C Quinton Byfield (2020, 2nd, LAK) part IV

[Osprey]

I think that it's a little early to call him a PPG player in the AHL. It's been only 10 games and over half of his points came in only 2 of them. Vilardi was just over a PPG through 10 NHL games this year, but has been under half a PPG since. I have more faith in Byfield keeping it up than I did in Vilardi, but I'd still like to see it. I'd keep him down there and hope that he does maintain it over a larger sample size because that would be great for his development and confidence.

 

[MateORome]

Sure buddy, let’s over look the obvious right?
Do the Senators have the following…
Anze Kopitar
Phillip Danault
Have they giving their top pick under 13min consistently?
Are they a playoff team trying to incorporate a young players?
Is your head coach an idiot?

The drafted a player in Byfield with a longer development curve because his upside has always been the highest of any player in that draft.. was he going to set the world on fire from day 1 or even 2-3 years in? No, no one did and certainly not the Kings but they didn’t need him to. They been patient with Vilardi and it paid off. They’re taking the same approach with Byfield and Turcotte and the results this season have been encouraging…
Tim much like Trevor are exciting offensive players but neither one can spell defense let alone play it!

Tkachuk, Giroux, De Brincat, Batherson... seriously...

The team is not closed to young player. Kaliyev has been installed since last year. Clarke is rushed to the senior circuit. Bjornfot played last year. Turcotte does not play because he is disappointing at the lower level. Stutzle would have cracked the Kings roster easily when he was 18. The average age of the Kings roster is at the same level as the Senators. 26 and a half years old. Sanderson would likely start with the Kings

Supporter of Montreal, I saw Danault play more than you in my opinion. He is an excellent center to play against the best opposing lines. A guy you play in a complete team and a candidate for the title, on a 3rd line, behind two centers with an offensive vocation which dominate. But LA does not have two players of this profile currently.

Everyone Rags on him but bigger players take longer, especially at C. Ppg in the ahl as a 20 year old is pretty good. Anyone who knew anything about him at the draft knew he’d take a little more time than c your typical top 3 pick and that’s fine.

I find it funny the same people ragging on Byfield are still defending Lafreniere, who was supposedly ready to be a difference maker at 18

Sundin, Lemieux, Lindros, Malkin, Thornton, Barkov, Matthews... Big C as top 3 picks... Excellent at U21.

is this a throw away racist account LOL

I'm not making up the facts.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Tkachuk, Giroux, De Brincat, Batherson... seriously...

The team is not closed to young player. Kaliyev has been installed since last year. Clarke is rushed to the senior circuit. Bjornfot played last year. Turcotte does not play because he is disappointing at the lower level. Stutzle would have cracked the Kings roster easily when he was 18. The average age of the Kings roster is at the same level as the Senators. 26 and a half years old. Sanderson would likely start with the Kings


Supporter of Montreal, I saw Danault play more than you in my opinion. He is an excellent center to play against the best opposing lines. A guy you play in a complete team and a candidate for the title, on a 3rd line, behind two centers with an offensive vocation which dominate. But LA does not have two players of this profile currently.

-Kaliyev has been on the 4th line since last year despite outperforming MANY forwards and STILL is only getting 8th-9th most PP time on team despite being our best PP goal scorer since January.
-Clarke got 'rushed' into 9 games and despite being our 2nd or 3rd best dman immediately (depending on how one feels about Anderson), Blake buried him on a conditioning assingment in the AHL and is now sending him to Team Canada to delay actually inserting him in the lineup.
-Bjornfot played a depth role last year despite LA going thru nearly a league record # of dmen playing games and was finally sent to the minors to play big minutes. Despite LA having infinity RHDs, he STILL toils away in the minors.
-Turcotte isn't playing because he had two major concussions; he's playing very well right now, there's just zero room--AKA exactly what this conversation was about.
-The average age of the Kings top six most of last year was 30 years old. It's only slightly lower now swapping out Brown for Kempe/Fiala. That average age was artificially deflated by having youth on the bottom six/healthy scratched as well as having to call up a million dmen throughout the year.
-Sanderson has f***all to do with Kings forwards.
-I don't care if you saw Danault in Montreal more than in LA, where he is in a different role and thriving.

In conclusion, you are just further illustrating how ignorant you are of LA's prospect usage, but doubling down on the idea that you know better instead of having good faith discussion and open-mindedness about 'why.'

