Prospect Info: Calgary Wranglers and Prospect Discussion Megathread

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That is not what I said... I said Kylington and Ruzicka's paths were very much sheer luck considering how the organization dicked them around.

No, Mangiapane and Ruzicka have not been all that similar. Ruzicka saw regular health scratches despite some good stretch of play last year and started this year as such too. He was given virtually no rope to play through his ups and downs. Mangiapane in comparison was either playing in the NHL or AHL and was given the opportunity to work through his flaws.

The best players in the AHL aren't NHL calibre? Says who? Matthew Phillips has been one of the best players in the AHL and for our farm team while being in his early 20s, I don't see the comparison between him and journeymen who are in their late 20s and early 30s.

As for your third point, this team ran a Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway line as its 4th line at one point and it was just fine. Putting Lucic-Zary-Phillips or Pelletier-Zary-Ritchie together as a 4th line would not be the end of the world.
…and I’m pointing out that the organization that’s turning into one of the better ones in the league at creating quality players from mid-round picks probably knows what they’re doing more than us sitting on our couches with no idea what happens behind closed doors. They’ve went that route with two players and it has paid off in spades. Care to give examples of players who have received that treatment and fell off completely? People look at getting scratched like they’re sitting around in the stands eating hot dogs instead of improving. Ruzicka and Kylington were getting time practicing against NHLers under direct supervision from our coaching staff. They both came back looking better than ever.

…it’s pretty common knowledge the leaders are usually mid to late 20s AHL journeymen? The league leader put up 101 points in 70 games and has 4 NHL games under his belt at 28. For example, take last season. Do you know how many of the top 20 scorers in the AHL are up with their teams this season? It’s 6. Of those 6, only 2 are above the age of 22. So unless you’re still very young with plenty of natural progression left, the top of the AHL still doesn’t mean NHL caliber.

Regardless, it’s obvious neither of us are changing eachothers opinions on anything. No point flooding the pages arguing for nothing.
 
I legit hope to see this as our line next year minimum:

Huberdeau-Kadri-Mangiapane
Ruzicka-Lindholm-Toffoli
Coleman-Backlund-Schwindt
Pelletier-Dube-Coronato

Schwindt I think can be an effective defensive forward playing with Backlund and Coleman. The 4th line is going to be more of an offensive fourth line used in sheltered situations. Lindholm and Ruzicka have both shown they can handle more defensive assignments, so let them handle the 2nd most after the Backlund line.

Hanifin-Andersson
Kylington-Tanev
Zadorov-Weegar

Self explanatory.
 
Lets face it.. the Flames will have to have an unprecedented rash of injuries all at the same time before Phillips, Zary, and Pelletier get a chance to play with the club and even then they will most likely play on the 4th line for 8 minutes a night with Lucic, Rooney, Lewis or Ritchie.
 
Wranglers take a back and forth affair against the Coachella Valley Firebirds 5-3. Kuznetsov had a real nice game, 2A and a bomb of a game winner. Another two point game for Phillips and Pelletier ho hum. Wolf wasn't at his best but really only 1 goal you could put on him. Poirier is looking great, love his skating and hands. Zohorna was also very strong, wouldn't be surprised if he was the 1st callup this year. Centering Phillips and Pelletier right now.


I’m personally extremely excited for Zary. Really goes to show how an injury can encumber a player even after being ‘recovered’ by pro standards. Most guys from his draft are playing their rookie season in the AHL this year, and he is flourishing right now.

Was the player I wanted at #19 so I was stoked to get him at #24. Well really I was hoping one of Holloway, Mercer, or Jarvis would drop but wasn't meant to be. Another Treliving pick with great hands and high hockey IQ.

The production is definitely looking much better this season but there's still a lot of Junior mindset in his game. Tonight he had a brutal giveaway at the offensive blueline trying to dangle his way in when there were better options which gave Wright a breakaway goal. I know a lot of fans saw his preseason as a sign he's close but I just think there's more polish and consistency needed compared to Pelletier.
 
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Wranglers are 7-0-1 in their last 8 games, and are now nipping at the heels of Colorado for 1st place in the division again. Impressive turn around after a poor start.

Only way Petterson sees the NHL is if half of the big club and the Wranglers are not able to dress.
 
Anything is possible, in this life.
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Matthew Phillips leads the AHL in goals scored. Too bad there's no room for him with the Flames.
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Wranglers lose a tough one 4-3 in regulation. CV scored on a no chance redirection with 6 seconds left. Wright beat Wolf cleanly twice from the slot, that kid can shoot. The other goal I don't think should have counted as Wolf was pushed into his own net but AHL doesn't do goal reviews apparently.

Emilio had two goals both primary assists to Poirier I believe. Pelletier had the other assisted on a nice skill play and burst of speed by Phillips. Not much doubt in my mind Poirier will be an NHLer someday. Terrific athlete loaded with talent. No idea why he's not running the top PP.

