C William Nylander (2014, 8th, TOR) V [Mod warning in OP]

[snizzbone*]

Yup, Detroit and Winnipeg are both organizations that don't rush their prospects. I believe the jets were wuoted as trying to find reasons to send trouba back down, but simply couldn't. His first game, he led the team in ice time, got a goal and an assist, and earned the first star. I believe Ehlers is also the only other prospect to play before getting at least two years of development in the minors after being drafted. If one watched Ehlers, they would see how strong he is without the put, and how strong he is in the corners.m his line is number one in the league for puck possession at the moment, and it's not like he's being guided by grizzled vets, he's playing with schiefele and Perrault. Both players clearly earned roster spots.

Larkin, which I'm sure most in this thread watched last night, is equal if not more so strong without the puck, and can absolutley handle himself along the boards.

Both players are uNdisputably NHL ready, and earned their roster spots, wether it they would have been trying out on the jets, wings or leafs.

Watching Nylander, it was evident he is probably stronger offensively than Larkin and Ehlers, but simply lazy, or unsure of himself without the puck, and his work on the boards in his own end leaves much to be desired. Clearly not NHL ready.

Anyways, just mine, and apparently babcocks opinion.

lol sample size much?

Detroit didn't rush prospects in the past because they didn't have high draft picks / prospects who were NHL ready at such a young age. Larkin is their first prospect in a while who is just amazing at 19 year, so he made the team.

The Leafs aren't rushing their prospects in general, even high picks, because they want to protect them from having their confidence ruined by being on a terrible team. Dubas mentioned last year how he made the mistake of allowing Percy to be on the Leafs despite not being 110% sure he was ready for the NHL. What ended up happening is he had a few good games, and then started to fade, so he was sent down. This ruined his confidence all year. The Leafs want to keep their pplayers down in the AHL until they are so good that they won't ever be sent down again. Nylander obviously does have some things he needs to work on, but that doesn't mean he isn't NHL ready. It just means the team feels like it'd be better for his development to work on those skills in the AHL instead of the NHL.

Anyways it is clear you have an agenda here.

 

[Atomos2]

http://t.thestar.com/#/article/spor...e-maple-leafs-despite-impressive-showing.html

Babcock says Nylander still has a lot to work on in this article

Babcock also says it was never impossible for Nylander to make the team, but he had to earn a spot. Dispelling the myth, that Nylander was destined for the AHL.

You are welcome, feel free to continue to ignore mike Babcock.

Out of the very own article you put up, this is the only direct quote Babcock says in it:

"We think he’s good,” Babcock said. “You see players, you see whether they’re ready, you see if they’re ready defensively, you see if they’re ready offensively.

“You just watch to see if they’re ready. We want our guys over-ready.”

Keyword? We want our players to be OVER-READY. What do you think that means?

But hey, feel free to continue to ignore mike Babcock.

 

[Martinez]

Just wait till babs scratches nylander because the tie goes to the vet

 

[Rebuilt]

that is such BS and you know it! you call your self a Leaf fan yet it appears as though you didn't watch a single pre season game. If you had it would be obvious to you that Nylander was better than all except JVR and Kadri.

To your point of Babs saying he had a chance to make the team, I find it comical that you don't see the lip service part of it especially in hindsight that Nylander was better than almost every single forward on both ends of the ice.

Its especially annoying when guys like Rantanen, Ehlers, Larkin made their teams and Nylander was just as good as them infact better that all except Larkin. So for you to imply that he wasn't good enough is comical.

Do you honestly expect them to say that? to say yea he should be in the NHL but we are going to be soo bad we want to keep him away from that? are you new to hockey?

Have you watched Ehlers play in his first 2 NHL games? No. Nylander isnt 'better' than that. Ehlers plays on a stacked Winnipeg team that also doesnt 'need' to keep Ehlers. He earned his spot.

 

[Atomos2]

Have you watched Ehlers play in his first 2 NHL games? No. Nylander isnt 'better' than that. Ehlers plays on a stacked Winnipeg team that also doesnt 'need' to keep Ehlers. He earned his spot.

