Ledge And Dairy
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Speaking from experience, most people aren't a fan until he plays for you. He's such a genuine guy off the ice and a great team leader
Value of: Calgary Contracts (Gaudreau, Tkachuk etc)
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dracom
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only issue is his NTC really, but he did play in LA for a season so maybe he approves a deal to Anaheim
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I think he liked living in socal… and would prob love to play that des role in a young line up
Everyone projecting Johnny under 10m in here.. I gotta think a team would give him 10+ on the open market.
Agreed. He is not that different from Panarin and you could probably argue he has better stats than Panarin did when he got UFA'd to NYR.
Ledge And Dairy
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Yes but only at 7 years. 8th year makes a big difference in negotiations
SeanMoneyHands
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I don't think Gaudreau resigns with the Flames. It would have already happened. The flames can't afford him.
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The valuations for Tkachuk and Gaudreau seem wildly optimistic.
Brady Tkachuk just signed for $8.3 coming off 36 points in 56 games. The Tkachuk family and Matthew himself through his past actions and words to the media have shown that they aren't willing to leave a single dollar on the table.
Tkachuk is currently sitting 7th in league scoring. That's higher than guys like Marner (10.9), Matthews (11.6) , and Panarin(11.6) when they signed their contracts.
I think its very likely Matthew secures himself something that starts with an 11.
Gaudreau on the other hand has been quiet about contracts, but he wasn't an easy sign on his last deal either. He's sitting 4th in scoring. Maybe people will try to use Barkov as the comp but keep in mind that Barkov at $10 in Florida will take home an extra $1 million after tax each season compared to a $10 million salary in Calgary.
I think Gaudreau starts with an $11 as well, if he takes a discount I think he'll be at least $10.5 million.
If the Flames sign both of these players, Mangiapane and Kylington are likely gone.
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Ottawa is already at the cap floor. Seattle is $4 million away.
Half the teams in the league are completely capped out. Vegas is already over the cap for next season. Florida has $4.5 million and has to sign 6 players at league minimum to fill out a complete roster and even then they are still over.
There are maybe ten teams in the league with any kind of flexibility to make big splashes in free agency. I predict these teams like Anaheim, Columbus, Buffalo, Ottawa, etc will be able to land some premier free agents and will also be able to leverage teams in cap hell into getting actual good players on decent contracts.
Arizona could always trade for Weber and his $8 million cap hit and zero actual dollars paid out due to insurance and then they will only be $6 million from the floor.
I don't see any teams dumping terrible contracts this offseason unless they offer up an arm and a leg.
Even then, its still not great for a team like Arizona. They could offer guys like Giroux or Giordano fat one year deals and then get big hauls for them at the trade deadline. Phoenix probably gets $30 million dollars per year in revenue sharing. They will be able to spend on players that will help their rebuild more by acquiring players with trade value at the deadline.
Keep in mind that Arizona spent $72 million in actual dollars on salary last season which is $12 million dollars more than the floor.
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There’s zero chance Giroux or Giordano are signing in Arizona next season.
If Lucic would agree to go to Arizona they would happily take him after his signing bonus was paid by Calgary.
A 6m cap hit and 1m real salary is a dream pick-up for them.
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As I already said, Phoenix spent over $60 million on actual salaries this season.
The cap floor is $60 million. Arizona doesn't need Lucic, and why is he waiving his no trade clause to go there if Giroux or Giordano won't?
There isn't going to be enough money to go around this offseason. There are going to be some good free agents that will have to look at taking a huge pay cut or signing in Arizona. Someone will sign there just like Hall did in Buffalo for $8 million.
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Tkachuk, $88m/8y ($11m AAV) NMC (Comparison: Mitch Marner)
- he's not taking less than his younger brother ($82m AAV), of this I guarantee - his QO is $9m so that's where it starts... but I think he'll get more on a max term contract
- Using Marner as a comp.... but Marner actually signed a shorter term contract and was more RFA years - yikes.
- I might be a tad high on this one but as someone already mentioned in this thread, based on other Tkachuk NHL contract negotiations over the past few years - the tone has been set.
- I just don't see him re-signing with the Flames. Gut says it will be an Eastern US team
- Using Panarin as comp... very similar players and production.
- one year to UFA and he's not taking less than Blake Coleman
- using Hyman comp but I would value Mangiapane higher and the cap is said to be rising
- I don't think the Flames would be wise to committing to a longer term $4.5m+ AAV contract at this point - which is likely what Kylington would be looking for with his stat line to commit to that long term contract.
- bridge "show me" deal then still RFA
- I wouldn't say he is as good as Fabbro but his offensive production is better in this contract year.
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I love how Calgary fans think it's gonna be a breeze to get rid or lucic and monohan.
