The Iron Goalie
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Great start for Nylander, even though he + Matthews likely won't hold this pace I'd say 65-70pts is well within reach, maybe more. What a talent you guys are lucky to have him.
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Mitchy
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Reinhart has been pretty damn good so far in his career. He makes everyone around him better and on a team that isn't great possession wise, he sticks out very positively. Even if he doesn't reach his offensive ceiling, he's going to be an extremely valuable player, simply because his defensive play and hockey sense are so elite. He's quite underrated, really.
But yes, Nylander has been phenomenal. He somehow manages to exceed expectations every single time they are laid upon him.
Of course Interactif is one of the people making the Filatov remarks.
If he's a leafs fan, then it's forgivable. I didn't have too high an opinion of Nylander until I got to see them play in the 15-16 season.
No wonder The Winter Soldier is on there. Guy has been wrong constantly. We should consider it a good omen if he starts trashing leafs prospects.
Atomos2
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People who think this start is an anomaly for Nylander have not followed his history. In fact this is exactly what you would expect for him if you only considered the numbers. I have made a note of this trend several times in this thread before. Once Nylander gets used to the higher league he's been placed in, he dominates offensively.
Observe:
2013/14: First half year in SHL - 7pts in 22gms
2014/15: Next half year in SHL - 20pts in 21gms and after dominating goes to the AHL midseason
2014/15: First half year in AHL - 32pts in 37gms
2015/16: Next half year in AHL - 45pts in 38gms and after dominating goes to the NHL midseason
2015/16: First half year in NHL - 13pts in 22 gms
2016/17: Next half year in NHL - 9pts in 6gms
Where to next?
People talk like the NHL is a different animal, and maybe it is for some people, but this trend just shows that Nylander's production is right on schedule.
EDIT
Looks like tigercool mentioned the trend before me well done.
Observe:
2013/14: First half year in SHL - 7pts in 22gms
2014/15: Next half year in SHL - 20pts in 21gms and after dominating goes to the AHL midseason
2014/15: First half year in AHL - 32pts in 37gms
2015/16: Next half year in AHL - 45pts in 38gms and after dominating goes to the NHL midseason
2015/16: First half year in NHL - 13pts in 22 gms
2016/17: Next half year in NHL - 9pts in 6gms
Where to next?
People talk like the NHL is a different animal, and maybe it is for some people, but this trend just shows that Nylander's production is right on schedule.
EDIT
Looks like tigercool mentioned the trend before me
well done.
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That guy is obviously a through and through leafs hater. There's not a single one of our top prospects he hasn't trashed or talked down. Painfully obvious. Put him on my ignore list and its made the boards much more barable.
I was a little disappointed to see willy jump over that shot, but I'm simultaneously relieved because that thing was a rocket. Could have broken a bone the way he was approaching him.
leaflover
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They're such different players they're hard to compare. Reinhart will be a leader in the future and provide a substantial contribution in every area except physical play. Even as a 16 year old with his older brother Max on the team, Sam took a leadership role with the Ice.
I think to people who appreciate the less heralded but still important areas of the game their overall value will be close.
TDK67
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It's amazing how current top Leafs prospects always seem to remind non-Leafs fans of high profile busts. I'm sure everyone is being objective when making those assessments so it must just be a weird coincidence.
It's a shame we've got the new Corey Locke, Nikita Filatov & Patrick Stefan in Marner, Nylander & Matthews. Hope the Leafs trade those scrubs while they can still get a 4th or 5th rounder for any of them.
It's a shame we've got the new Corey Locke, Nikita Filatov & Patrick Stefan in Marner, Nylander & Matthews. Hope the Leafs trade those scrubs while they can still get a 4th or 5th rounder for any of them.
The only issue with Nylsnder getting rookie of the year is on the same team as Auston Mathews
As a Leaf fan I'm so happy about the unfounded prima donna concerns/ turbulent draft year that led to getting a top-3 talent at 8th. Even just looking back and statline scouting it's ridiculous, in his "bad" year his stint at Sodertalje is 4th overall for alltime Allvenskan U-18 scoring in only 17 games. For context, in 17 games he outscored Filip Forsbergs 43 game draft year. His PPG from that absolutely crushes, there are no comparables.
