C/W Brad Lambert (2022, 30th, WPG) Part 3

[Svedu]

Maybe those guys should have spent some time in the AHL or CHL too (or both)

I think a problem is that Liga is so weak that decent 18 year old players look better than they are playing in it.

If I were a good Finnish 15 year old, I'd get over to North America ASAP.

Yeah, you have the truth. Barkov, Laine, Heiskanen, Aho, Lundell says hello...

If anything, facts show you are nothing but wrong. But I don't want to have a black or white perspective on things because that's not constructive.
Maccelli went the other way and seems to be building a good career for himself. With that said, did you see what I did there? Your opinions are just like mine, subjective. Keep that in mind. The thing is that you on the other hand seem to neglect stats and facts just because you want to be right or have the last word. I' ll give that to you.

 

[Svedu]

Every NHL front office disagrees with you, but whatever. What do they know?

Also, let's not forget you stated that Perfetti was or is better than Lundell. In no way has he ever shown to be better or even as good as Lundell. Perhaps not even close either if you watch their won titles and compare. Lundell has always been a important piece in those title winning teams.
Also, he's shown he can score in every Finnish national team he has represented, in Liiga and actually? As a defensive specialist and third center? You can't do much better than what he has accomplished. I bet your wingers would rather have him up there with Scheifele or your second C behind him.

 

[Buffdog]

Also, let's not forget you stated that Perfetti was or is better than Lundell. In no way has he ever shown to be better or even as good as Lundell. Perhaps not even close either if you watch their won titles and compare. Lundell has always been a important piece in those title winning teams.
Also, he's shown he can score in every Finnish national team he has represented, in Liiga and actually? As a defensive specialist and third center? You can't do much better than what he has accomplished. I bet your wingers would rather have him up there with Scheifele or your second C behind him.

Actually, I said Perfetti will be better than Lundell

Yeah, you have the truth. Barkov, Laine, Heiskanen, Aho, Lundell says hello...

If anything, facts show you are nothing but wrong. But I don't want to have a black or white perspective on things because that's not constructive.
Maccelli went the other way and seems to be building a good career for himself. With that said, did you see what I did there? Your opinions are just like mine, subjective. Keep that in mind. The thing is that you on the other hand seem to neglect stats and facts just because you want to be right or have the last word. I' ll give that to you.

Aside from Barkov, all those guys are good but not great. If that's the best you have to make an argument, I'm not sure what to say

 

[Svedu]

Actually, I said Perfetti will be better than Lundell


Aside from Barkov, all those guys are good but not great. If that's the best you have to make an argument, I'm not sure what to say

Whatever dude. You are speculating and there isn't anything that indicates that you will be right, not now and not before.

Again, whatever. I would pick all those guys before Scheifele without blinking. And that's like your best player for the last decade. A player that made your potentially best goalscorer in a long time feel unsettled so much he wanted a trade. What can I say? I'm laughing right now.
Let me guess, you probably think Scheifele is better than Barkov, Aho, Rantanen and Heiskanen?

Those players made it without AHL or the junior leagues in NA. That was the point.

 

[Buffdog]

Whatever dude. You are speculating and there isn't anything that indicates that you will be right, not now and not before.

Again, whatever. I would pick all those guys before Scheifele without blinking. And that's like your best player for the last decade. A player that made your potentially best goalscorer in a long time feel unsettled so much he wanted a trade. What can I say? I'm laughing right now.
Let me guess, you probably think Scheifele is better than Barkov, Aho, Rantanen and Heiskanen?

Those players made it without AHL or the junior leagues in NA. That was the poi

Strawman much?

I'm on record on HFJets as saying that Schief isn't a good enough 1C at this point in his career to make the Jets contenders.

You guessed wrong

 

[Baksfamous112]

Actually, I said Perfetti will be better than Lundell


Aside from Barkov, all those guys are good but not great. If that's the best you have to make an argument, I'm not sure what to say

Heinskanen and Aho are good but not great? Probably top 10 C and D in this league.

Not sure what you’re on but I want some.

 

[Bender Duster]

I’m having flashbacks of reading the Jets boards circa 2016-2020.

 

[Hntz]

Maybe keep the topic on Lambert? I’m not super happy with the Heinola situation, but let’s not pretend there is some anti-finnish agenda in Winnipeg lol.

Anyways glad Lambert is showing some promise. Do Jets fans think he’ll make the top-6/9 this year?