Yeah I have. And yes I've watched Nylander too. And yes he is better than that.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Already explained that (extensively).

As for just quoting Babcock and not stating anything Babs didn't say, can you point me towards where exactly Babcock said the following?:



He didn't.

That's my opinion, and others share it regarding his work ethic away from the puck.

This is a hockey forum, having an opinion isn't spreading misinformation.

As far as spreading misinformation on what mike Babcock said, and of what you were referring to due to me not providing a source, I believe that has been taken care of.

Mike Babcock thinks Nylander has a lot to work on.

Mike Babcock gave Nylander a chance to earn a roster spot.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Yeah I have. And yes I've watched Nylander too. And yes he is better than that.

It's a shame Nylander wasn't able to crack an NHL roster, making the comparison more valid.

I wonder how Nylander will look compared to MDC or virtanen.

 

[Atomos2]

It's a shame Nylander wasn't able to crack an NHL roster, making the comparison more valid.

I wonder how Nylander will look compared to MDC or virtanen.

Meh, not really. Leafs want their prospects to be over-ready when they come up. You just gotta respect the process.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Meh, not really. Leafs want their prospects to be over-ready when they come up. You just gotta respect the process.

Lots of teams follow that process. Larkin and Ehlers happened to be over ready before nylander. No big whoop. It's good to focus on his development.

As far as Babcock saying he wants his prospects over ready, absolutely. Missing in that article is any mention that he considered Nylander ready, let alone over ready, whatever that means.

All I know is that Nylander had a chance to earn a roster spot, but still has a lot to work on according to mike Babcock.

 

[Atomos2]

Lots of teams follow that process. Larkin and Ehlers happened to be over ready before nylander. No big whoop. It's good to focus on his development.

As far as Babcock saying he wants his prospects over ready, absolutely. Missing in that article is any mention that he considered Nylander ready, let alone over ready, whatever that means.

All I know is that Nylander had a chance to earn a roster spot, but still has a lot to work on according to mike Babcock.

Well that is certainly open to interpretation. Being your version of over-ready isn't the same as Babcock's version of over-ready. All we know is that Babcock said he wants his players to be over-ready when discussing about Nylander. Meaning that it wouldn't matter if Nylander was NHL ready, he would've still been sent down.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Well that is certainly open to interpretation. Being your version of over-ready isn't the same as Babcock's version of over-ready. All we know is that Babcock said he wants his players to be over-ready when discussing about Nylander. Meaning that it wouldn't matter if Nylander was NHL ready, he would've still been sent down.

Actually, all he said was he wants his young players over ready.

There's no mention of where he thinks Nylander lies on his readiness scale beside that he thinks he still has a lot to work on.

I'm not sure I follow why it's such an important quite atomos, Babcock could have said he wants his young players super duper ready, but without a comment on where he thinks Nylander is, the quote is meaningless.


Again, all we know is that Babcock said Nylander had a chance to earn a roster spot, he didn't earn a roster spot, and that Nylander still has a lot to work on.

 

[Atomos2]

Actually, all he said was he wants his young players over ready.

There's no mention of where he thinks Nylander lies on his readiness scale beside that he thinks he still has a lot to work on.

I'm not sure I follow why it's such an important quite atomos, Babcock could have said he wants his young players super duper ready, but without a comment on where he thinks Nylander is, the quote is meaningless.


Again, all we know is that Babcock said Nylander had a chance to earn a roster spot, he didn't earn a roster spot, and that Nylander still has a lot to work on.

It's an important quote because it's actually what he said. There's no interpretation needed. He wants his players over-ready. So to be on Babcock's team you'd have to be over-ready. That's what we know because that's what he said. Again Direct Babcock quote word for word: "We want our guys over-ready."

Not NHL ready (which he could've said if he wanted to) but over-ready.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

Babcock is a genius, he doesn't want to interfere with the possibility of Nylander actually doing good.

Let them finish last they need a player of Matthews calibre.

Nylander
Marner
Matthews

They'll finally have promise.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Actually, all he said was he wants his young players over ready.

There's no mention of where he thinks Nylander lies on his readiness scale beside that he thinks he still has a lot to work on.