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As well as he's played and as amazing as his chemistry with Matthews has been, his greatest attribute might be his sick flow bro.
Seriously though, he's precision and crafty, a pure offensive assassin
Seriously though, he's precision and crafty, a pure offensive assassin
Anyone remember how pissed Don Cherry was that the Leafs picked Nylander over BIG OL CANADIAN BOY NICK RITCHIE?
Point producer, great. Wait until he gets pushed around in the playoffs and come on, he literally jumped out of the way of Stamkos' shot. You need guys willing to sacrifice the body if you want to win a cup
Anyone remember how pissed Don Cherry was that the Leafs picked Nylander over BIG OL CANADIAN BOY NICK RITCHIE?
ah yes 7 points in 41 games Nick Rithcie what a stud.
We all know cherry is going to pick this up on saturday night, i dont want him blocking a shot ever same with Marner (who leads in blocks on the leafs) and Matthews. So many time a star player gets hurt blocking a shot. People talk about NHL being low scoring, no wonder when every great offensive prospect or player is forced to become a 2 way guy, it really gets on my nerves let them go score and be average d.
Score points and be average defensively..!? Have you not realized that it takes more than a bunch of goal scorers to win a cup?
Patmac40
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Do you realize that if you don't score goals then you won't win games at all?
Nylander's strength defensively isn't the sacrificing of the body for blocking shots but he can learn to do that. He has very good instincts and is deft at stripping the puck from opponents. That alone makes him valuable in his own end.
gretskidoo
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Any old trash player can block shots. People only ever bring it up to put players they don't like down for a reason.
Nithoniniel
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We are just coming off a postseason where Kessel almost won a Conn Smythe. You'd think something like that would mean people stopped with the "you can't win with..." kind of comments.
Nylander is also not as limited to offense as Kessel. His transition game and neutral zone defense is better, so is his coverage defensively and his board work. So Nylander is not quite as impossible to win with as Stanley Cup champion, Conn Smythe candidate Kessel.
Should he not have jumped out of the way? Sure. One isolated event doesn't really tell us much of anything though.
Nylander is also not as limited to offense as Kessel. His transition game and neutral zone defense is better, so is his coverage defensively and his board work. So Nylander is not quite as impossible to win with as Stanley Cup champion, Conn Smythe candidate Kessel.
Should he not have jumped out of the way? Sure. One isolated event doesn't really tell us much of anything though.
Diamond Joe Quimby
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Anyone remember how pissed Don Cherry was that the Leafs picked Nylander over BIG OL CANADIAN BOY NICK RITCHIE?
Came to post this....left satisfied.
TheBeastCoast
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Yeah Phil kessel did nothing to help the penguins win the cup and he isn't close to average defensively. Average is the exact middle of a group of numbers, which I think Nylander has been, also numerous times he's been good defensively (a lot more than bad) there aren't 20 post about it here. That one play is below average by the way I agree but for a player who has never really had to block an NHL shot he didn't react properly he will learn. As for "takes more than a bunch of goal scorers" who else is pure offence no defence on the leafs? Jvr I guess but he is on a different line.
To see a player jump out of the way like Nylander did was completely embarrassing and it just goes to show that he isn't willing to do whatever it takes to win.
Patmac40
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Well I'm glad we were able to draw that conclusion from a single play this early in his career. I guess we can just cut him now and move on.
Have you EVER seen a player double flamingo like he did? It was brutal. He has just 1 hit on the season and only 3 blocked shots.
Patmac40
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Yes I have actually. I'm not really worried about it, if the staff has an issue they'll talk to him and he can have a better feel for blocking a shot against one of the most lethal one timers in the game.
He's also tied for 4th in points right now in the league. He's doing something right.
So you are under the impression that the Chicago Blackhawks would have more Stanley cups if leading scorer in the entire NHL Patrick Kane sacrificed offence to be better defensively? Do you agree patrick Kane should be diving in front of Shea Weber to block a slap shot from the point?