 

[Shlep]

Drafting on talent alone without considering position gets you a nifty pile of left wings.

The coaches will leave because a nifty pile of left wings isn't a team. The younger left wings will be disgruntled because there's no openings for them. The fans will leave because the dysfunction is hard to cheer (and pay) for.

Yes, this is dramatized but there's plenty of truth in it.

Perfetti was drafted as a center.

 

[Shlep]

Actually, I said Perfetti will be better than Lundell


Aside from Barkov, all those guys are good but not great. If that's the best you have to make an argument, I'm not sure what to say

Heiskanen being good but not great is probably the worst take in this thread. I also believe that Perfetti is and will continue to be better than Lundell though, and I'm a big fan of Lundell.

 

[just a hockey fan]

Maybe those guys should have spent some time in the AHL or CHL too (or both)

I think a problem is that Liga is so weak that decent 18 year old players look better than they are playing in it.

If I were a good Finnish 15 year old, I'd get over to North America ASAP.

I love how consistently new people here show their weird hate and disrespect towards Finns and Finland. Finnish posters here really can't say anything because it'll turn into this type of bs... really sad and unfortunate for the Finns on this site

 

[lanky]

Perfetti was drafted as a center.

What does that mean? He played LW in his draft year.

 

[Peasy]

I love how consistently new people here show their weird hate and disrespect towards Finns and Finland. Finnish posters here really can't say anything because it'll turn into this type of bs... really sad and unfortunate for the Finns on this site

And saying a single team is the reason why a player(s) didnt make it is equally as stupid.

Every nationality has players that dont live up to their expectations on every team in the league.

Why did Borgstrom not have a long NHL career when he was drafted by the great Finnish drafting team and player development of the Florida Panthers?

 

[NA Hockey]

What does that mean? He played LW in his draft year.

He played mostly centre in his draft year. In fact exclusively until mid January that season. Meaning he played September, October, November, December and part of January as a centre and then the team traded for Suzuki. After the trade for Suzuki they played together for the remaining two months until Covid shut down the season. While playing together they shared the role of centre on the line though Suzuki took most of the faceoffs.

 

[Fatass]

Exciting player with the puck. The other 95% of his time on ice is a struggle. Will be difficult for him to gain the trust of an NHL coach.

 

[Svedu]

And saying a single team is the reason why a player(s) didnt make it is equally as stupid.

Every nationality has players that dont live up to their expectations on every team in the league.

Why did Borgstrom not have a long NHL career when he was drafted by the great Finnish drafting team and player development of the Florida Panthers?

Bad example to be fair.
Because Borgström never had it in him. Or I should rather write that he was a hot take and there was never a Finnish majority amongst experts and fans believing he would be a certified good pick especially a first rounder when overaged. Never did he show something special in Finland either. His WJC were straight out bad. Didn't play in the Liiga.
Yeah, his time in the NCAA was successful but didn't he play with two future NHLers in Denver? Troy Terry and Gambrell?
I mean Pulkkinen is the same kind of prospect for me. But at least a D and a lot bigger so perhaps worth the risk of taking him in later rounds or even the second, who knows.
I mean Hyry is a good example as well. Not even drafted and even if he's a risk he's still worth the chance because of some worth mentioning merits like the mens WC and a good season in Liiga. Borgström has never even represented Finland in a WC like Hyry.

Also, a point worth mentioning? How come no European players have found any success worth mentioning since Ehlers? With Jets that is. Forget the Finnish perspective for a while, think about it.
Neither Niederretier nor Namestnikov were drafted by the Jets and I wouldn't state that their time while at Jets has been anything special or a success.
So if anything, this is a lot more relevant thing to mention than your Borgström example. And you probably know it.

Last but not least. I almost feel like Lambert, Salomonsson, Chibrikov and Heinola need to pan out to prove me wrong and that the Jets are doing something right with their European prospects. Or at least half of them. Why I'm mentioning these prospects are also because of their talent level. They are a couple of the Jets most promising prospects overall.

Also, you wrote this "All this talk about savoie being disappointing is hilarious considering all the talk this summer about how amazing of a spec he is a what a steal of a trade that was for Edmonton (I wasn't of this opinion)
People really just look at where someone was drafted and make an entire opinion on that."

Just because you think everyone or a majority does that doesn't make it more true. And that Borgström example was another indicator in you assuming things without knowing or asking and showing that you genuinely want to understand other posters before drawing assumptions.

