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vanwest said:
I guess I've missed some news.
Leaf fans think they're getting Stamkos?
Seems like a pipe dream TBH.
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Maybe if you've read some of my posts and not make assumptions, then you'd have a post with actual substance and not some vague assumption.

I never said we were. But it is a possibility. The fact that he will be due for upwards of 10 million and they have to resign a multitude of players, there's no guarantee he's still in Tampa come next year. And it's even more damning that he hasn't been signed up yet.
 
Apotheosis said:
So something like...

Marner-Stamkos-?
?-Nylander-Brown

Question marks because I have no idea who would be worth it there. I do like Bracco on Nylander's wing though. I personally want Gauthier centring Kapanen and Leipsic on the third line.
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A lot of stuff up in the air, really tough to project right now. Lets for fun assume we somehow land Stammer, just for the sake of this mock lineup.

JVR-Stamkos-Marner
Lupul-Nylander-Brown

That would be a pretty solid top six. Plenty of scoring will come from that. Lupul is a little weak and could be swapped out for an energy guy like Komarov or Winnik who will provide Nylander and Brown with some extra space. That's just for next year though, long term, yeah, someone like Kap or Bracco would fit well in the top six (assuming they reach their potential).

Either way, I think this team will surprise people next year. My prediction might not be a popular one, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. :dunno:
 
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Apotheosis said:
Maybe if you've read some of my posts and not make assumptions, then you'd have a post with actual substance and not some vague assumption.

I never said we were. But it is a possibility. The fact that he will be due for upwards of 10 million and they have to resign a multitude of players, there's no guarantee he's still in Tampa come next year. And it's even more damning that he hasn't been signed up yet.
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No need to be so sensitive.
I just read a number of different posters commenting on Stamkos on the Leafs in the last few pages and wondered if there was some substance to it.
You've answered my question and I see now that it's mostly wishful thinking.
 
vanwest said:
No need to be so sensitive.
I just read a number of different posters commenting on Stamkos on the Leafs in the last few pages and wondered if there was some substance to it.
You've answered my question and I see now that it's mostly wishful thinking.
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At this point last year, Babcock too was wishful thinking.
 
Pi said:
At this point last year, Babcock too was wishful thinking.
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Agreed. Babcock was a huge hiring.
To be fair though, we've seen Leaf fans pencil a lot of big names into the lineup over the years but have yet to see one sign there in recent memory. Since this is the Nylander thread I'll leave it at that and move on.
 
vanwest said:
No need to be so sensitive.
I just read a number of different posters commenting on Stamkos on the Leafs in the last few pages and wondered if there was some substance to it.
You've answered my question and I see now that it's mostly wishful thinking.
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Babcock was wishful thinking this time last year as well.
 
vanwest said:
Agreed. Babcock was a huge hiring.
To be fair though, we've seen Leaf fans pencil a lot of big names into the lineup over the years but have yet to see one sign there in recent memory. Since this is the Nylander thread I'll leave it at that and move on.
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We got David Clarkson. :naughty::sarcasm:
 
kglink5 said:
We got David Clarkson. :naughty::sarcasm:
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I'm trying to think of the last big name we got. Hamhuis and Vrbata were solid ones.
We once did have a report from someone's BBQ salesman that Sakic was coming back to Vanocuver, Marion Gaborik was reported to have bought a house in Vancouver and, of course, Shea Weber is coming home any year now. :laugh:
 
vanwest said:
I'm trying to think of the last big name we got. Hamhuis and Vrbata were solid ones.
We once did have a report from someone's BBQ salesman that Sakic was coming back to Vanocuver, Marion Gaborik was reported to have bought a house in Vancouver and, of course, Shea Weber is coming home any year now. :laugh:
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Shea Weber will go to Vancouver when he's UFA. In 10 years. At age 40.
 
