C Quinton Byfield (2020, 2nd, LAK) part IV

[WayneGretzky]

Not saying the kids a bust…Does anyone remember when hockey Twitter freaked out on ISS Hockey for posting this report on Byfield before the draft??

Perhaps they were onto something

 

[bert]

Either you're quoting players who were already settled in Byfield's current age, or you're quoting low-selected laborious talent that falls into the category I define, either you're talking about a defender, or you're talking about a player who isn't not elite.

At U21, Byfield has yet to break into the LA Kings squad, which is not, however, overloaded with talent. A few years ago, he was way ahead of the others. The delay, it comes from these last years.

Don't agree with any of this. The first paragraph is nonsense. The second isn't accurate. I watched a ton of OHL in is draft year and did video for one of the teams. He was not 'ahead' he is just good and stylistically he was always going to take longer. Based on his physical skillset and how he plays.

 

[bert]

Second round picks are expected to take a longer development path... I really don't understand how that's difficult to understand

Tage Thompson was a late 1st rounder

Hope QB can put it together but there's a reason for the added scrutiny.

The round and where the player got drafted doesn't change the actual factors that impact a players development. Like being a big body player that needs to grow into it and fill out.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Either you're quoting players who were already settled in Byfield's current age, or you're quoting low-selected laborious talent that falls into the category I define, either you're talking about a defender, or you're talking about a player who isn't not elite.

At U21, Byfield has yet to break into the LA Kings squad, which is not, however, overloaded with talent. A few years ago, he was way ahead of the others. The delay, it comes from these last years.

LA is a middle of the pack team.

There is a spot left for him, but with Kopitar, Iafallo, Fiala, Arvidsson, Vilardi, Moore, Danault, Kempe, Kaliyev there are already 9 forwards in the line up.

I am kinda surprised you are so critical about Byfield, yet you say Lafreniere is blocked by veterans to explode the number of points. In other teams, he would produce. The same for Kakko, according to you, he didn't fall into the right team.

Kakko is even 1,5 years older.
Looks like a double standard to me. I think Byfield is better in may 2024 than Kakko is now. How good remains to be seen.

 

[MateORome]

LA is a middle of the pack team.

There is a spot left for him, but with Kopitar, Iafallo, Fiala, Arvidsson, Vilardi, Moore, Danault, Kempe, Kaliyev there are already 9 forwards in the line up.

I am kinda surprised you are so critical about Byfield, yet you say Lafreniere is blocked by veterans to explode the number of points. In other teams, he would produce. The same for Kakko, according to you, he didn't fall into the right team.

Kakko is even 1,5 years older.
Looks like a double standard to me. I think Byfield is better in may 2024 than Kakko is now. How good remains to be seen.

An elite talent like Beniers easily takes the No. 2 Center spot in LA. Danault is more of a 3rd C. Kempe and Lizotte shouldn't be a problem for an elite C at D+3.

Rangers' two left wingers are Panarin and Kreider. No debate on that. I wasn't talking about Kakko so I don't understand why you're talking about him.

LA had a choice between Byfield and Stutzle. Kakko was in 2019.

 

[MateORome]

Don't agree with any of this. The first paragraph is nonsense. The second isn't accurate. I watched a ton of OHL in is draft year and did video for one of the teams. He was not 'ahead' he is just good and stylistically he was always going to take longer. Based on his physical skillset and how he plays.

No nonsence. I was talking about big C selected top 3 at U21. Your list don't work.

If for you Byfield was far from Stutzle's level, that's the problem. Why take him in 2? I hardly see Byfield becoming better than Stutzle. The current gap is huge.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

An elite talent like Beniers easily takes the No. 2 Center spot in LA. Danault is more of a 3rd C. Kempe and Lizotte shouldn't be a problem for an elite C at D+3.

Rangers' two left wingers are Panarin and Kreider. No debate on that. I wasn't talking about Kakko so I don't understand why you're talking about him.

LA had a choice between Byfield and Stutzle. Kakko was in 2019.

Danault is a perfect 2nd line center. You are stuck to the past or so. He scored 27 goals last season and is on pace for around 60 points again. Kempe is not a C but a winger and Lizotte is not a 3rd line center.

Looks like you are not up to date with anything. That speak volumes.

I quoted your own words about Kakko from 28 days ago. I am aware he was a 2019 draftpick. I wonder why you are so harsh on Byfield but use a different standard for either Lafrenière and Kakko. They just seem to be “unlucky“ according to you.

 

[nbwingsfan]

You were quoted on--and responded directly to--this post from earlier Byfield discussion:

On any given day I have like 10 different conversations going just on HF so I’m not going to remember everything I’ve talked about before. Also that guy should definitely give up on Zadina. My god he sucks at hockey.

Did this separate D and F?

 

[GrizzGreen]

The round and where the player got drafted doesn't change the actual factors that impact a players development. Like being a big body player that needs to grow into it and fill out.

literally didn't address anything that I said, but sure.