 

[Pongs21]

Put on 8lbs of lean muscle this summer apparently and has looked heads and shoulders above the other prospects at the prospects tournament. Hoping he gets a real look at camp this year, 2c or atleast in the top 9 as a winger. He's put the time in, has done everything he's been asked of and is presenting with the attitude you'd hope for. Thinking him and Heinola are going to make some noise for the Jets this year.

 

[Svedu]

Put on 8lbs of lean muscle this summer apparently and has looked heads and shoulders above the other prospects at the prospects tournament. Hoping he gets a real look at camp this year, 2c or atleast in the top 9 as a winger. He's put the time in, has done everything he's been asked of and is presenting with the attitude you'd hope for. Thinking him and Heinola are going to make some noise for the Jets this year.

Love to read this. Thanks.

 

[Huffer]

Bad example to be fair.
Because Borgström never had it in him. Or I should rather write that he was a hot take and there was never a Finnish majority amongst experts and fans believing he would be a certified good pick especially a first rounder when overaged. Never did he show something special in Finland either. His WJC were straight out bad. Didn't play in the Liiga.
Yeah, his time in the NCAA was successful but didn't he play with two future NHLers in Denver? Troy Terry and Gambrell?
I mean Pulkkinen is the same kind of prospect for me. But at least a D and a lot bigger so perhaps worth the risk of taking him in later rounds or even the second, who knows.
I mean Hyry is a good example as well. Not even drafted and even if he's a risk he's still worth the chance because of some worth mentioning merits like the mens WC and a good season in Liiga. Borgström has never even represented Finland in a WC like Hyry.

Also, a point worth mentioning? How come no European players have found any success worth mentioning since Ehlers? With Jets that is. Forget the Finnish perspective for a while, think about it.
Neither Niederretier nor Namestnikov were drafted by the Jets and I wouldn't state that their time while at Jets has been anything special or a success.
So if anything, this is a lot more relevant thing to mention than your Borgström example. And you probably know it.

Last but not least. I almost feel like Lambert, Salomonsson, Chibrikov and Heinola need to pan out to prove me wrong and that the Jets are doing something right with their European prospects. Or at least half of them. Why I'm mentioning these prospects are also because of their talent level. They are a couple of the Jets most promising prospects overall.

1st Bold: Since Ehlers the Europeans the Jets have taken in the 1st and 2nd are:

Laine: 1st: great for the Jets

Vesalainen: 1st: Bust, and he hasn't proven it's not on him since leaving the Jets

Gustafsson: 2nd: Pretty much developed as you would expect as a low scoring late 2nd round pick. He's shown decent ability to be a 4th line checking / PK player.

Heinola: 1st: Has developed in the AHL and needed to improve defensively. Likely makes the team last year but broke his ankle. Development is fine.

Lundmark: 2nd: A low scoring right handed defensive defenseman. Has played some decent seasons on the Moose, and now needs to beat out NHL vet Colin Miller for the 3rd pair RHD. Development is fine.

Torgersson: 2nd: Was probably a reach and they thought he was on an upward trajectory. Hasn't put it together after 2 seasons in the AHL. Still 22 but 9 points last year is telling. He's had opportunity.

Chibrikov: 2nd: Was getting next to no playing time in Russia (great development right?), then came to play in the AHL last year and played 70 games with 47 points. Plays pretty feisty and could be a depth guy for sure. Was given opportunity and did well.

Lambert: 1st: bounced around in Finland before getting drafted and struggled. D+1 the Jets bring him to the AHL, and then decide, you know what, this kid really needs to have some time playing with his peers. They make the decision to send him to the WHL and he thrives. Comes back the next season and is an AHL all star.

Salomonsson: 2nd: Just played his D+1 in Sweden and will now most likely play in the AHL to develop further.

Freij: 2nd: Playing his D+1 in Sweden

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While I wouldn't have minded seeing Heinola get more NHL ice time here and there, none of the above were mishandled, and Chibrikov and Lambert were moved from poor situations into good situations by the Jets.


2nd bolded: Tell me you don't watch the Jets and know nothing about the team without telling me. lol.

Niederreiter has played 1.5 seasons and has put up pretty much the same points per year he has been his whole career, and he's been playing on a checking line as well, playing against other teams top lines more often than not.

Namestnikov has been with the team for 1.5 seasons as well and has been a very good swiss army knife type player. He played a lot of last season as the 2C and did ok. His P60 is near the highest it's been in his career. Last year was probably his best season since 2017-2018.