Apotheosis said:
I still think it's another 2 years of "tanking" before we start contending. Nylander and Marner are likely on the team next season but besides Rielly, the defence is in shambles and goaltending is still a problem. We still need to draft another defence man to pair with Rielly and a number 1/2 C to go with Nylander assuming he becomes a 1 or 2 C. And we need to stock up on potential goalies. So even with Stamkos and Nylander-Marner, we're still going to lose, just we might score more than we do now. Although, if we get Stamkos, we don't need to draft another C. Nylander-Stamkos as a 1-2 C punch.
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kglink5 said:
I predict that we could end up as a bubble team as soon as next year. Fighting for a wildcard spot isn't out of the question next year. Leafs have done a lot of things right this season but are missing a lot as well. The things we are missing are mostly caused by lack of high end skill and scoring. Adding Marner, Nylander, Brown, and others (Potentially Stamkos and/or Matthews) will do wonders for the Leafs PP and scoring in general. Maybe I'm being too optimistic but I don't think it's unreasonable to think they could be fighting for a wildcard spot next year.
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vanwest said:
I guess I've missed some news.
Leaf fans think they're getting Stamkos?
Seems like a pipe dream TBH.
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While I would say there is an outside chance Stamkos comes, I don't go into pencilling him into the line up.

I really hope Matthews ends up as a Leaf but we're just nowhere close to the end of the year...

Ah well it's a Nylander thread. Sadly the Marlies don't play for a bit but that Leivo-Nylander-Panik line is giving opposing teams defense and goalies nightmares.
 
Semantics said:
L0L I don't think Babcock and Lamoriello signed here to miss the playoffs for three years.
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I still think we're two drafts away before we contend. Next draft will be huge for us. Assuming we stay last or close to last we're guaranteed one of the following:

Matthews or Brown both good C's to go with Nylander

or that Finnish kid that I can never spell his name right (Pulj)

or Jakob Chychrun an NHL ready number 1 potential defence man

Regardless, we'll be in good shape. Then guys like Nylander and Marner develop alongside the support guys like Gauthier, Leipsic and Brown? We're in good shape for the future.
 
Apotheosis said:
I still think we're two drafts away before we contend. Next draft will be huge for us. Assuming we stay last or close to last we're guaranteed one of the following:

Matthews or Brown both good C's to go with Nylander

or that Finnish kid that I can never spell his name right (Pulj)

or Jakob Chychrun an NHL ready number 1 potential defence man

Regardless, we'll be in good shape. Then guys like Nylander and Marner develop alongside the support guys like Gauthier, Leipsic and Brown? We're in good shape for the future.
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This, drooling over next year's draft, the top ten is full of centers and defensemen. This draft year is a bit scary given the lottery structure and their are really only two obvious franchise type pieces.

Like that the Leafs are sticking to the plan of BPA, long term it's just about taking the best player, I'd consider Nylander as good as a top five pick given his development, Marner another hit (had my reservations at the time but Marner is looking better than Strome, jury remains out on Provorov and Hanifin).

With Rielly would say we're half way there of building that good core with a bunch of good prospects on top of that could surprise.
 
apparently he has to "master" the ahl? Personally I just think its a thing babs inherited from when he was in detroit. Young guys stay in development leagues and even if over develops then so be it. There's really not much to master in the AHL, its a different league and also 100% of players that played in both leagues will say the NHL is a easier leauge to play in. this guy deserves NHL playing time. If he was a Canuck prospect, he had some games played right now. but it also doesn't hurt to keep him in the AHL too.
 
lawrence said:
apparently he has to "master" the ahl? Personally I just think its a thing babs inherited from when he was in detroit. Young guys stay in development leagues and even if over develops then so be it. There's really not much to master in the AHL, its a different league and also 100% of players that played in both leagues will say the NHL is a easier leauge to play in. this guy deserves NHL playing time. If he was a Canuck prospect, he had some games played right now. but it also doesn't hurt to keep him in the AHL too.
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Your team is way better. You win more games and you have more/better quality veterans.
 
lawrence said:
apparently he has to "master" the ahl? Personally I just think its a thing babs inherited from when he was in detroit. Young guys stay in development leagues and even if over develops then so be it. There's really not much to master in the AHL, its a different league and also 100% of players that played in both leagues will say the NHL is a easier leauge to play in. this guy deserves NHL playing time. If he was a Canuck prospect, he had some games played right now. but it also doesn't hurt to keep him in the AHL too.
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Bob Mckenzie said it best in this interview. Nylander was not ready, and the Leafs were not prepared to throw him to the wolves.