 

[MateORome]

-Kaliyev has been on the 4th line since last year despite outperforming MANY forwards and STILL is only getting 8th-9th most PP time on team despite being our best PP goal scorer since January.
-Clarke got 'rushed' into 9 games and despite being our 2nd or 3rd best dman immediately (depending on how one feels about Anderson), Blake buried him on a conditioning assingment in the AHL and is now sending him to Team Canada to delay actually inserting him in the lineup.
-Bjornfot played a depth role last year despite LA going thru nearly a league record # of dmen playing games and was finally sent to the minors to play big minutes. Despite LA having infinity RHDs, he STILL toils away in the minors.
-Turcotte isn't playing because he had two major concussions; he's playing very well right now, there's just zero room--AKA exactly what this conversation was about.
-The average age of the Kings top six most of last year was 30 years old. It's only slightly lower now swapping out Brown for Kempe/Fiala. That average age was artificially deflated by having youth on the bottom six/healthy scratched as well as having to call up a million dmen throughout the year.
-Sanderson has f***all to do with Kings forwards.
-I don't care if you saw Danault in Montreal more than in LA, where he is in a different role and thriving.

In conclusion, you are just further illustrating how ignorant you are of LA's prospect usage, but doubling down on the idea that you know better instead of having good faith discussion and open-mindedness about 'why.'

- Things change : Kaliyev was playing on the 1st in the last game
- Clarke should play in CHL normally if LA really had the dogmatic policy of waiting
- Bjornfot doesn't have the level
- Turcotte doesn't have the level
- The team's average age last year was lower (26.43). Very few players are over 30 (Kopitar, Doughty, Edler, Quick)
- Sanderson is an example to show you that defensive players from 20' class already play in the NHL and very well.
- Beniers is already better than Danault so stop (it was my point)

Saying things that are categorically untrue doesn't make them the truth

LA is just a mid-table team right now. There is room for players drafted 3-4 years ago. Bjornfot would play in Edler's place if he had convinced last year. Turcotte and Byfield would be in the top 6 if they had the level of Zegras and Stutzle.

Things are managed according to the level that the players show.

 

[Little Psycho]

My dude has watched 3 kings games last year and 2 games this year and is suddenly an expert on the kings lol

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Things are managed according to the level that the players show.

I guess at this point I'll simply say "I agree to disagree" since you're entitled to your completely-bereft-of-reality opinion ignorant of both objective and subjective evidence.

And even aside from all of that, your assertion was that Byfield isn't an NHLer this year, and the rest is built on that fallacy, so we can just call it a day.

 

[93LEAFS]

Thornton was literally in it. Can add Lecavalier to that list too.

Secondly would you take Tage Thompson or Stutzle? Byfield could end up being a similar talent to Thompson except he is actually better at this age.

I am a sens fan I watched both players very closely in their draft year. I was happy with either, I preferred Stutzle but I also knew what type of prospect Byfield is. Was always going to take a while before he hit his peak. Stutzle's skillset/body type was always going to adapt to the NHL faster. Who the better player is at their peaks is still up for debate.

Thornton and Lecavalier both showed much more in a tougher league for players under 20 by this point in their career. Guys like Matthews and Eichel were pretty high-end early in their careers at younger ages as bigger guys. I don't think bigger guys have atypical development curves in the current NHL relative to smaller guys. You can find exceptions in both directions.

 

[flashsabre]

I would look at Tage Thompson in Buffalo and say little patience can go a long way with big centres.

 

[HanSolo]

I would look at Tage Thompson in Buffalo and say little patience can go a long way with big centres.

Exception. Rule. So on.

 

[bsu]

I would look at Tage Thompson in Buffalo and say little patience can go a long way with big centres.

Huge sample size. Can you name more than a couple random occurrences where a "tall" player randomly exploded that far into their career? Byfield is only 20 years old so I don't even know why some of you are discussing giving him time... He's literally 20. Now if you are projecting him to not live up to his draft position, that's totally far... we've seen enough of his "game" at this point to know what kind of player he will be. A transition north/south scorer. All these talks about him being big are hilarious he plays smaller than 5'8 Marco Rossi in his draft class.

 

[ru4reals]

If Beniers was on the Kings he'd be in the Minors honing his skills playing 3rd line minutes and not getting any PP time. It's the LA kings way of develpment. Lol.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Exception. Rule. So on.

Thompson’s development arc is certainly unique, but the idea that big guys take longer isn’t a new one. Chara spent years being a goon before turning into an elite defenseman. Byfield is a superb athlete with a lot of talent. He’s only 20. If the Kings can be patient with him, I think they’ll ultimately be very happy that they were.