Neither of those guys are stars, but they've done all you can expect at their ages and past history for the Jets and even more. The fact you think those are "gotchas", shows you don't watch the Jets and know anything about those players.

 

[Svedu]

1st Bold: Since Ehlers the Europeans the Jets have taken in the 1st and 2nd are:

Laine: 1st: great for the Jets

Vesalainen: 1st: Bust, and he hasn't proven it's not on him since leaving the Jets

Gustafsson: 2nd: Pretty much developed as you would expect as a low scoring late 2nd round pick. He's shown decent ability to be a 4th line checking / PK player.

Heinola: 1st: Has developed in the AHL and needed to improve defensively. Likely makes the team last year but broke his ankle. Development is fine.

Lundmark: 2nd: A low scoring right handed defensive defenseman. Has played some decent seasons on the Moose, and now needs to beat out NHL vet Colin Miller for the 3rd pair RHD. Development is fine.

Torgersson: 2nd: Was probably a reach and they thought he was on an upward trajectory. Hasn't put it together after 2 seasons in the AHL. Still 22 but 9 points last year is telling. He's had opportunity.

Chibrikov: 2nd: Was getting next to no playing time in Russia (great development right?), then came to play in the AHL last year and played 70 games with 47 points. Plays pretty feisty and could be a depth guy for sure. Was given opportunity and did well.

Lambert: 1st: bounced around in Finland before getting drafted and struggled. D+1 the Jets bring him to the AHL, and then decide, you know what, this kid really needs to have some time playing with his peers. They make the decision to send him to the WHL and he thrives. Comes back the next season and is an AHL all star.

Salomonsson: 2nd: Just played his D+1 in Sweden and will now most likely play in the AHL to develop further.

Freij: 2nd: Playing his D+1 in Sweden

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While I wouldn't have minded seeing Heinola get more NHL ice time here and there, none of the above were mishandled, and Chibrikov and Lambert were moved from poor situations into good situations by the Jets.


2nd bolded: Tell me you don't watch the Jets and know nothing about the team without telling me. lol.

Niederreiter has played 1.5 seasons and has put up pretty much the same points per year he has been his whole career, and he's been playing on a checking line as well, playing against other teams top lines more often than not.

Namestnikov has been with the team for 1.5 seasons as well and has been a very good swiss army knife type player. He played a lot of last season as the 2C and did ok. His P60 is near the highest it's been in his career. Last year was probably his best season since 2017-2018.

Neither of those guys are stars, but they've done all you can expect at their ages and past history for the Jets and even more. The fact you think those are "gotchas", shows you don't watch the Jets and know anything about those players.

Such an effort. To make me laugh. Thank you. If you've shown anything with your posts is that you are literally d*ck**ding the Jets like it would be a sect or something.
You have answers to everything and not a single one proves me wrong with the Ehlers take. No matter how you twist and turn how the Jets and especially Maurice, Scheifele and Wheeler handled the situation with Laine in a bad way. He was the Jets youngest star for a season or two. I wouldn't state that he's a success for the Jets because of one: His short time with your franchise. The second being that you obviously couldn't handle him. Third and the most important factor of all that actually ridicule your statements and opinions? He came and delivered in his first season. I no single way was Jets the answer to his success. If anything you tried to mold him to something he isn't and his stats shows exactly that. His confidence showed that too. Some of your elder player perhaps thought he was cocky but his attitude and confidence was a big part of his success together with his shot. The right decision would have been to choose Laine before Wheeler because of the simple fact that you like to mention? Ceiling. Wheeler never had that it factor in him in any way. He had two seasons with over 80 points and his center was Scheifele? While the best center Laine got to play with was who, Little? A good center but he didn't even center Laine every season? And then what? He had Stastny for a short period and guess what? That was Stastnys best period in his NHL career and Laine produced very good in that years playoffs.

Laine has always been, if handled right, a PP-specialist. He is that sniper that you'd welcome to every PP with a decent playmaker. Like in every Finnish team and the first year in your PP. But your organization didn't show enough appreciation for him nor made the right decisions so suit yourselves.

But yeah, keep on making up answers and facts to why Jets always handle everything in a great way and why all their europeans have succeeded in the best way they could. Lol!

Last but not least, this thread is about Lambert. So just please let me know, what would be a success for Lambert and the Jets? Which level does he need to reach? And how is he supposed to do that in the best way? Explain that. Because you seem to have all the answers and also stating that the Jets have been flawless with every European prospect considering their actual talent level. While I beg to differ and call that complete made up BS. Educate us, go ahead.

