Post-Game Talk: Cali nightmares Jets lose 4-3

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gojetsgo

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The Jets did not get scored on while he was on the PK and even generated a scoring chance.

For some on this board it is more important to critisize/hate on Wheeler than actually fairly analyze the game. Like how everyone was shitting on him for the bad PK in the GDT.

The Wheeler discourse here is making this board impossible to read, a good chunk of posters in the fanbase are just looking to come for him regardless of how he actually plays (like everyone shitting on him for being on the PK when his unit didn't concede a goal).

He had a decent game tonight, was not at fault for any of the goals yet some here want to make him wear the goat horns because is suits a narrative.
I'm not giving him goat horns, I thought he started the game strong. the reason I don't want him on the pk because pomo overplays him as it is
 

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Dubois' thought with those plays is to take defenders to him so as to open up the slot, but none of our guys ever go there because... I don't know? Scared to get hit I guess? He's subsequently left on an island to die, and yeah, gets stripped of the puck because he isn't getting any support and no one is going to the open areas. I find that infuriating.

I've been trying to figure out what Maurice's offensive scheme is and looking at the game tonight... I have no f'n clue what it is supposed to be. I don't think there is one.

Yup Dubois is taking the puck deep to try to open things up but yeah our players don't go to the red paint. I have no idea why anyone is complaining about his game. He was in the red paint all night battling and that is exactly what we need more of in the top 6.
 

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According to a chunk of Jets fans:

The bad PP is Wheeler's fault

Bad 5 on 5 play is Wheeler's fault

Bad PK is Wheeler's fault

The bad culture in the Jets is Wheeler's fault

Bad leadership is Wheeler's fault

Bad coaching is Wheeler's fault because somehow Wheeler is forcing Maurice to coach a certain way and set the lines up a certain way

I don't even know if you guys hear yourself on how deranged that sounds. I am not just talking about HFJets but twitter as well

I am sure some of you will be blaming Wheeler for the bad weather when the first snowstorm hits

I'm not much for social media, but twitter might be one of the last places I go looking for valuable hockey insight.
 

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IMO Wheeler is still a solid player and an important leader on the team who is just being overused. He’s still a good playmaker on the PP but we have our PP set up so that he’s the trigger man. That’s coaching and not on him.

He struggles to drive offence by himself now and doesn’t have the speed he once had. His physical game has clearly taken a step back as well as his defensive game and he’s probably a better complementary second line-type player who is being force fed too many minutes. That’s not his fault.

Wheeler has declined from his 90+ point prime and he’s paid too much but he catches too much shit IMO.
 

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I will not lump it all on Wheeler but he cannot give this team top line minutes any longer, he is regressing both in skill and stamina on the ice and the faster the coaching staff realizes this the better off the lineup with be. Who can replace him without putting all your better players on one line that's the big question
 

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The Jets did not get scored on while he was on the PK and even generated a scoring chance.

For some on this board it is more important to critisize/hate on Wheeler than actually fairly analyze the game. Like how everyone was shitting on him for the bad PK in the GDT.

The Wheeler discourse here is making this board impossible to read, a good chunk of posters in the fanbase are just looking to come for him regardless of how he actually plays (like everyone shitting on him for being on the PK when his unit didn't concede a goal).

He had a decent game tonight, was not at fault for any of the goals yet some here want to make him wear the goat horns because is suits a narrative.

eh, opinions that differ and, even, disagree with the opinion that you are sharing are not necessarily as you write. what you wrote is a major distortion of the views that people are conveying about wheeler, which is a strawman fallacy.

criticism and hate are not the same. moreover, they are different. for the most part, the posts about wheeler are not expressing "hate," but criticism.

you seem to be opposed to people expressing on this forum opinions of wheeler that differs from yours, which is extremely arbitrary.
 

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I'm sure that is more covid related than anything else
COVID is a factor for sure….but many long term ST (myself included) are tired of the TNSE sense of entitlement and disregard for paying fans. I think they forget that it is Winnipeg, and there is not a bottomless pit of fans. As a ST from day one, this organization has never made me feel valued as a customer. It is a business (as all pro sports are), and after this year my entertainment $ are going elsewhere. Not looking forward to the home opener…the environment has significantly deteriorated over the years and this team has played poorly at home the last few years. Hoping the team shows up to play a full 60 Thursday as they do have some talent….not expecting much from TNSE.
 
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Preaching to the choir, but putting Copp on a line that's expected to defend rather than score and putting Perfetti on a line that's expected to score rather than defend would yield better results. Don't understand why Maurice always wants players to play to their weaknesses.
 

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IMO Wheeler is still a solid player and an important leader on the team who is just being overused. He’s still a good playmaker on the PP but we have our PP set up so that he’s the trigger man. That’s coaching and not on him.

He struggles to drive offence by himself now and doesn’t have the speed he once had. His physical game has clearly taken a step back as well as his defensive game and he’s probably a better complementary second line-type player who is being force fed too many minutes. That’s not his fault.

Wheeler has declined from his 90+ point prime and he’s paid too much but he catches too much shit IMO.
Yep. It also doesn’t help playing him more minutes on the pk, but that’s on Maurice too not on him. He’s fine on pk but too many minutes. But all the shit aimed at him is what you elegantly pointed out. People aren’t mad at him they are upset with how Maurice uses him.
 

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0-6 since the Edmonton sweep.

Nice to see pld get a goal. First one since April. Had a good first period and then kinda vanished.
 
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Other than the turnovers and poor Dzoen coverage . . . .

Top 6 looked gassed in the 2nd/3rd - and that doesn't make any sense.
I didn't see much zip from any of them including Ehlers who is usually buzzing - I didn't see a single zone entry in the third.

Pionk and Dillan were all over the place - and rarely in position. They were caught chasing several times in their own end.

I thought Wheeler looked fine - he was moving his feet and making plays. But he is not a shooter on the PP so get him off that half wall.

PLD has a lot of trouble driving his line - he needs to sit down with his wingers and figure out a zone entry plan. They do not work well together - they don't seem to anticipate one anther at all.

Scheif and KC were slow tonight - or slower than normal. Same with Ehlers. And that makes up most of our speed.

I wouldn't blame any of this loss on Helle - the net front coverage was non existent - D were running around - forward were late to the party.

SJ has a lot more speed than they have had in the past - either that or we were just that slow.

Work on special teams, gets some rest, and play 3 periods
 
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eh, opinions that differ and, even, disagree with the opinion that you are sharing are not necessarily as you write. what you wrote is a major distortion of the views that people are conveying about wheeler, which is a strawman fallacy.

criticism and hate are not the same. moreover, they are different. for the most part, the posts about wheeler are not expressing "hate," but criticism.

you seem to be opposed to people expressing on this forum opinions of wheeler that differs from yours, which is extremely arbitrary.

I am not saying that at all. Critiquing the Jets and the players is literally the point of this board. My point is that we seem to have reached a point where it doesn't seem to matter what Wheeler does on the ice, there are many who seem set on dumping on him. Him being a lightning rod in tonight's game being the perfect example.
 
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