 

[Akrapovince]

Byfield was always a project with a strong foundation to work on.

Look at playoff teams that have injected high selection picks onto their roster. It is always a struggle to do so smoothly.

Unfortunately I can already see how the arc of Byfield’s development is going to go.

1. Has a great stretch in the AHL
“Way too small of a sample size”.

2. Has a rough stretch, as team struggles.
“See, told you- Sample size”.

3. Finishes AHL season with dominant stat line.
“He’s the 2nd overall in his draft + 3 year, obviously he’s going to dominate against worse competition”.

4. Has a good stretch in NHL games
“Small sample size”

5. Has a good NHL year
“It’s only one year”

Cycle continues blah blah blah, except for playing well in the national hockey league, where it could be argued it’s been out of his hands, he’s done enough to warrant being selected where he was, especially with that potential there.

A lot more prospects that were propped as ready out of the box with half of Byfield’s potential selected around him aren’t where he is during his development path.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Thornton and Lecavalier both showed much more in a tougher league for players under 20 by this point in their career. Guys like Matthews and Eichel were pretty high-end early in their careers at younger ages as bigger guys. I don't think bigger guys have atypical development curves in the current NHL relative to smaller guys. You can find exceptions in both directions.

Literally two pages ago I shared this post that had an evidence-based example that quite often bigger guys do have atypical development curves.

C Quinton Byfield (2020, 2nd, LAK) part IV

How is being PPG in the AHL in our D+3 season a good thing exactly? Not saying he's a bust, but for a 2nd OA pick, you assume he'll be PPG+ n the AHL as soon as D+1... Not D+3 Not every player has the same development curve. He was a late birthday for his draft and is a very big person it was...

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Absolutely there are exceptions in both directions (heck, Byfield himself is already a unique quantity being a top-5 pick that big) and it's not a guarantee, but it's also foolish to dismiss him at (barely) 20 as off-track or not going to fulfill potential.

Huge sample size. Can you name more than a couple random occurrences where a "tall" player randomly exploded that far into their career? Byfield is only 20 years old so I don't even know why some of you are discussing giving him time... He's literally 20. Now if you are projecting him to not live up to his draft position, that's totally far... we've seen enough of his "game" at this point to know what kind of player he will be. A transition north/south scorer. All these talks about him being big are hilarious he plays smaller than 5'8 Marco Rossi in his draft class.

I already audited this once and I'm not doing the homework again since it won't change your mind, but the vast majority of QBs pro goals (and assists) so far have been in the slot and/or right in front of the net coming off the cycle after possession in the zone.

He CAN score off the rush but it's not the only way he scores and he's just beginning to use his body dangerously.

You should be careful about making pro projection assumptions based on that time you watched him play twice two years ago.

 

[bsu]

Literally two pages ago I shared this post that had an evidence-based example that quite often bigger guys do have atypical development curves.

C Quinton Byfield (2020, 2nd, LAK) part IV

How is being PPG in the AHL in our D+3 season a good thing exactly? Not saying he's a bust, but for a 2nd OA pick, you assume he'll be PPG+ n the AHL as soon as D+1... Not D+3 Not every player has the same development curve. He was a late birthday for his draft and is a very big person it was...

forums.hfboards.com

Absolutely there are exceptions in both directions (heck, Byfield himself is already a unique quantity being a top-5 pick that big) and it's not a guarantee, but it's also foolish to dismiss him at (barely) 20 as off-track or not going to fulfill potential.



I already audited this once and I'm not doing the homework again since it won't change your mind, but the vast majority of QBs pro goals (and assists) so far have been in the slot and/or right in front of the net coming off the cycle after possession in the zone.

He CAN score off the rush but it's not the only way he scores and he's just beginning to use his body dangerously.

You should be careful about making pro projection assumptions based on that time you watched him play twice two years ago.

The typical Racoon response.... YoUvE OnLy SeEn HiM PlAy TwO TiMeS LoLoLoL. You have no idea how much hockey anyone on here watches, get a grip. Just because someone disagrees with you, this is your go to. It's hilarious. You're not the only one that watches hockey on this forum, I know it's mind blowing to you. I'd bet a million dollars I've been to more Reign games than you have this season.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The typical Racoon response.... YoUvE OnLy SeEn HiM PlAy TwO TiMeS LoLoLoL. You have no idea how much hockey anyone on here watches, get a grip. Just because someone disagrees with you, this is your go to. It's hilarious. You're not the only one that watches hockey on this forum, I know it's mind blowing to you. I'd bet a million dollars I've been to more Reign games than you have this season.

