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Its really wild to think Cal was scapegoated and things are back to business as usual.
He was not good. But the final straw for him was to come into a game they had already given up 5 goals in and not save the day?
That Toronto game should be proof that the issues are deeper than Cal playing poorly. So far no other player has been scratched, benched, or thrown under the bus like Cal yet the game outcomes are the same as before he was sent down.
He was not good. But the final straw for him was to come into a game they had already given up 5 goals in and not save the day?
That Toronto game should be proof that the issues are deeper than Cal playing poorly. So far no other player has been scratched, benched, or thrown under the bus like Cal yet the game outcomes are the same as before he was sent down.
Raccoon Jesus
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I suppose they might argue that Kempe got a demotion but if they wanted to send a real message you take Doughty and Kopitar off the pp altogether, or as a half message you put them on pp2. There is also a case for Roy to be the odd man out defensively for a game. I have no problem with Cal goin down, but I object to it being the only thing done as it’s clearly changed nothing for the skaters.
Well, the author mentions his respect for Bill Ranford in the interview AND says the solution is a difficult one to implement, a mid-season goalie camp, where intensive coaching is done without exposure to NHL games. This is exactly what's being done with the assignment to Ontario.
The first goal against Quick during the CBJ made me think of this article, though I wonder if that's confirmation bias.
Quick went out to challenge the shooter at 0:13, but makes another move at 0:14 to go out even further to the right. At that point, CBJ 34 (Sillinger) and LAK 3 (Roy) are between Quick and where he needs to move because of the pass.
Obviously, this whole play was caused by the Edler --> Grundstrom pass to the middle not connecting. But where Quick ends up is weird. at 0:32, you can see that he's making the move to cover the opening on the stick side. But shouldn't that have included a vector toward the right post?
I don't know. On the second goal Quick makes a great move off the post to get squared up. Strong but small. The tip was just magical.
Quick went out to challenge the shooter at 0:13, but makes another move at 0:14 to go out even further to the right. At that point, CBJ 34 (Sillinger) and LAK 3 (Roy) are between Quick and where he needs to move because of the pass.
Obviously, this whole play was caused by the Edler --> Grundstrom pass to the middle not connecting. But where Quick ends up is weird. at 0:32, you can see that he's making the move to cover the opening on the stick side. But shouldn't that have included a vector toward the right post?
I don't know. On the second goal Quick makes a great move off the post to get squared up. Strong but small. The tip was just magical.
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I was at the Firebirds Reign game last night. First time I've seen Cal live all season. Seems to me he really goes down early and his rebound control was a bit iffy at times, but not many other issues I can see other than that. Reign ended up losing because they got away from their game in the third.
I was a little torn because the firebirds are my home team so I would have been happy with either team winning. You can tell the Reign out talent the Firebirds, but Bylsma has the Firebirds playing with his scrappy hardworking identity.
I was a little torn because the firebirds are my home team so I would have been happy with either team winning. You can tell the Reign out talent the Firebirds, but Bylsma has the Firebirds playing with his scrappy hardworking identity.
Flyer fan interested to hear what you think about Cal's future. He may get a chance to be a back-up to Cahter Hart in Philly, Flyers also have 2 young goalies they can easily turn to for reliable back-up duties for a Flyers squad not looking to challenge for much, except that Cal's buried salary may be an issue, team has 3 important RFAs to sign still which will determine if they try to stay out of LTIR territory or not to accumulate some trade deadline cap space.
Cal's stints with USA at World Championships were more than fine. And looking over his play, and that of his teammates in 2022-23 at least, I can easily see him making a rebound. He had some good starts, but more bads ones, and no goalie in LA looked good in the fall of 2022, and that last game before he got sent down was simply bananas.
Not sure if Philly's play in front of him will be better than LAs, but we do have John Tortarella running the show, and we're likely to dump another defensive hole shortly ala Tony DeAngelo.
So. For those of you who watched his rise and fall, would be happy to hear what you think he's capable of. Even if we all know that when it comes to goalkeepers, there's very little to predict with confidence except "expect wild swings in results!".
Cal's stints with USA at World Championships were more than fine. And looking over his play, and that of his teammates in 2022-23 at least, I can easily see him making a rebound. He had some good starts, but more bads ones, and no goalie in LA looked good in the fall of 2022, and that last game before he got sent down was simply bananas.
Not sure if Philly's play in front of him will be better than LAs, but we do have John Tortarella running the show, and we're likely to dump another defensive hole shortly ala Tony DeAngelo.
So. For those of you who watched his rise and fall, would be happy to hear what you think he's capable of. Even if we all know that when it comes to goalkeepers, there's very little to predict with confidence except "expect wild swings in results!".
King'sPawn
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It's honestly very hard to say. Petersen just had this gradual decrease in performance until he fell off a cliff.