I'm not sure I follow why it's such an important quite atomos, Babcock could have said he wants his young players super duper ready, but without a comment on where he thinks Nylander is, the quote is meaningless.


Again, all we know is that Babcock said Nylander had a chance to earn a roster spot, he didn't earn a roster spot, and that Nylander still has a lot to work on.

That's the way I see it to. There was a top six spot open and Nylander didn't show enough for the coaching staff to choose him over the other options.
I think most experienced coaches tend to favour experienced players over rookies unless the rookie clearly wins the spot and forces the coaches hand. Larkin and Ehlers both did that. Nylander didn't.
Doesn't mean either of them end up better it just means they're more NHL ready right now.

 

[Atomos2]

That's the way I see it to. There was a top six spot open and Nylander didn't show enough for the coaching staff to choose him over the other options.
I think most experienced coaches tend to favour experienced players over rookies unless the rookie clearly wins the spot and forces the coaches hand. Larkin and Ehlers both did that. Nylander didn't.
Doesn't mean either of them end up better it just means they're more NHL ready right now.

Well, Datsyuk and Helm were injured and Ehlers wasn't able to go to the AHL and is playing in a third line role so....

 

[BeleafInShanaplan]

Nylander is probably one of the best players in the ahl this year and the Marlies will be one of the best teams in the ahl in my opinion. Nylander with a full year there, brown, Kapanen, Percy, leipsic, etc etc etc

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Well, Datsyuk and Helm were injured and Ehlers wasn't able to go to the AHL and is playing in a third line role so....

Ehlers is on the second line atomos,

And are you suggesting detroits line up is easier to crack than torontos?

 

[Atomos2]

Ehlers is on the second line atomos,

And are you suggesting detroits line up is easier to crack than torontos?

When Babcock is the coach of Toronto, yes. But my mistake on Ehlers.

 

[bobbyt 91*]

Ehlers is on the second line atomos,

And are you suggesting detroits line up is easier to crack than torontos?

YES obv! they are not gong to stink it up this year there by better for a youngster, I am 100% confident that Larkin would be on the Marlies as well. Grabner is on the team FFS and Nylander>>>>>>Grabner, Boyes got a contract and Nylander>Boyes so looking at the big picture its obv that NYlander was AHL bound no matter what cuz the kid did every thing to earn a spot and had ZERO bobbles so?????
Its disgusting Holland in on the PP FFS

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

When Babcock is the coach of Toronto, yes. But my mistake on Ehlers.

That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

 

[Atomos2]

That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

Well you're the one who asked me. I thought that's what you wanted.

 

[Gamble9]

after the preseason game in buffalo babs came out and said the nylander and brown where his 2 best players the following day he said that he really likes these kids and some may make it brown and nylander never played another game for the leafs in preseason it seems that the plan was already set and they stopped playing them because it was becoming obvious that if they got time they where going to make the club so they got buried because they wanted to protect them from the tire fire which will be the acc all year long it's really not hard to read between the lines if you watched the games and take all his comments into context instead of only using the ones that help your agenda

 

[ps241]

As a non Toronto fan I think Nylander could have easily played for the Leafs this season. They are taking a different path for now to optimize his development but that doesn't mean he wasn't good enough. To me it is 100% a development strategy that I am not sure I agree with in William's case but it is what it is.

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Babcock coaching the Wings = all the Wings fans are aware of how he deals with prospects, compared to the "rest of the league".

Babcock coaching another team = wings fans pretend that the past 10 years didnt happend "just b/c".

 

[Cotton]

Babcock is a genius, he doesn't want to interfere with the possibility of Nylander actually doing good.

Let them finish last they need a player of Matthews calibre.

Nylander
Marner
Matthews

They'll finally have promise.

Nylander going to the AHL was the plan from the onset, management knew they would be bad and wanted to keep guys like Brown and Nylander away from that. Let him play the year as the top C on a winning team while the Leafs bottom out.

Babcock's he has a chance comment was just fluff. But even if he believed that I doubt it would of been allowed to happen anyway. He's NHL ready but they want him to marinate for another year because it wont hurt him.