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C Quinton Byfield - Sudbury Wolves, OHL (2020 Draft) II

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Tkachuckycheese said:
I'm guessing you are just a little kid by the way you can't even say Stutzle. They both will be great.
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No That's what his nickname will be...Strudel...Probably seen more games and been a Kings fan 20,30,40...year longer than you I'm thinking...do you remember Vachon,Widing,Goring,Murdoch,Murphy,T Williams,G Sargent,M Corrigan,S Bernier...B Pulford,J Milford...you get my drift buddy
 
Face offs matter. I’m a huge fan of a player like Elias Pettersson, but the fact that he doesn’t take his own face offs matters in how I evaluate his game. Malkin lack of attention paid to becoming good on face offs is part of why he has put up similar numbers to Ovechkin and Crosby, yet his legacy isn’t viewed the same way.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Face offs matter. I’m a huge fan of a player like Elias Pettersson, but the fact that he doesn’t take his own face offs matters in how I evaluate his game. Malkin lack of attention paid to becoming good on face offs is part of why he has put up similar numbers to Ovechkin and Crosby, yet his legacy isn’t viewed the same way.
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Literally not one Pens fan cares about Malkin’s faceoffs
 
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andys said:
No That's what his nickname will be...Strudel...Probably seen more games and been a Kings fan 20,30,40...year longer than you I'm thinking...do you remember Vachon,Widing,Goring,Murdoch,Murphy,T Williams,G Sargent,M Corrigan,S Bernier...B Pulford,J Milford...you get my drift buddy
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Yikes! okay...
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Face offs matter. I’m a huge fan of a player like Elias Pettersson, but the fact that he doesn’t take his own face offs matters in how I evaluate his game. Malkin lack of attention paid to becoming good on face offs is part of why he has put up similar numbers to Ovechkin and Crosby, yet his legacy isn’t viewed the same way.
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Malkin is 1.20 ppg in his career, Crosby is 1.28, 0.08 difference and Ovechkin is 1.10 ppg.... 0.10 worse what Malkin
416 career goals in 900 games for Malkin, 462 career goals in 984 games for Crosby
very similar numbers between Malkin and Crosby, even in points; only 187 point difference in about 100 less games.
 
Tkachuckycheese said:
So if they do are you going to stop cheering for the Kings? Or are you going to eat your words when Stutzle becomes an elite centerman? The kid has a strong work ethic. I don't know why you hate him so much. Got a thing against Germans with talent? They both are going to be great NHLer's so be ready for either one of them and watch some game footage of Stutzle.
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He's the village idiot, just ignore him.
 
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andys said:
Byfield is going to push to play in LA in 2021 or whenever the season starts next. He's going full bore to be an NHLer with ex-NHLer,Stanley Cup winner and former 53 goal scorer Gary Roberts the Fitness guru trying to make it happen for young(18 yr old) Quinton Byfield! A Beast in the making!
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The decision isnt up to him its irrelevant how he feels. Thats not how hockey works.

andys said:
Sometimes MacKenzie runs his mouth without taking a breathe and thinking...its going to be Byfield I Flipping know 100%. It might have been Strudel at 4 but not the coveted 2 after Lafreniere...Its going to be QByfield55 at numero dos!Take it to the bank
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What an embarrassing sequence of posts.
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
You should.
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Man, the fact he’s been the best center of the last 15 years not named Crosby shows how much faceoffs matter in the grand scheme of things.

When you can control shifts through the middle, nobody is upset you’re only winning 45% of your draws. The value of winning a face off is very situationally driven.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
You should.
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Why? Faceoffs are extremely unimportant.

The highest faceoff % in the league was 56.5%, so let's assume a great faceoff guy wins 55% of his faceoffs and a weak one 45%.

We can expect a good 1C to take around 18 faceoffs per game. Out of those 18, a great faceoff guy will win 10 and a weak faceoff guy will in 8.

So, over the course of a full game, that's a difference of 2 faceoff wins.

