C Quinton Byfield (2020, 2nd, LAK) part IV

[HabzSauce]

Patience is all that is required for Byfield. From the beginning all he needed was time and patience. He was always going to be good. Unfortunately the media hype made it seem like he should step in at 18 and dominate. The media created the over the top hype to sell clicks and then when it took time, people crapped on the poor kid. He will have the last laugh.

This is the exact same thing with slafkovsky.

Byfield starting to figure it out is very exciting. Some guys just take time.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I don't even care to compare him to Stutzle at this point, he's his own player and helping a surefire playoff team by being the best forward.

It's his time to emerge and the folks that have been patiently waiting and cheering are gonna love it and those like @nbwingsfan who have been motherf***ing him since he was 17 are gonna keep poopooing him no matter what he does so just grab some popcorn and enjoy the ride.

Judging a guy on a 11 game sample with a couple already saying he’s better than Stutzle already is just asking for trouble.

 

[Ghetty Green]

Judging a guy on a 11 game sample with a couple already saying he’s better than Stutzle already is just asking for trouble.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Judging a guy on a 11 game sample with a couple already saying he’s better than Stutzle already is just asking for trouble.

You judged him on the WJC in the past. Funny thing, sample sizes, eh?

And it's not on an 11 game sample, this is a pretty normal and natural evolution of his play last year, which elevated the crap out of the first line, the production just was not coming like it is now.

 

[Szechwan]

What's with his usage? He has 9 pts in his last 6 games but regularly only gets 12min?

 

[McDNicks17]

What's with his usage? He has 9 pts in his last 6 games but regularly only gets 12min?

LA's top three lines all play about 12 minutes of 5v5 per game.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

yeah normally i'd be kicking and screaming about TM's usage/deployment but in this case he's actually been rolling lines

I DO think he deserves more PP time though, especially on the top unit

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Not exactly.

Byfield: 43 points in 110 games=.39PPG
Lafreniere: 96 points in 227 games=.42PPG

Career points per game is surely a relevant metric to the discussion about who the better player is today.

 

[MTU34]

Not exactly.

Byfield: 43 points in 110 games=.39PPG
Lafreniere: 96 points in 227 games=.42PPG

Taylor Hall: 0.84 career ppg
Tyler Seguin: 0.81 career ppg
Mark Stone: 0.88 career ppg

If we only use career ppg to evaluate them, seems like they’re pretty similar caliber players no?

In reality, Stone is far better than either Seguin or Hall is today. Career ppg is largely irrelevant in evaluating what a player is currently

 

[KapG]

What's with his usage? He has 9 pts in his last 6 games but regularly only gets 12min?

Someone was saying that he will sometimes miss a shift here and there when kempe and kopitar are coming off PK shifts which makes sense I guess.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Someone was saying that he will sometimes miss a shift here and there when kempe and kopitar are coming off PK shifts which makes sense I guess.

yeah, todd mclellan shits his pants when has to do anything but 5v5, worst bench manager in the league in that regard. Blake has largely idiot-proofed him this year with the four great lines.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Is he really a prospect anymore

 

[Mersss]

Taylor Hall: 0.84 career ppg
Tyler Seguin: 0.81 career ppg
Mark Stone: 0.88 career ppg

If we only use career ppg to evaluate them, seems like they’re pretty similar caliber players no?

In reality, Stone is far better than either Seguin or Hall is today. Career ppg is largely irrelevant in evaluating what a player is currently

Let's be honnest here, Seguin and Hall were both way better players than mark stone was in their early 20s. At the end of the day, Stone is the better player TODAY, was not the case 10 years ago

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Let's be honnest here, Seguin and Hall were both way better players than mark stone was in their early 20s. At the end of the day, Stone is the better player TODAY, was not the case 10 years ago

Way better is certainly an exaggeration, Stone almost just won CS and captained a cup winner. Hall was MVP once but aside from that Stone has better seasons. Seguin was better offensively but all around it is debatable.


Even if your example was true, it would illustrate what other are saying in that 2 years ago laf was much better but Byfield is much better today. One has also kind of flat lined production wise while the other has showed a huge jump. I still think Laf has a lot more to give, btw - but it's not much of a debate who would be taken before the other in a redraft (it's Byfield)

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

He's doing all this on LA's 1st line and they've had by some metrics the hardest schedule in the league so far.

Excited to see what happens next.

 

[Akrapovince]

He's doing all this on LA's 1st line and they've had by some metrics the hardest schedule in the league so far.

Excited to see what happens next.

We all knew this was coming, even those that hated him. Generated waaaaay too much last year without production.

Kopitar/Byfield, PLD, Danault is such an even wave of centres going out line after line in LA.

 

[93LEAFS]

He's doing all this on LA's 1st line and they've had by some metrics the hardest schedule in the league so far.

Excited to see what happens next.

Not exactly shocked his game has taken a step forward now that he's primarily used on the wing, which demands less of him, and allows his to aggressively use his physical tools more, The real question is, will he ever transition to being a high-end centerman, which was a lot of peoples expectations for him at his draft date. Either way, he's looking like a legitimate 1st line player right now, regardless of whether he ends up at Center or not.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Way better is certainly an exaggeration, Stone almost just won CS and captained a cup winner. Hall was MVP once but aside from that Stone has better seasons. Seguin was better offensively but all around it is debatable.