Wranglers take on the Abbotsford Canucks at the dome tomorrow at 1pm.
 
We could totally be running a regular call up show on the 4th line and have Rooney and Lucic sitting every other game. Phillips, Zary, Jones, Pelletier, Zohorna, Schwindt.................all guys that could be getting some games in.
 
Wranglers dominate the Abbotsford Canucks in their matinee game 5-1. Outshot them 39-26. Game got pretty chippy, they face them again Sunday.

Phillips with 2 goals and an assist. Duehr had a cpl goals too. Pelletier keeps his point streak going with a goal and has 15pts his last 9 games. Poirier had another point and leads all rookie AHL dmen in points.
 
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Wranglers dominate the Abbotsford Canucks in their matinee game 5-1. Outshot them 39-26. Game got pretty chippy, they face them again Sunday.

Phillips with 2 goals and an assist. Duehr had a cpl goals too. Pelletier keeps his point streak going with a goal and has 15pts his last 8 games. Poirier had another point and leads all rookie AHL dmen in points.
Darryl Sutter: ‘so what?’
 


Another multi point game for Poirier, Pelletier, and Phillips. Phillips 3pts takes back the AHL scoring lead with 26pts in 18 games, and is also leading the AHL in goals with 13.

Schwindt was scratched and there was some speculation he might be getting called up.
 
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Good to see all the Flames top prospects dominating lately. Pelletier has 21 points in his last 14 games (his first 4 being pointless), Phillips leads the AHL in goals and overall points, Zary is a PPG player and even Jeremie Poirier is creeping closer to be a PPG player as well. Coronato with 12 points in 9 games for Harvard.

I know everyone is bitching about not calling anyone up (maybe rightfully so), but at least most of the guys who should be producing are producing like they should be. To me that's a win, if they can all keep it up (3 point per game forwards) at least 1 guy HAS to be called up sometime this year.
 
Probably not sadly. And it's not that he's not good enough at hockey. Just for his size he needs jump off the page production to get there, which I'm not sure he'll be able to achieve.
That's a bummer, if so. He was bumped down the lines last season in order to fix his defensive game, and is now team-leading + 7 with 10 points in 14 games, 8 of which is even play. Don't think he gets much PP time with Phillips and the other guys doing so well? Compared to Phillips + 4 and 11 even play points in 18 games he is doing as good as they could hope for? Phillips got a game last season at least, and Pettersen is at least bigger than him. Phillips jumps off the page, but that is mostly the PP. Depeneding on what Flames need, but Pettersen can at least play a role in the bottom six. He is in his last contract year, and if they want something back for him in a trade they should at least try him out if just for the CV and trade-value?
 
That's a bummer, if so. He was bumped down the lines last season in order to fix his defensive game, and is now team-leading + 7 with 10 points in 14 games, 8 of which is even play. Don't think he gets much PP time with Phillips and the other guys doing so well? Compared to Phillips + 4 and 11 even play points in 18 games he is doing as good as they could hope for? Phillips got a game last season at least, and Pettersen is at least bigger than him. Phillips jumps off the page, but that is mostly the PP. Depeneding on what Flames need, but Pettersen can at least play a role in the bottom six. He is in his last contract year, and if they want something back for him in a trade they should at least try him out if just for the CV and trade-value?

The 2nd PP unit goes through him and Poirier. Not sure ultimately where he'll end up, I'd certainly like to see him re-signed. Personal favourite of mine, great hands, great speed, deceptively accurate and hard shot, a real smart solid player. Been a big part of Zary's success this season so far IMO.

Maybe if ever the Flames decide to finally graduate some of these players he can get more opportunity and that production will start to jump. Really depends if he wants to stick around NA, because I'm fairly sure he could go earn more money in Switzerland or Sweden next year if he wanted to. I don't want to say he'll never make it or he's got no chance or whatever but as a tweener it's a combination of luck/circumstances/pushing at the right time etc. For him to make the Flames, well that would require a lot of roster overhaul and a willingness to give some guys a chance.
 





Dominating win over San Diego after a 4 day lay off for the Wranglers. Another multi point game for Phillips, Pelletier, Zary, and Zohorna. Posipisil chipped in his first two goals of the year, good to see him get on the board. Teams play again tomorrow.
 





Dominating win over San Diego after a 4 day lay off for the Wranglers. Another multi point game for Phillips, Pelletier, Zary, and Zohorna. Posipisil chipped in his first two goals of the year, good to see him get on the board. Teams play again tomorrow.

Sad that phillips will play out his last contract year ripping up the AHL, then will sign somewhere else. No way he comes back to Calgary, and with our record of prospects that dont get chances, my guess is he will thrive somewhere else and get NHL minutes

Edit: NVM I guess he will still be a RFA, but im sure he will do everything in his power to play somewhere else
 

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