Dubois as a guy who should do the heavy lifting. You don’t need two grinders. You can have 2 skill guys and one grinder. Perfetti should be on pp instead of 2 d on second unit.
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Not playing well (not true IMO)
Fking up our PK (he didn't)
Too many minutes (blame Mo)
TEH FIRST NOEL
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if you permit me to say so, well said, sir!
he indeed has seemingly been covering the jets' holes in more ways than one. if his play drops, that exposes more of the problems that his play (somewhat) hides.
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who called him out for f***ing up our pk? people don't want him on it because it's too many mins which we blame pomo for...
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