Even if your example was true, it would illustrate what other are saying in that 2 years ago laf was much better but Byfield is much better today. One has also kind of flat lined production wise while the other has showed a huge jump. I still think Laf has a lot more to give, btw - but it's not much of a debate who would be taken before the other in a redraft (it's Byfield)

Have you watched either play this season to say this? It sounds like you are just looking at a boxscore.

Lafreniere has been very good. He’d have 10 points if Chytil could finish any chances early this season. Byfield is having success and congrats to him, but the idea that he’s past Lafreniere makes no sense. At no point before two weeks ago would anyone have suggested it and because Byfield has a little more puck luck for two weeks (when there’s literally no other argument for him and hasn’t been for years) that all of a sudden he’s better.

Crazy.

Edit: Take a look at their PDO’s

Byfield: 1.046
Lafreniere: .973

 

[nbwingsfan]

You judged him on the WJC in the past. Funny thing, sample sizes, eh?

And it's not on an 11 game sample, this is a pretty normal and natural evolution of his play last year, which elevated the crap out of the first line, the production just was not coming like it is now.

I judged him on a hell of a lot more than the WJC.

Raymond put up like 22pts in his first 20 games as a 19yo… again, sample sizes matter.

Claiming he’s better than a guy who put up 90pts as a 20yo in Stutzle based on 11 games this season (where he still isn’t pacing for 90) is something else.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I judged him on a hell of a lot more than the WJC.

Raymond put up like 22pts in his first 20 games as a 19yo… again, sample sizes matter.

Claiming he’s better than a guy who put up 90pts as a 20yo in Stutzle based on 11 games this season (where he still isn’t pacing for 90) is something else.

yeahhhh that's not what i said at all but then again if changing the subject was an olympic sport you'd be gold baby.

 

[Roasted Nuts]

The correct pick at the time is still Stutzle AINEC. Byfield is just riding off a hot start sheltered by PLD. He'd be exposed without the vets protecting and doing all the dirty work for him. He's a late first rounder at best, but was overhyped due to size like Slafkovsky.

 

[King'sPawn]

Have you watched either play this season to say this? It sounds like you are just looking at a boxscore.

Lafreniere has been very good. He’d have 10 points if Chytil could finish any chances early this season. Byfield is having success and congrats to him, but the idea that he’s past Lafreniere makes no sense. At no point before two weeks ago would anyone have suggested it and because Byfield has a little more puck luck for two weeks (when there’s literally no other argument for him and hasn’t been for years) that all of a sudden he’s better.

Crazy.

Edit: Take a look at their PDO’s

Byfield: 1.046
Lafreniere: .973

Players had plenty of looks when playing with Byfield last season, too. That didn't stop you from using career points per game to compare them.

Something something about just looking at box scores.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Players had plenty of looks when playing with Byfield last season, too. That didn't stop you from using career points per game to compare them.

Something something about just looking at box scores.

It's funny some people seem to think that the players who get a lot of pts have teammates who capitalize on every single chance. ... Every star player will deal with others not finishing, etc. its a matter of creating enough chances over time to accumulate pts.

The same argument could be made for anyone and we could say McDavid could've had 200 pts if his linemates finished more. Obviously some teammates are better than others, but more often than not players putting up the most pts are generally generating the most chances.

I guess that's the new MO on Laf now, his teammates can't finish :/.

Again, love the guy and I still have high hopes, but he's just not playing well enough to warrant high production yet, it's not that his teammates aren't finishing. You could argue he hasn't been placed in an ideal situation, but again almost every single player deals with this and must improve and force their coaches hand to play them.

 

[nbwingsfan]

yeahhhh that's not what i said at all but then again if changing the subject was an olympic sport you'd be gold baby.

You’re not saying it, but plenty of people in here are already saying Stutzle < Byfield

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It's funny some people seem to think that the players who get a lot of pts have teammates who capitalize on every single chance. ... Every star player will deal with others not finishing, etc. its a matter of creating enough chances over time to accumulate pts.

The same argument could be made for anyone and we could say McDavid could've had 200 pts if his linemates finished more. Obviously some teammates are better than others, but more often than not players putting up the most pts are generally generating the most chances.

I guess that's the new MO on Laf now, his teammates can't finish :/.

Again, love the guy and I still have high hopes, but he's just not playing well enough to warrant high production yet, it's not that his teammates aren't finishing. You could argue he hasn't been placed in an ideal situation, but again almost every single player deals with this and must improve and force their coaches hand to play them.

Why not directly address my post?

You can type 4 paragraphs about how you're a Lafreniere fan (not so if you are putting forth the bad faith argument you are) and how all that matters is the extremely small sample size results, but you also wouldn't have made this argument two weeks ago, and you know it. In fact, you didn't address either how there's no argument for Byfield that isn't he's had some better puck luck the last two weeks.