In the offensive zone, a faceoff win's expected to grant around 2 goals per 100 wins. And of course, a defensive zone faceoff win's expected to prevent that many goals per 100 wins. Neutral zone faceoffs have very minor impact so I'll ignore them here. Around 1/3 of faceoffs are neutral zone ones, but that varies widely from team to team. Close enough.

Essentially, what that means is that over the course of 82 games, a 55% faceoff guy will gain about 2 goals for his team and prevent 2 in comparison to a 45% faceoff guy. With the minor impact of faceoff types not accounted for(offense for defensive, neutral zone faceoff wins, defense for offensive, neutral zone faceoff wins), that'd be a total of 2.5 goal for, 2.5 against or so. Just about anything else the player does will have more importance.
 
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The faceoff posts are entertaining. I would guess 52% puts you in the top 40 or so every year. I don't even know what to say to someonne who thinks they don't matter. Suffer through the 15 seconds that followed philly's FO win in OT yesterday like I did.

Congrats to the LA Kings and enjoy Kopitar's replacement as much as you have enjoyed Kopitar's outstanding career.
 
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Faceoffs matter but are overrated because they are easily measured and quantified. Other aspects of the game that as or more important are ignored because they can't be quantified easily. To bring up 52% as a knock on Byfield though really does seem like we're grasping at straws at this point...
 
crashthenet said:
The faceoff posts are entertaining. I would guess 52% puts you in the top 40 or so every year. I don't even know what to say to someonne who thinks they don't matter. Suffer through the 15 seconds that followed philly's FO win in OT yesterday like I did.

Congrats to the LA Kings and enjoy Kopitar's replacement as much as you have enjoyed Kopitar's outstanding career.
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Thank you very much and continued best wishes in the playoffs.

Our fan bases have always gotten along well all we all hope that at least one cup is in the Isle's near future.
Our teams were brothers in suffering for too long and I hope we can soon become brothers in championships
 
deflowd said:
Faceoffs matter but are overrated because they are easily measured and quantified. Other aspects of the game that as or more important are ignored because they can't be quantified easily. To bring up 52% as a knock on Byfield though really does seem like we're grasping at straws at this point...
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Faceoffs matters when they occur during special teams.

Other than that, not so much.

There are actual holes in Byfield's game that can be discussed though. Faceoffs, while maybe not a super strong suit (even at 52%) are not really an issue.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
Faceoffs matters when they occur during special teams.

Other than that, not so much.

There are actual holes in Byfield's game that can be discussed though. Faceoffs, while maybe not a super strong suit (even at 52%) are not really an issue.
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Agreed, his down low play in the offensive zone, defensive zone positioning and attention to detail when it comes to turnovers/puck management are where he really needs to improve. He is inconsistent but so are most players that age, his work rate and compete in the playoffs really make me think his inconsistencies are massively over blown.
 
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bert said:
Agreed, his down low play in the offensive zone, defensive zone positioning and attention to detail when it comes to turnovers/puck management are where he really needs to improve. He is inconsistent but so are most players that age, his work rate and compete in the playoffs really make me think his inconsistencies are massively over blown.
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Honestly I don't think his hockey sense is all that great, especially compared to some of the other top guys in this draft.

He's kind of sucked internationally too, but small sample size.
 
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CheckingLineCenter said:
Man, the fact he’s been the best center of the last 15 years not named Crosby shows how much faceoffs matter in the grand scheme of things.

When you can control shifts through the middle, nobody is upset you’re only winning 45% of your draws. The value of winning a face off is very situationally driven.
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I find this stuff so funny.

The argument for Crosby's career over Ovechkin's and Malkin's, considering we are talking about three players whose offensive talent is in the same ballpark, has supposedly been his way two way, face-offs, grittiness, work-ethic, game to game consistency, but supposedly this kind of stuff doesn't matter anymore if its Malkin compared to the rest of the league. But if we go back to Crosby compared to those players, it will matter. I think it matters, regardless of the player. My opinion won't change depending on which player we are talking about. I think face-offs matter.
 
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Congratulations to the Kings for getting the next elite number one centre in Byfield.
 

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