Then if you've been watching him, you know it's untrue. I believe you to be a competent viewer, so you're either being dishonest or ignorant. Not sure which is worse.

I have season seats, let me know when you're there and I'll buy you a beer.

 

[bsu]

Then if you've been watching him, you know it's untrue. I believe you to be a competent viewer, so you're either being dishonest or ignorant. Not sure which is worse.

I have season seats, let me know when you're there and I'll buy you a beer.

Yes everything is true because Raccon Jesus said so. Have a good day sir.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yes everything is true because Raccon Jesus said so. Have a good day sir.

Here you go. Byfield's AHL goals from last year--only two were on the rush. 75% were not. One was a shorthanded chance he created himself, one was coming out of the box. The rest are a variety of things--walking off the wall, stealing pucks, using size and reach in the slot. And that was prior to this year when he's using his size, reach, and speed MUCH more effectively.

But you already knew that because you watched it, right?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Byfield was always a project with a strong foundation to work on.

Look at playoff teams that have injected high selection picks onto their roster. It is always a struggle to do so smoothly.

Unfortunately I can already see how the arc of Byfield’s development is going to go.

1. Has a great stretch in the AHL
“Way too small of a sample size”.

2. Has a rough stretch, as team struggles.
“See, told you- Sample size”.

3. Finishes AHL season with dominant stat line.
“He’s the 2nd overall in his draft + 3 year, obviously he’s going to dominate against worse competition”.

4. Has a good stretch in NHL games
“Small sample size”

5. Has a good NHL year
“It’s only one year”

Cycle continues blah blah blah, except for playing well in the national hockey league, where it could be argued it’s been out of his hands, he’s done enough to warrant being selected where he was, especially with that potential there.

A lot more prospects that were propped as ready out of the box with half of Byfield’s potential selected around him aren’t where he is during his development path.

I’m confused by your last sentence. Like who?

 

[bsu]

I’m confused by your last sentence. Like who?

Good question, lets see the list of "a lot"

 

[Osprey]

Unfortunately I can already see how the arc of Byfield’s development is going to go.

1. Has a great stretch in the AHL
“Way too small of a sample size”.

2. Has a rough stretch, as team struggles.
“See, told you- Sample size”.

3. Finishes AHL season with dominant stat line.
“He’s the 2nd overall in his draft + 3 year, obviously he’s going to dominate against worse competition”.

4. Has a good stretch in NHL games
“Small sample size”

5. Has a good NHL year
“It’s only one year”

Cycle continues blah blah blah, except for playing well in the national hockey league, where it could be argued it’s been out of his hands, he’s done enough to warrant being selected where he was, especially with that potential there.

This cycle happens when people get carried away with enthusiasm in the first place. Most of those are "yeah, but" reactions, so what they're reactions to matters. This thread was bumped and then continued by people essentially saying, "see, told you he isn't a bust," and acting like it proves that his development is right on track. Naturally, people are going to react to that by pointing out that it's a small sample size and such. If he goes on to have a strong, full year, it'll probably again be people getting a little carried away with the enthusiasm and "told you so"s before we see the "yeah, but" response that you predict. The only people who are bothered by the "small sample size" argument are those who really want to believe that players that they're pulling for will maintain that pace. If anything, that's what's unfair to players, IMO, because you're placing high expectations on them and are eventually disappointed when they don't meet them.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

What a game from QB, not just stats, dude is clutch AF.
Normal development curve to stardom?

 

[Frolov 6'3]

What a game from QB, not just stats, dude is clutch AF.
Normal development curve to stardom?

Please no. This is a bump and this could turn into another psychological analysis from a certain person again.

He is not right on track, this is too much enthusiasm (dont even start about stardom) and there is a possibility he will not maintain that pace. All that in combination with possible I told you so’s.

This below is the right summary;

* AHL only.
* He is already in his D+3 year.
* Should have had a 1/2 PPG in the NHL by now.
* Can only score goals from transition.
* Drafted this high due to his size.
* Extremely poor @ both WJC’s.
* Beniers is much better & Danault is a 3rd liner

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

What a game from QB, not just stats, dude is clutch AF.
Normal development curve to stardom?

Neither goal nor assist was on the rush though so they didn't happen

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

Anyway…I’m happy for QB. He always gave me the impression that he’s a good person with strong character and you don’t often hear people doubting that or attacking him over that. And often with gifted people in any field it comes down to confidence. Still say Byfield will have his time.