Forgot to mention Spacek before. Clearly a good prospect when playing in the WHL. Has been more than good in Europe. Had a decent first year with the Moose and then what? Oh let me guess, the Jets handled him perfectly just like with all their other europeans?

 

[Buffdog]

Such an effort. To make me laugh. Thank you. If you've shown anything with your posts is that you are literally d*ck**ding the Jets like it would be a sect or something.
You have answers to everything and not a single one proves me wrong with the Ehlers take. No matter how you twist and turn how the Jets and especially Maurice, Scheifele and Wheeler handled the situation with Laine in a bad way. He was the Jets youngest star for a season or two. I wouldn't state that he's a success for the Jets because of one: His short time with your franchise. The second being that you obviously couldn't handle him. Third and the most important factor of all that actually ridicule your statements and opinions? He came and delivered in his first season. I no single way was Jets the answer to his success. If anything you tried to mold him to something he isn't and his stats shows exactly that. His confidence showed that too. Some of your elder player perhaps thought he was cocky but his attitude and confidence was a big part of his success together with his shot. The right decision would have been to choose Laine before Wheeler because of the simple fact that you like to mention? Ceiling. Wheeler never had that it factor in him in any way. He had two seasons with over 80 points and his center was Scheifele? While the best center Laine got to play with was who, Little? A good center but he didn't even center Laine every season? And then what? He had Stastny for a short period and guess what? That was Stastnys best period in his NHL career and Laine produced very good in that years playoffs.

Laine has always been, if handled right, a PP-specialist. He is that sniper that you'd welcome to every PP with a decent playmaker. Like in every Finnish team and the first year in your PP. But your organization didn't show enough appreciation for him nor made the right decisions so suit yourselves.

But yeah, keep on making up answers and facts to why Jets always handle everything in a great way and why all their europeans have succeeded in the best way they could. Lol!

Last but not least, this thread is about Lambert. So just please let me know, what would be a success for Lambert and the Jets? Which level does he need to reach? And how is he supposed to do that in the best way? Explain that. Because you seem to have all the answers and also stating that the Jets have been flawless with every European prospect considering their actual talent level. While I beg to differ and call that complete made up BS. Educate us, go ahead.

Success for Lambert (IMHO, not speaking for @Huffer ) would be productive 2C.

As I said earlier in this thread - the best way for him to do that is to continue what he's been doing - which, since getting out of Finland, is exactly what he should have been doing in the first place

For all this talk you give about the Jets mishandling European prospects, it's kind of ironic that it took Lambert getting out of Finland and into the Jets development system for him to actually progress towards the player he's capable of becoming

 

[Huffer]

Such an effort. To make me laugh. Thank you. If you've shown anything with your posts is that you are literally d*ck**ding the Jets like it would be a sect or something.
You have answers to everything and not a single one proves me wrong with the Ehlers take. No matter how you twist and turn the Jets and especially Maurice, Scheifele and Wheeler handled the situation with Laine in a bad way. He was the Jets youngest star for a season or two. I wouldn't state that he's a success for the Jets because of one: His short time with your franchise. The second being that you obviously couldn't handle him. Third and the most important factor of all that actually ridicule your statements and opinions? He came and delivered in his first season. I no single way was Jets the answer to his success. If anything you tried to mold him to something he isn't and his stats shows exactly that. His confidence showed that too. Some of your elder player perhaps thought he was cocky but his attitude and confidence was a big part of his success together with his shot. The right decision would have been to choose Laine before Wheeler because of the simple fact that you like to mention? Ceiling. Wheeler never had that it factor in him in any way. He had two seasons with over 80 points and his center was Scheifele? While the best center Laine got to play with was who, Little? A good center but he didn't even center Laine every season? And then what? He had Stastny for a short period and guess what? That was Stastnys best period in his NHL career and Laine produced very good in that years playoffs.

Laine has always been, if handled right, a PP-specialist. He is that sniper that you'd welcome to every PP with a decent playmaker. Like in every Finnish team and the first year in your PP. But your organization didn't show enough appreciation for him nor made the right decisions so suit yourselves.

But yeah, keep on making up answers and facts to why Jets always handle everything in a great way and why all their europeans have succeeded in the best way they could. Lol!

Ahhh, so you've moved over to the old, "Scheifele, Wheeler, and Maurice were the problem with Laine" angle now?