 

[kings11]

Either you're quoting players who were already settled in Byfield's current age, or you're quoting low-selected laborious talent that falls into the category I define, either you're talking about a defender, or you're talking about a player who isn't not elite.

At U21, Byfield has yet to break into the LA Kings squad, which is not, however, overloaded with talent. A few years ago, he was way ahead of the others. The delay, it comes from these last years.

Obviously you don’t follow the Kings but WTF are you even talking about??
Last season he earned the 3C in camp then broke his ankle and still finished in the same spot..
This season his line was the Kings best and one of the best in the NHL all be it, it was a tiny sample.. then he got sick and lost a lot of weight, he gets sent to the AHL to condition and has started to impose himself there?? So wtf are we missing here other than you obviously not knowing shit

 

[MateORome]

Danault is a perfect 2nd line center. You are stuck to the past or so. He scored 27 goals last season and is on pace for around 60 points again. Kempe is not a C but a winger and Lizotte is not a 3rd line center.

Looks like you are not up to date with anything. That speak volumes.

I quoted your own words about Kakko from 28 days ago. I am aware he was a 2019 draftpick. I wonder why you are so harsh on Byfield but use a different standard for either Lafrenière and Kakko. They just seem to be “unlucky“ according to you.

You confirm, however, that there is room to take a place as Center among the Kings.

At Byfield's age, Kakko was playing in the NHL. Byfield does not play in the NHL at U21. That's a fact. He starts from much more than Kakko and Lafreniere who have been in the NHL since their first season.

Taking Lizotte's place is not the same thing as taking Kreider's place.

Obviously you don’t follow the Kings but WTF are you even talking about??
Last season he earned the 3C in camp then broke his ankle and still finished in the same spot..
This season his line was the Kings best and one of the best in the NHL all be it, it was a tiny sample.. then he got sick and lost a lot of weight, he gets sent to the AHL to condition and has started to impose himself there?? So wtf are we missing here other than you obviously not knowing shit

I still watch the matches but I must surely be much less intelligent than you, I admit it. I'm just saying it was a big selection mistake to take Byfield over Stutzle.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Man

You confirm, however, that there is room to take a place as Center among the Kings.

At Byfield's age, Kakko was playing in the NHL. Byfield does not play in the NHL at U21. That's a fact. He starts from much more than Kakko and Lafreniere who have been in the NHL since their first season.

Taking Lizotte's place is not the same thing as taking Kreider's place.

Byfield is/was the Kings' 3C behind Danault and Kopitar. No, the way the Kings do things, Beniers would NOT have displaced either of those two.

Byfield is not playing in the NHL due to sickness and a conditioning stint, not play.

You're being deliberately ignorant, like several other posters. The last two pages of this thread are outdated takes from 2020 and 2021 and when people are updated they just ignore reality. Maybe try listening to the people who watch him skate literally every game and practice.

 

[bert]

literally didn't address anything that I said, but sure.

Yes it did you said expectations should be higher due to when he was drafted. My argument is that you need to go deeper than that and look at the player and their skillset.

 

[MateORome]

Man


Byfield is/was the Kings' 3C behind Danault and Kopitar. No, the way the Kings do things, Beniers would NOT have displaced either of those two.

Byfield is not playing in the NHL due to sickness and a conditioning stint, not play.

You're being deliberately ignorant, like several other posters. The last two pages of this thread are outdated takes from 2020 and 2021 and when people are updated they just ignore reality. Maybe try listening to the people who watch him skate literally every game and practice.

You don't know. I am convinced that Beniers is infinitely more talented than Byfield and today he is already an elite NHL talent superior to Danault. If really LA would prefer to sideline a player as talented as Beniers, there is a management problem.

 

[bsu]

You don't know. I am convinced that Beniers is infinitely more talented than Byfield and today he is already an elite NHL talent superior to Danault. If really LA would prefer to sideline a player as talented as Beniers, there is a management problem.

There's no one employed in the NHL taking Byfield over Beniers.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You don't know. I am convinced that Beniers is infinitely more talented than Byfield and today he is already an elite NHL talent superior to Danault. If really LA would prefer to sideline a player as talented as Beniers, there is a management problem.

LA made sure that Vilardi, Byfield, and Kupari were sidelined for both the AHL AND NHL playoffs. Our 2nd leading goal scorer, Kaliyev, can't get off the 4th line. Rather than re-promote Byfield or any one of the infinity centers in the organization for 3C, they've decided to move Kempe back to C.

You're right about one thing.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

There's no one employed in the NHL taking Byfield over Beniers.

Yes, we know your refrain about QB, but that wasn't the point at all.

The point was there's a major player/youth usage and deployment issue in LA, and to overlook that to pretend it's because QB sucks is ignorant.

Even Vilardi, our leading goal scorer, had 8 goals in 11 games and still needed injuries to get more opportunity on the PP and in the top 6 at age 23.

LA is overly conservative with prospects and people are deliberately misreading that as "QB is an AHLer".

 

[MateORome]

LA made sure that Vilardi, Byfield, and Kupari were sidelined for both the AHL AND NHL playoffs. Our 2nd leading goal scorer, Kaliyev, can't get off the 4th line. Rather than re-promote Byfield or any one of the infinity centers in the organization for 3C, they've decided to move Kempe back to C.