Last night was the first real preseason game as I said yesterday on the show. I wouldn’t even count split squad games as preseason hockey. It’s almost just a scrimmage compared to what the preseason games will be now, what they are next week, leading up to the final weekend before the regular season begins.

The preseason ramps up and it becomes more difficult as you go along. You’ve got to be really cautious reading too much into what you see in the first week of preseason hockey. Hey, listen, Nylander played in the American Hockey League last year.

He’s a good hockey player. We know in terms of vision, skill, a lot of those things, he’s in the top two or three in the entire Maple Leaf organization right now. That doesn’t mean you plop him in the lineup and suffer the slings and arrows of a 19 year old playing in the NHL.
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https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2015/09/24/bob-mckenzie-william-nylander-destined-for-the-ahl/
 
Mats13 said:
Wow... I read the entire link you posted. No where does Mckenzie say that Nylander wasn't NHL ready. Don't make things up. :shakehead

Everything he says is about protecting Nylander from our horrible NHL team...
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You didn't listen close enough. Mckenzie cautioned about judging too early on Nylander's play on split squad games, where he referred to them as scrimmages when Feschuck said he has looked great in the preseason. Obviously this means one thing. Anyone with an unbiased eye would have said Nylander was good in the preseason, but he was not great. Great enough to as Shanahan put it force the Leafs to put them in the NHL and their line up.

Now before someone says Nylander was always going back to the AHL as it was predetermined. I think some of us thought Harrington was. But he stuck. So Leafs needed a player(Nylander) to knock the door down. He is where he belongs to start this season.
 
Just because you read something in between the lines when nothing is really there doesn't mean you should assume others also inaccurately read between the lines.


Harrington was NHL ready and everyone expected him to make the team. He has played way more games in the AHL than Nylander, so keeping him up and sending Nylander down was still predetermined.
 
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JVR - Stamkos - Marner
Kapanen - Nylander - Brown
Johnson - Kadri - Bracco
Komarov - Gauthier - Winnik

Rielly - Chychrun
Gardiner - Dermott
Percy - Harrington

:D
 
Shwaguy said:
Wow Mentalist I can't believe how much smarter you are than everyone else here that you're able to pick up all these things between the lines that no one else does and then are able tell what everyone else is thinking because you just know that we all think the exact same thing as you. It's uncanny.
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It's not hard at all to listen what Bob Mckenzie said in the interview. All it took was listening to what was said, instead of hearing what one wanted to hear.

And that was Split squad games are not real preseason games, they are more like scrimmages according to Mckenzie. Mckenzie cautioned Feschuck from jumping to too many early conclusions.

BTW I was responding to the poster that said Nylander should be in the NHL straight out of camp. Not sure why the defence mechanism in the 2 last posts with what I posted.
 
one77 said:
JVR - Stamkos - Marner
Kapanen - Nylander - Brown
Johnson - Kadri - Bracco
Komarov - Gauthier - Winnik

Rielly - Chychrun
Gardiner - Dermott
Percy - Harrington

:D
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JvR-Matthews(Eichel2.0)-Stamkos(1.0)
Marner(Kane2.0)-Nylander(Backstrom2.0)-C.Brown(Sullivan2.0)
L.Brown-Kadri(Ribero2.0)-Kapanen(Okposo2.0)
Komarov-Gauthier (B.Boyle2.0)-Johnson(Grabner2.0)
Bracco

Neilsen(Weber2.0)-Rielly(Keith2.0)
Gardiner-Dermott(Reilly2.0)
Percy(Hamhuis2.0)-Valiev(Tyutin2.0)

:P
 
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