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It likely will be. Lucic is owed very little money next year in relation to his cap hit, so teams trying to hit the cap floor will be all over a contract like that.
Monahan will also be an easy move. He’s still young and only has one year left on his deal. Flames can easily trade him even if they have to retain some salary.
I doubt Gaudreau is signing with an eastern US team. This is likely his last NHL contract and he’s going to want to win. If he was signing out east he would likely want to be near his family in NJ. The Devils and Flyers are both rebuilding, NYR are in cap hell, NYI are mediocre at best, Boston is dealing with significant cap issues and Washington is an aging roster. Pittsburgh is an option and they have the cap space, but they’re also dealing with an aging core plus re-signing Malkin, Letang, as well as only having 14 players under contract for next year.
I think there’s a much better chance JG re-signs in Calgary if he thinks the team can stay competitive than heading to the states.
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Give Gaudreau a blank cheque if you have to but hopefully for around 10 mill.
Monahan may just retire.
Monahan may just retire.
Ledge And Dairy
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Marner is not a comparable to anyone, he is clearly overpaid and this is common knowledge. If you can provide a single reason why Tkachuk should be paid more than the 2 time defending cup 1C in Point (who took a nearly identical contract after ELC) then sure.
Panarin was paid as a UFA on a 7 year deal with a new team before the flat cap, if Gaudreau resigns with Calgary and on an 8 year deal he certainly isn't getting more than Barkov.
How is Hyman a comparable? He was a UFA, it always cost extra to sign a UFA from a different team.
Mangiapane's comparables are Bjorkstrand and Teravainen.
Kylington comparison is fine, he hasn't proven enough to get a long term deal and frankly shouldn't want one while escrow is still high. 1 year prove it deal works for both parties as it keeps him on the roster for cheap while staying an RFA after, and gives him a chance to prove he's worth the investment
I think people are overestimating people wanting to leave Calgary. I'm not in the locker room and neither is anyone else here, but I think this is the most 'together' the team has ever felt from a fan perspective (esp thinking of the Jarnkrok trade). I think the team is entirely onboard, love Sutter, and it would be a shame for them to split off the trajectory of the team rather than try to stay while they can compete. Unless these players can move to a team who is more likely to make a cup run, I don't think they end up getting moved. The idea of 'we can surround you with even better if we have more cap space' is surely enticing.
I'm obviously biased, but this team has been rejuvenated and there is immense value in sticking with a cohesive unit that you like to play with and want to win with.
Trade Lucic, put Monahan on LTIR and bring him back for next year's playoffs lol
I'm obviously biased, but this team has been rejuvenated and there is immense value in sticking with a cohesive unit that you like to play with and want to win with.
Trade Lucic, put Monahan on LTIR and bring him back for next year's playoffs lol
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Ledge And Dairy
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How did TB give Point cups? He was a core player to their success in both runs. Tax is a troll answer that people use as excuse to hate on Tampa. Panthers have the exact same tax but Bob didn't take a discount to go there
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Point was willing to take less then market value to continue the winning culture and the lack of state taxes helps him to swallow the lower overall number. I don’t think the tax issue is make or break but probably helps in negotiations.
Bob has nothing to do with the ‘point’. You seem confined to your view though so moving on.
After the recent Brady negotiations I don’t see Matty being the type to take a hometown discount for the sake of the team.
The other tactic I am sure agents will raise is that while the cap will only rise marginally for next couple years to payback escrow, after that it is expected to shoot up at the rates we saw pre Covid. So if you are expecting to lock one of these guys in long term they are going to want to make sure their clients are not underpaid the back half of their contract on the 7-8 year deals.
if I were to guess I would say both Johnny and Matty around 10-10.5 on a full term.
Bob has nothing to do with the ‘point’. You seem confined to your view though so moving on.
After the recent Brady negotiations I don’t see Matty being the type to take a hometown discount for the sake of the team.
The other tactic I am sure agents will raise is that while the cap will only rise marginally for next couple years to payback escrow, after that it is expected to shoot up at the rates we saw pre Covid. So if you are expecting to lock one of these guys in long term they are going to want to make sure their clients are not underpaid the back half of their contract on the 7-8 year deals.
if I were to guess I would say both Johnny and Matty around 10-10.5 on a full term.
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In that case they are only paying $875k in actual dollars for Lucic, which is a bargain. Lucic brings a lot to the table, his cap hit is just too high. Without the consideration of cap I'd love to have him on the team.
Zirakzigil
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Flames have 2 large advantages, they can sign both players to 8 year deals and most playoff teams are capped out. Sure a bottom feeder team could give Matt or JG a 10mil+ contract for 7 years, but do these guys want to play for a bottom feeder? No. I feel fairly confident both with sign again with the Flames and both to fair deals. In fact it wouldnt surprise me if both deals are in the 8 year 9-9.5mil range.