And it's not that the Jets just are big meanies that go out of their way to ruin Finnish talent?

"Let's hope the Jets doesn't ruin a Finnish talent once again... Laine, Heinola, Vesalainen, Kupari, Nikkanen... No matter the level of these prospects, Finnish prospects have been mishandled pretty darn good in the Jets system."

I've never said the Jets handle everything in a great way. They make a ton of mistakes like every other franchise. But what they don't do, because it would be absolutely stupid and make no sense to do, is purposely ruin any prospects development as it's in their own best interests for their prospects to be the best players they can be.

Nothing to say about all the Europeans taken in the 1st 2 rounds since Ehlers and their development?

Nothing to say about Niederreiter or Namestnikov after you strangely decided (incorrectly) that the Jets have mishandled them as well?

Edit: for Lambert I would agree with Buffdog. He's had a good year in the AHL playing centre. He's at a interesting point where he's playing well, and has a lot of NHL qualities (speed being tops). He could likely play in the NHL, but it's about role and opportunity, and about development. There's an outside chance he could beat out Namestnikov for the 2C role. Besides that though he's in the same situation as a lot of talented skill players around the league. If there isn't a spot in the top 6, and the team usually runs a checking line for the 3rd line, do you stick him on the 4th (and the Jets would need to make trades to make that happen), or do you give him another year at centre in the AHL to keep developing? He's definitly one of the guys on the edge at the moment.

Spacek was ok on the Moose for sure. He clearly wasn't making the 2017-2018 that went to the western conferance finals. He just wasn't better than other players the Jets already had. There are tons of Spaceks in every organization. Why didn't he get picked up by a different NHL team in 2020?

 

[Romang67]

What has Lambert done on NHL level so far? Not counting rookie camp/pre-season games? Until he's a NHL regular, you can't say he's really developed enough.

I can't? How did he do in Finland's pro league compared to the AHL? Seems Finns were overwhelmingly writing him off as a bust. Going from that to leading his AHL team in scoring in his draft+2 season strikes me as progression. Improvement. Development, even.

Developed enough? He seems to be penciled into the Jets lineup in his upcoming season. Otherwise it seems the argument against the Jets' having done a good job getting Lambert back on track comes down to "he's hasn't gotten to his draft+3 season yet."

If only they would have let him keep developing in Finland. That was going swimmingly.

 

[Svedu]

Success for Lambert (IMHO, not speaking for @Huffer ) would be productive 2C.

As I said earlier in this thread - the best way for him to do that is to continue what he's been doing - which, since getting out of Finland, is exactly what he should have been doing in the first place

For all this talk you give about the Jets mishandling European prospects, it's kind of ironic that it took Lambert getting out of Finland and into the Jets development system for him to actually progress towards the player he's capable of becoming

Finally a good and respectable answer. Yeah it's pretty ironic and you know what? I fully agree. Regarding Lambert he was totally misplaced in Finnish hockey and especially the kind of hockey that has been going on these last years.
But again, he's like the only one worth mentioning for the Jets? And on top of that? He hasn't made it yet. Also I would state that his ceiling considering his tools should be nothing less than a top6 no matter if he's a winger or a center. Anything under top 9 as a center would be a failure for the Jets development system and especially when they seem to have an average or week roster right now.

I mean was it you or mr. Huffpuffer who said that he has a higher ceiling than Perfetti? And then the same person stated that Perfettis ceiling is higher than Lundells. So what is Lamberts and Perfettis ceiling then? Just so I can memorize it for the future.
Let's not forget that Lundell is young and already a specialist in some way, a cup winner and more than a capable producer considering his ice time. Was it huff puffer who thought a young guys ceiling is already cemented as third center? In a roster that just won the Stanley cup as well? Like honestly, this is so funny that you can't make this sh*t up. Very hasty and bold statements.

 

[Romang67]

What about Heinola then? He was better than Byram, Drysdale and others in the same WJC's. And they were good as well but Heinola was special. He's the best Finnish D I've seen at that level. Heiskanen was so much younger than others so he didn't dominate in the offense in any special way. Niemelä was a beast as well.
So yeah, Jets are making something bad imho if Heinola can't at least become a decent NHLer.

Boy do in have bad news for you about the relationship between WJC performance and NHL performance.

Heinola was tracking to make the team last season. Then he broke his ankle. Then he didn't play well when he returned. The Jets got rid of two starting D-men this offseason. Ample space for him to make the team.