Value of: Calgary Contracts (Gaudreau, Tkachuk etc)
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I think you're looking at about the following for each player:
Gaudreau: 10M
Tkachuk: 9.25M
Mangiapane: 5.5M
Kylington: 3.5M
Total: 28.25M
In other words something has to give. My guess is either Tkachuk is traded, Gaudreau walks or one of Monahan or Lucic is moved.
Gaudreau: 10M
Tkachuk: 9.25M
Mangiapane: 5.5M
Kylington: 3.5M
Total: 28.25M
In other words something has to give. My guess is either Tkachuk is traded, Gaudreau walks or one of Monahan or Lucic is moved.
Think Monahan is the obvious answer. I can't see Calgary willing to let go of any of the mentioned names, so it'll just depend on the price it costs to dump Monahan. Lucic only has a 10 team list he can be traded to, which is essentially a full NTC given his contract.
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Lol. In that scenario, clearly trading Monahan or Lucic is the best option. The Flames could also look at moving guys like Backlund or Dube. Assuming that Gaudreau and Tkachuk want to re-sign in Calgary, there's multiple ways to get things done.
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Gaudreau - UFA - 9.5/year
Tkachuk - RFA - 9/year
Kylington - RFA - 4/year
Mangiapane - RFA - 5.5/year
Just my guesses off the top of my head. Tkachuk will hold out for a huge payout.
Tkachuk - RFA - 9/year
Kylington - RFA - 4/year
Mangiapane - RFA - 5.5/year
Just my guesses off the top of my head. Tkachuk will hold out for a huge payout.
Most likely. I guess for me it comes down to value. If I have to attach significant assets to Monahan or Lucic I think twice about it. If Gaudreau goes I think you rebuild either way. Tkachuk for me is replaceable. Gaudreau isn't. I'm not talking about giving him away. More something like a top six winger, prospect and top 10 pick.
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Agreed. Without Gaudreau this team is sunk, and it's rebuild time. Tkachuk could potentially be replaced via free agency (I also agree he's more complimentary and replaceable), but that creates a massive search for his replacement, which I'd just rather avoid all together, as you could burn Gaudreau's prime trying to find that person. The chemistry on the top line is so good, the Flames such make a lot of sacrifices to keep that intact. It's a line that will probably be good for the next 3-4 years too. I would be willing to attach some assets to get rid of bad contracts. Not 1sts, but probably 2nds.
Agreed, I think you'd need to get a top 6 winger back in a trade. I like that chemistry too though. Tkachuk is a poor skater and it hurts back pressure. Gaudreau is great at that. Gaudreau struggles to get the puck out when it comes up his wall. Tkachuk is great at that. They both really are great at seeing lanes though, that's what makes them so good together.
I think it's gonna come down to whether we can move Lucic and his NTC. In a worst-case scenario we can buy out Monahan and save an extra 4 mil, but we're gonna need like 5 mil more than that. Lucic is only owed 1 mil of real money, so he would be an ideal target for a team like Ottawa or Seattle or Arizona with one year left and a high cap hit to help them reach the cap floor but low actual dollars.
Ideally buy out Monahan, do Lucic+2nd/meh prospect to Ottawa for a late pick, and then the money would work. Maybe a Lucic+Valimaki package for a pick if absolutely necessary. But if Lucic is set on staying then we're in a tough position and would have to consider moving Dube or Backlund, which I'd do way before moving Chucky unless the return was astronomical. Or Mang.
Johnny gets probs 9.5-10 mil, Chucky around 9, Mang 5 (can't see him getting much more with how cold he's been the second half of the year), and Kylington around 4. Gudbranson at 3 yrs 1.75 mil.
Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Mang-Backlund-Toffoli
Pelletier-Dube-Coleman
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Hanifin-Rasmus
Kylington-Tanev
Mackey-Gudbranson
Stone, Valimaki (unless we have to move him with Lucic)
Markstrom
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Ideally buy out Monahan, do Lucic+2nd/meh prospect to Ottawa for a late pick, and then the money would work. Maybe a Lucic+Valimaki package for a pick if absolutely necessary. But if Lucic is set on staying then we're in a tough position and would have to consider moving Dube or Backlund, which I'd do way before moving Chucky unless the return was astronomical. Or Mang.
Johnny gets probs 9.5-10 mil, Chucky around 9, Mang 5 (can't see him getting much more with how cold he's been the second half of the year), and Kylington around 4. Gudbranson at 3 yrs 1.75 mil.
Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Mang-Backlund-Toffoli
Pelletier-Dube-Coleman
_____-Ruzicka-Lewis
Hanifin-Rasmus
Kylington-Tanev
Mackey-Gudbranson
Stone, Valimaki (unless we have to move him with Lucic)
Markstrom
Vladar
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If Detroit trades for both Monahan and Lucic, what would Calgary fans think that deal would look like?
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Who's going to take on a massive Monahan deal for a late 2nd rd pick? No one
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Lol. Massive deal? It's one year. That one can be bought out pretty easily. The Lucic deal has $875k in actual money owing for one year.
Again, why would a team take on 6.75M$ of dead weight for a mere 2nd rd pick.
Buying Monahan out doesn't make the numbers work if you consider JG heading for Panarin type of money (and he can)
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Firstly, Monahan's cap hit is $6.375.
Either way two of Lucic, Monahan, and Backlund need to be moved. Monahan can be bought out. If Lucic refuses to move, then Backlund likely has to be moved. The Flames would have about $30 million in cap space if Monahan was bought out. Their situation isn't nearly as dire as people are making it out to be. They have a lot of options, in terms of moving cap around.
The Flames also have multiple players on ELCs looking ready to break into the lineup.
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Tell Monahan to take a Kucherov vacation
Give Lucic an off ice position
Give Lucic an off ice position
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I think Gaudreau will sign with a US team maybe the Devils. He'll be overpaid and will underachieve with his new team. Tkachuk will resign for more money than his brother. Mangiapine and Kylington as well. Monohan on LTIR or traded to Ottawa or Arizona with draft picks or a prospect.
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i actually think Lucic makes sense even I'm not the biggest fan of the player. would help with the big issue most fans have with being too soft and having no protection.
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