C/W Marat Khusnutdinov (2020, 37th, MIN)

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This is the last year of his contract correct? Wonder if they should try and convince him to come to the AHL before he gets tricked into another 3-4 years.
 
If anything being tricked is being lured into the AHL instead of the KHL.

Something got lost in translation here?

But while I typed this I remembered that you are against any prospect going to NA unless they have achieved superstardom in Russia first right?
 
This is the last year of his contract correct? Wonder if they should try and convince him to come to the AHL before he gets tricked into another 3-4 years.

Given the success of Kaprizov's approach, develop in the KHL (while getting paid) and be a hometown hero, come over to the NHL and play one full year before getting paid huge money. Why would any high caliber Russian prospects do it any differently? Setting aside Michkov, who will likely get big money straight away, Kaprizov provided a pretty compelling road map hor high end Russian prospects.
 
Given the success of Kaprizov's approach, develop in the KHL (while getting paid) and be a hometown hero, come over to the NHL and play one full year before getting paid huge money. Why would any high caliber Russian prospects do it any differently? Setting aside Michkov, who will likely get big money straight away, Kaprizov provided a pretty compelling road map hor high end Russian prospects.

It’s not a good business move. By staying in the KHL instead of going to the NHL you are losing potentially millions in your career and you risk injury while not yet on a long-term NHL contract.
 
Something got lost in translation here?

But while I typed this I remembered that you are against any prospect going to NA unless they have achieved superstardom in Russia first right?
It has nothing to do with any superstardom, but rather with how many failed after going before they were NHL ready. NHL ready is not superstardom in Russia. Prospect development is not a department of mathematical statistics too. Some players might be not ready physically, some mentally, some just need playing time in the KHL(and it is superior over playing time in the AHL) rather than being thrown on NHL ice too early.

This particular case is a player who is with a good KHL org that gives him regular playing time in the KHL. There is no reason whatsoever for him to spend any time in the AHL. I don't understand the obsession of getting the player to play in the AHL early. It's the same as suggesting that moving somewhere to play in the VHL would be a good development option for him.
 
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It’s not a good business move. By staying in the KHL instead of going to the NHL you are losing potentially millions in your career and you risk injury while not yet on a long-term NHL contract.
Where is your logic?

You don't risk injury in any of the minor leagues in NA? What millions? The ELC ones?:sarcasm:
 
Where is your logic?

You don't risk injury in any of the minor leagues in NA? What millions? The ELC ones?:sarcasm:

Panarin got millions on his ELC, Khusnutdinov isn't Panarin though. Even Kaprizov couldn't earn A bonuses. He could have earned them if he had someone like prime Kane beside, but alas.
 
Panarin got millions on his ELC, Khusnutdinov isn't Panarin though. Even Kaprizov couldn't earn A bonuses. He could have earned them if he had someone like prime Kane beside, but alas.
Compared to KHL money top young guys are now getting those ELC boni(you have to forgive my linguistic grudge here. "Bonuses" just makes me angry:laugh:) aren't that impressive. And as you pointed out not easy to get at all. The regular ELC money is what they get. Everything else is in the stars.
 
Compared to KHL money top young guys are now getting those ELC boni(you have to forgive my linguistic grudge here. "Bonuses" just makes me angry:laugh:) aren't that impressive. And as you pointed out not easy to get at all. The regular ELC money is what they get. Everything else is in the stars.

Even with NA taxes and escrow the ELC salary is still about half of a contact i.e. about 30-35M rubles. I doubt Khusnutdinov earns as much in the KHL. AHL money is a different story though.
 
Even with NA taxes and escrow the ELC salary is still about half of a contact i.e. about 30-35M rubles. I doubt Khusnutdinov earns as much in the KHL. AHL money is a different story though.
Question is what he would get next year in the KHL. If he continues his great play why wouldn't he get offered 30-35M?
 
It has nothing to do with any superstardom, but rather with how many failed after going before they were NHL ready. NHL ready is not superstardom in Russia. Prospect development is not a department of mathematical statistics too. Some players might be not ready physically, some mentally, some just need playing time in the KHL(and it is superior over playing time in the AHL) rather than being thrown on NHL ice too early.

This particular case is a player who is with a good KHL org that gives him regular playing time in the KHL. There is no reason whatsoever for him to spend any time in the AHL. I don't understand the obsession of getting the player to play in the AHL early. It's the same as suggesting that moving somewhere to play in the VHL would be a good development option for him.


If it's one more year in Russia after this then a move to NA if he is ready it might be in his best interest instead of a 3 year contract in Russia and that's the point, his interest.
 