You're right about one thing.

Beniers is indefinitely stronger than all the players you mention. So the management would not be the same at all.

Seattle is doing pretty well with the management of Beniers

 

[bert]

No nonsence. I was talking about big C selected top 3 at U21. Your list don't work.

If for you Byfield was far from Stutzle's level, that's the problem. Why take him in 2? I hardly see Byfield becoming better than Stutzle. The current gap is huge.

Thornton was literally in it. Can add Lecavalier to that list too.

Secondly would you take Tage Thompson or Stutzle? Byfield could end up being a similar talent to Thompson except he is actually better at this age.

I am a sens fan I watched both players very closely in their draft year. I was happy with either, I preferred Stutzle but I also knew what type of prospect Byfield is. Was always going to take a while before he hit his peak. Stutzle's skillset/body type was always going to adapt to the NHL faster. Who the better player is at their peaks is still up for debate.

 

[MateORome]

Thornton was literally in it. Can add Lecavalier to that list too.

Secondly would you take Tage Thompson or Stutzle? Byfield could end up being a similar talent to Thompson except he is actually better at this age.

I am a sens fan I watched both players very closely in their draft year. I was happy with either, I preferred Stutzle but I also knew what type of prospect Byfield is. Was always going to take a while before he hit his peak. Stutzle's skillset/body type was always going to adapt to the NHL faster. Who the better player is at their peaks is still up for debate.

Thornton 60 points in 81 games N°1 in points for his team by far at U21

Thompson does not fit into the category of players defined as a top prospect in the draft. He was a hardworking big player with USDP. Not a dominant player in the junior circuit.

The big players who dominate in the junior circuits have no more difficulty imposing themselves in the NHL than the fragile players who dominate in the junior circuits. Byfield was dominant. His physique is not a handicap compared to Hughes who could not stand on his skates at 18 years old.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

You confirm, however, that there is room to take a place as Center among the Kings.

At Byfield's age, Kakko was playing in the NHL. Byfield does not play in the NHL at U21. That's a fact. He starts from much more than Kakko and Lafreniere who have been in the NHL since their first season.

Taking Lizotte's place is not the same thing as taking Kreider's place.

You talk about facts but that Byfield is constantly missing time due to injuries is a fact you somehow want to ignore.

There are no mistakes just yet. Obviously Stützle is miles ahead right now though.

You seem to be extremely unreasonable about a lot of things and does not admit any of your wrong conclusions in your past responses.

 

[kings11]

You confirm, however, that there is room to take a place as Center among the Kings.

At Byfield's age, Kakko was playing in the NHL. Byfield does not play in the NHL at U21. That's a fact. He starts from much more than Kakko and Lafreniere who have been in the NHL since their first season.

Taking Lizotte's place is not the same thing as taking Kreider's place.


I still watch the matches but I must surely be much less intelligent than you, I admit it. I'm just saying it was a big selection mistake to take Byfield over Stutzle.

Sure buddy, let’s over look the obvious right?
Do the Senators have the following…
Anze Kopitar
Phillip Danault
Have they giving their top pick under 13min consistently?
Are they a playoff team trying to incorporate a young players?
Is your head coach an idiot?

The drafted a player in Byfield with a longer development curve because his upside has always been the highest of any player in that draft.. was he going to set the world on fire from day 1 or even 2-3 years in? No, no one did and certainly not the Kings but they didn’t need him to. They been patient with Vilardi and it paid off. They’re taking the same approach with Byfield and Turcotte and the results this season have been encouraging…
Tim much like Trevor are exciting offensive players but neither one can spell defense let alone play it!

 

[Little Psycho]

When Byfield was sent down:

“I’ve always said I don’t think anybody should lose their spot to injury or illness, it’s outside of their control,” McLellan said

Well Mr. McLellan- clearly Byfield has…he has played well enough to have his spot back that you took from him due to illness…

He had dropped off a lot of weight when he was sick. Had to get back into form.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

You don't know. I am convinced that Beniers is infinitely more talented than Byfield and today he is already an elite NHL talent superior to Danault. If really LA would prefer to sideline a player as talented as Beniers, there is a management problem.

If Beniers was LA property I seriously do not care if either him or Danault was playing on whatever line. Unfortunately Beniers is not playing for LA though. You love to come up with anything, just to move away from your ridiculous statement about Danault. Have you been living under a rock of what.

Than of course our biggest friend bsu is jumping in again, to confirm nobody takes Byfield over Beniers.
No kidding, chief….problem is, nobody said that but why would he care. He has spoken again.

 

[Nabrules]

Everyone Rags on him but bigger players take longer, especially at C. Ppg in the ahl as a 20 year old is pretty good. Anyone who knew anything about him at the draft knew he’d take a little more time than c your typical top 3 pick and that’s fine.

I find it funny the same people ragging on Byfield are still defending Lafreniere, who was supposedly ready to be a difference maker at 18