He just never made a big save to change the momentum, and he struggled to make normal saves to uphold the momentum.
Last season, it wasn't even that pucks would squeak through him. He just would get beat cleanly.
At this stage, he might benefit more from a team that emphasizes shot blocking. He's struggled to keep track of the puck anyway, so if you can limit first chances, it might get his confidence and thus his focus back. Once back in form, you can at least count on him making routine saves, but don't expect one who steals games.
His play at the World Championships is what helped earned him the contract. However, since then he has been steadily declining and was getting beat from everywhere in all situations. He has the tools, but he is lost mentally and I don't think he can regain confidence, to be honest. He is the poster child of the headcase goalie.
Raccoon Jesus
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Best way I can describe it is the yips
Dude just got in his own head...went from being unable to make big saves to making routine saves look not-routine
Dude just got in his own head...went from being unable to make big saves to making routine saves look not-routine
Thanks for the responses,.
One more quick question for my own sake. How did he compare to Quick, playing in front of the same team, this last season and previously? Of course I am looking for signs of an easy rehabilitation, and saying that Quick played just as badly is one of those signs. Just say what you think.
One more quick question for my own sake. How did he compare to Quick, playing in front of the same team, this last season and previously? Of course I am looking for signs of an easy rehabilitation, and saying that Quick played just as badly is one of those signs. Just say what you think.
I was just considering the 2023 World Championships, as a small bounceback in his play...should have said as much.
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Quick's play didn't improve much with Vegas. While a healthy dose of Edler, Walker, Durzi didn't help, it seems both goalies had struggles on their own. Pheonix, career AHLer, was an upgrade over both at the end.
Hopefully Cal can rebound.
I think a new goalie coach might help get him a different mental mindset. He has the tools to be great but just lost confidence completely.
But with Philly's history with goalies... no offense, but he might not be in the best place to be rehabilitated.
But with Philly's history with goalies... no offense, but he might not be in the best place to be rehabilitated.
King'sPawn
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Quick still outplayed him every season. He was brought in to eventually replace Quick, but even at his worst, Quick still outplayed Petersen.
Copley should have played from the beginning, though. He had a better preseason than both.
thanks all for your thoughts. Flyer forum has nothing to discuss Cal, so this is very helpful. feel free to give more advice or viewpoints. myself, I have an optimist's viewpoint, that a new player on my team's roster, in the prototypical swing position, can swing their way back to NHL reliability. I hope he gets a good shot at an NHL job, the Flyers can manage it in every way...cap-wise, and expectations-wise...with a small reward awaiting them possibly in a trade situation.
Just not Tortarella-wise maybe. We'll see what happens!
Just not Tortarella-wise maybe. We'll see what happens!
Lt Dan
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His problems are between the ears. he has skill. Hopefully this trade was a wakeup call and he is able to get it together.
With Torts.... it's probably going to be make or break with him
lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Cal could recover on another team. He and Quick were equally bad and needed a change of scenery. It’s not as if Cal was actively losing games for the Kings, but the Kings had to outscore opponents to win his games.
He is primarily a positional goalie. The Kings were really not good in their own zone early last season, and Cal could not make the big saves to account for that. Quick was not quite big enough to cover the top three inches of the net. Pretty ugly pairing for two months.
I would argue that Quick was worse than Cal, but the Kings preferred to send Cal down to the minors due to seniority.
If Cal has a goalie coach that makes a few changes, he could recover. My guess is that he won’t look great behind a rebuilding Flyers team, but he will be a decent backup. Just don’t look for him to win you a bunch of games.
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Petersen's performance this season was the worst I've seen in the NHL since Dan Cloutier.
There were 79 goalies who played at least 10 games this year. Petersen ranked 79th among them in GSAE/60.
There were 105 goalies who faced at least one 'high danger' shot this year. Petersen ranked 105th with a ridiculous .313 SV% on high danger shots.
No other goalie in the NHL had a sub .500 SV% on high danger shots.
There were 79 goalies who played at least 10 games this year. Petersen ranked 79th among them in GSAE/60.
There were 105 goalies who faced at least one 'high danger' shot this year. Petersen ranked 105th with a ridiculous .313 SV% on high danger shots.
No other goalie in the NHL had a sub .500 SV% on high danger shots.
Every shot on Petersen was high danger, to my liver anyway. Hope dude can get his head right and make a recovery.
Raccoon Jesus
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great stats that jive with the eye test
dude just melted anytime there was danger, i've never seen anything quite like it
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He lost his confidence and then stopped playing his game, which is positional and controlled. Instead he was the opposite. It’s hard to see him recover at this point. Although it’s possible with a change of scenery and perhaps a good sport’s psychological, it isn’t probable.