If he continues his great play, he could make a case for making the NHL roster next year.
Let's wait and see how it plays out for guys who did it this year. There are a couple. I am not very optimistic while the narrative is the same. People keep telling me they are going to be in the NHL, while I can see them waste a lot of valuable development time in the minors instead.

Marchenko is way ahead of Khusnutdinov in development. He might be ready next year. He might.
 
If it's one more year in Russia after this then a move to NA if he is ready it might be in his best interest instead of a 3 year contract in Russia and that's the point, his interest.
Minnesota did put themselves in a position where they might be nearly forced to give him a spot. I give you that. Otherwise I don't see any wrongs with a couple of years more in the K.
 
Where is your logic?

You don't risk injury in any of the minor leagues in NA? What millions? The ELC ones?:sarcasm:
I have to apologize for some reason I thought this was Matvei Michkov’s thread whenever I responded to it.

However, I think if you have the talent to go into the NHL straight away, you should do that. You will almost certainly make more money on an ELC with bonuses. In Marat’s case, I think developing in the KHL is a very good move because he would probably need to spend time in the minors regardless. I actually do agree that it might make more sense for him to take the Kaprizov move and wait for a shorter ELC.
 
I can't see Guerin guaranteeing Marat a spot in the NHL if he comes over before next season. Spots are earned during training camp. What if he comes over for training camp, and a player like Beckman, Rossi, Khovanov, or Dewar looks clearly better? How would it go down in the dressing room, and in the whole organization, if he was treated differently than everyone else?

Mennel wasn't given a one way contract by Guerin, even after leading the AHL and KHL in PPG for Dmen in successive years. This is a local MN kid brought up 5 miles away from where the Wild play, who wanted nothing more than to play in the NHL for MN.
 
I can't see Guerin guaranteeing Marat a spot in the NHL if he comes over before next season. Spots are earned during training camp. What if he comes over for training camp, and a player like Beckman, Rossi, Khovanov, or Dewar looks clearly better? How would it go down in the dressing room, and in the whole organization, if he was treated differently than everyone else?

Mennel wasn't given a one way contract by Guerin, even after leading the AHL and KHL in PPG for Dmen in successive years. This is a local MN kid brought up 5 miles away from where the Wild play, who wanted nothing more than to play in the NHL for MN.
I doubt he'd be handed a spot by any means, but he should have a clear route to snagging one of he's up to the task.

If not I think either the KHL or AHL would be fine places to keep developing, though if he goes the KHL route I'd hope it isn't on a 3-year extension.
 
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I doubt he'd be handed a spot by any means, but he should have a clear route to snagging one of he's up to the task.

If not I think either the KHL or AHL would be fine places to keep developing, though if he goes the KHL route I'd hope it isn't on a 3-year extension.
There is a difference between having a good chance of earning a NHL job, and being handed one.

If Marat signs a 3 year KHL deal...oof.
 
He will probably get/sign 2 years just like Marchenko and Morozov. They are on a very similar career path.
 
There is a difference between having a good chance of earning a NHL job, and being handed one.

If Marat signs a 3 year KHL deal...oof.

I dont think it would be that big of a deal. Maybe one year too long to be overseas, but at least we would know he is being properly developed. I think the stability of staying in the KHL would help Marat.

On the other hand, Marat is trending up as a prospect so maybe he is closer to NHL ready than previously thought.
 
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I dont think it would be that big of a deal. Maybe one year too long to be overseas, but at least we would know he is being properly developed.
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You are a much more patient man than I. To not even get a sniff of a guy you drafted early in the 2nd till the D+5 year is a big oof to me.
 
I can't see Guerin guaranteeing Marat a spot in the NHL if he comes over before next season. Spots are earned during training camp. What if he comes over for training camp, and a player like Beckman, Rossi, Khovanov, or Dewar looks clearly better? How would it go down in the dressing room, and in the whole organization, if he was treated differently than everyone else?

Mennel wasn't given a one way contract by Guerin, even after leading the AHL and KHL in PPG for Dmen in successive years. This is a local MN kid brought up 5 miles away from where the Wild play, who wanted nothing more than to play in the NHL for MN.

Well, I don't remember Kaprizov was earning his spot in the camp. He was basically a starter from the start.
 
Well, I don't remember Kaprizov was earning his spot in the camp. He was basically a starter from the start.

If Marat spends the next four years in the KHL and generates the type of track record Kaprizov did, Marat likely won't have to "earn" his spot either.
 

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