C Shane Wright - Kingston Frontenacs, OHL (2022, 4th, SEA) Part 3

[JohnLennon]

The season is so absurdly long that I wouldn't be concerned until perhaps a month went past.

Yeah, I could get behind that. Frankly I personally have a very patient approach to prospects, so it would take a lot to get me genuinely concerned.

 

[majormajor]

Yeah, I could get behind that. Frankly I personally have a very patient approach to prospects, so it would take a lot to get me genuinely concerned.

Yeah so much of their development is physical and mental growth, and a lot of tactical / technical training that they get in practice. We overfixate on games played.

Look at how much better Pavel Mintyukov was from 16 to 18, zero games played.

 

[Scomerica]

I asked this on the Kraken forum but not 100% sure still. Can a player be traded from the OHL to WHL (i'm guessing the answer is no but is there an exemption/waiver process)? i.e. could Wright be traded to the Thunderbirds/Silvertips? Would be a best of both worlds situation for now. Would still be able to be around the org/city on off days and I imagine the standard isn't too different between WHL and OHL.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I asked this on the Kraken forum but not 100% sure still. Can a player be traded from the OHL to WHL (i'm guessing the answer is no but is there an exemption/waiver process)? i.e. could Wright be traded to the Thunderbirds/Silvertips? Would be a best of both worlds situation for now. Would still be able to be around the org/city on off days and I imagine the standard isn't too different between WHL and OHL.

I don't think cross league trades can happen, might be wrong.

Kingston could always trade him, I'm sure Seattle could nudge the team a bit.

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

I don’t think it’s such a bad thing if they play him every second game and Seattle keeps him around until mid November then sends him back down. Gets to train with the NHL team and get a few games in. Heads back in time to play in the world juniors

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

I asked this on the Kraken forum but not 100% sure still. Can a player be traded from the OHL to WHL (i'm guessing the answer is no but is there an exemption/waiver process)? i.e. could Wright be traded to the Thunderbirds/Silvertips? Would be a best of both worlds situation for now. Would still be able to be around the org/city on off days and I imagine the standard isn't too different between WHL and OHL.

No, it's not possible to be traded. I believe for a player to go from one league to another they would have to pass through OHL waivers first.

 

[William H Bonney]

Scratched again

 

[Ace]

What is the point of him playing 6 minutes? Just send him to junior if you don't want him playing.

I remember those crazy days when he got 6 whole minutes.

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

I'm assuming Seattle is playing him in games they deemed to be weaker competition? Seems to be the only logic thus far.

Could also be trying to bide their time for a trade in junior, which they feel is not imminent?

For what it's worth, I don't have an issue with scratching a young gun, though I dunno if I'd go more than 1 game at a time.

 

[Ace]

Remember…Shane Wright famously thrives as a result of not getting games.

 

[Maitz]

When healthy scratched

 

[majormajor]

I'm assuming Seattle is playing him in games they deemed to be weaker competition? Seems to be the only logic thus far.

Could also be trying to bide their time for a trade in junior, which they feel is not imminent?

For what it's worth, I don't have an issue with scratching a young gun, though I dunno if I'd go more than 1 game at a time.

They want him to get the benefit of practicing with the big club and working with team trainers and skill coaches. Folks here seem to think that improvement comes from games but I think for an 18 year old forward more of it comes from practice and training and overall mental and physical maturity.

 

[NewEraGM]

I don’t think it’s such a bad thing if they play him every second game and Seattle keeps him around until mid November then sends him back down. Gets to train with the NHL team and get a few games in. Heads back in time to play in the world juniors

Hes missed so many games already I can’t imagine him missing half the games is a good idea

 

[93LEAFS]

They want him to get the benefit of practicing with the big club and working with team trainers and skill coaches. Folks here seem to think that improvement comes from games but I think for an 18 year old forward more of it comes from practice and training and overall mental and physical maturity.

I think it works best with a constant and solid routine. Like, honestly, just have your player development guys camp out in Kingston. The NHL grind really isn't built for player development, which is why most massive gains are made in the off-season where you work with individual skill/skating coaches and physical trainers. NHL practices are very overrated in this regard, the grind of the season doesn't allow for significant player development on this front. The travel is too intense and the games too draining. So, either go back to junior and work with private skill coaches and Seattle player development guys Monday to Thursday (as a crazy amount of OHL games are friday to sunday) or play him 3rd line minutes at a minimum.

 

[NewEraGM]

They want him to get the benefit of practicing with the big club and working with team trainers and skill coaches. Folks here seem to think that improvement comes from games but I think for an 18 year old forward more of it comes from practice and training and overall mental and physical maturity.

I disagree. He’s missed so many games already because of COVID …he needs games at this point. He’s basically played 70 games in 2 full calendar years. He doesn’t need more practice or skill coaching. He needs games.

 

[nbwingsfan]

They want him to get the benefit of practicing with the big club and working with team trainers and skill coaches. Folks here seem to think that improvement comes from games but I think for an 18 year old forward more of it comes from practice and training and overall mental and physical maturity.

Why don’t all teams just keep their best prospects up with the big club then?

 

[majormajor]

I think it works best with a constant and solid routine. Like, honestly, just have your player development guys camp out in Kingston. The NHL grind really isn't built for player development, which is why most massive gains are made in the off-season where you work with individual skill/skating coaches and physical trainers. NHL practices are very overrated in this regard, the grind of the season doesn't allow for significant player development on this front. The travel is too intense and the games too draining. So, either go back to junior and work with private skill coaches and Seattle player development guys Monday to Thursday (as a crazy amount of OHL games are friday to sunday) or play him 3rd line minutes at a minimum.

I agree that he should eventually go back to the OHL. It will give him a chance to step up his high end offense and creativity and be a little less boring. But if that starts in a month or two it won't matter.

I disagree. He’s missed so many games already because of COVID …he needs games at this point. He’s basically played 70 games in 2 full calendar years. He doesn’t need more practice or skill coaching. He needs games.

Nonsense. So many OHLers looked night and day from before the pandemic break. How do you think Mintyukov skyrocketed in that time? It's practice and training. Shane just did the wrong training and was out of shape last year but he's in shape right now and looks to be on track. He'll get his games, which are helpful but not the meat of the development process.

Why don’t all teams just keep their best prospects up with the big club then?

Well Shane will have to play, I'm not saying he should sit all year. But playing 9 games and being with the club trainers for another 9 would be fine.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I agree that he should eventually go back to the OHL. It will give him a chance to step up his high end offense and creativity and be a little less boring. But if that starts in a month or two it won't matter.



Nonsense. So many OHLers looked night and day from before the pandemic break. How do you think Mintyukov skyrocketed in that time? It's practice and training. Shane just did the wrong training and was out of shape last year but he's in shape right now and looks to be on track. He'll get his games, which are helpful but not the meat of the development process.



Well Shane will have to play, I'm not saying he should sit all year. But playing 9 games and being with the club trainers for another 9 would be fine.

So why don’t more teams do this then? Is it because essentially keeping a player out half a season is a bad idea?

 

[majormajor]

So why don’t more teams do this then? Is it because essentially keeping a player out half a season is a bad idea?

Half a season is a bit much. We're 3 games in lol. People need to chill.

The marginal benefit to Shane Wright of playing the 70th or 80th game in a year is very, very small. Perhaps negative, that might be too much.

The marginal benefit of playing a 40th or 50th game would be higher.

 

[Kojo]

I agree that he should eventually go back to the OHL. It will give him a chance to step up his high end offense and creativity and be a little less boring. But if that starts in a month or two it won't matter.

High end offense and creativity is not something Wright is known for. He's a touch pass kind of player with good speed and a decent shot.

 

[majormajor]

High end offense and creativity is not something Wright is known for. He's a touch pass kind of player with good speed and a decent shot.

I know but this year in junior would be an opportunity to stretch his game. For instance he'd be a lot more dangerous if he could hold the puck against pressure a little longer.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Hakstol's handling Wright is nutty.

Sorry but playing a guy 6 minutes in his only game then healthy scratching him for the next two is idiotic coaching.

 

[Xirik]

Hakstol's handling Wright is nutty.

Sorry but playing a guy 6 minutes in his only game then healthy scratching him for the next two is idiotic coaching.

If this continues ill start to wonder if the Kraken actually wanted to draft him and only took him because they were shell shocked that he dropped to them.

I wonder who the Kraken would have drafted if Wright hadn't been there.

 

[Bone Density]

If this continues ill start to wonder if the Kraken actually wanted to draft him and only took him because they were shell shocked that he dropped to them.

I wonder who the Kraken would have drafted if Wright hadn't been there.

Various sources said they were very high on Nemec. Maybe Jiricek?

 

[Xirik]

Various sources said they were very high on Nemec. Maybe Jiricek?

If Wright was unavailable that would have meant Arizona would have taken him. That means Cooley would also have been available, So probably Cooley or Jiricek.