C Oliver Moore - University of Minnesota , NCAA (2023, 19th, CHI)

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

I want to believe the advanced metric post, but in my heart I know this is true. When Davidson made the pick, my heart sank. Really wanted Perreault, Edstrom, or Nadeau.

It’s really early and so much development time left that it’s far too early to make any judgement.

He has a skill that just can’t be taught (speed) so let the development process do its things and see how it plays out.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

I want to believe the advanced metric post, but in my heart I know this is true. When Davidson made the pick, my heart sank. Really wanted Perreault, Edstrom, or Nadeau.

Really? I've thought of Moore's upside as a middle 6C going back to before the draft, but even if he's just a 3C with great speed/forechecking ability that's still a valuable player for your team.

I do like Nadeau, but I don't think these guys are sure things to be better than whats reasonably expected of Moore.

 

[Kaners PPGs]

I want to believe the advanced metric post, but in my heart I know this is true. When Davidson made the pick, my heart sank. Really wanted Perreault, Edstrom, or Nadeau.

I agree. I thought Perreault would have been a fantastic pick pairing him and Bedard on the PP for a decade. I just envision a Carl Hagelin-type player in Moore. A useful piece but a level below a lot of the enthusiasm from Hawk Nation after the pick was made.

 

[Chuck Testa]

I think the Hawks were probably laser focused in on speed when they chose Moore over someone like Perrault.

That being said, I'm not sure whether Perrault is on the "slower" side but wasn't Moore considered the fasted player in the entire draft?

 

[clydesdale line]

I agree. I thought Perreault would have been a fantastic pick pairing him and Bedard on the PP for a decade. I just envision a Carl Hagelin-type player in Moore. A useful piece but a level below a lot of the enthusiasm from Hawk Nation after the pick was made.

I agree with this. The one thing I question about this regime right now is their obsession with speed. Sure, I love the direction that they want to play like New Jersey for example (faster than everyone else, tenacity, etc) but it's almost like they are neglecting hockey sense in the process. Even the moves Davidson made this past summer (resigning Athanasiou, trading for Hall) you can question why are two guys who you are relaying on to play with Bedard but can not think the game on his level despite the speed are here. But I say this as someone who wasn't as high on Moore as others because of that.

 

[TLEH]

I've watched Moore a ton this year. He isn't among the best players in the Big 10. He still has a really high floor but he really struggles to play with people because he just flies around the ice at one speed. He doesn't have a ton of offensive creativity.

I was a Perreault guy too. I think Moore is .. fine he is going to play but I don't love his game in its current state.

 

[kmwtrucks]

the hawks are focused on skating and D with some size is how they are drafting. Which I tend to agree with. I think the issue is Perrault is 165 Lbs moore is 190. bedard needs a few larger guys that can help on the boards. I dont think you build a team for PP. you build a team for 5 X 5 and then scheme your pp to match up with personel. Maybe on the Blackhawk's moore only ends up a 3rd line player. that is ok. our top young forwards right now after bedard are Reichel 6' 175-180 and Nazr 5-10 165. how many guys can you have with no girth. our best young D are valsic 6-6, korchinski 6-2 and rinzel 6-4. it hurt losing perry, hall and athansiou. they are not world beaters but way better then what we are putting out there now.

 

[Castle8130]

Really? I've thought of Moore's upside as a middle 6C going back to before the draft, but even if he's just a 3C with great speed/forechecking ability that's still a valuable player for your team.

I do like Nadeau, but I don't think these guys are sure things to be better than whats reasonably expected of Moore.

Yeah at the time of the draft, I remember Pronman wrote an article about pro scouts opinions. They were all pretty split. Some scouts really loved Moore's game and thought he had a ton of potential. Another handful of scouts were less impressed and viewed him as a future bottom 6 buzzsaw (A majority of scouts were in the middle if I remember correctly). I was in agreement with the latter. Most of HFboards and amateur scouting services were on the Moore hype train. I think the Pro community was a little more split. (I am not claiming to be a Pro scout btw)

 

[Bonin21]

He has a skill that just can’t be taught (speed)

Unfortunately you could say the same about hockey IQ to a large extent

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

Unfortunately you could say the same about hockey IQ to a large extent

Hockey iq is one of the most overused terms on this site.

Unless you are on the ice with him during practise & games and can determine if he understands drills and instructions, no one knows his degree of hockey iq. I assure you he and all other players of his pedigree have an extremely high hockey iq.

Knowing the game of hockey at ice level is not what holds these guys back.

Only fan bois think that.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Do the Hawks need Perreault? They have Nazar in the same mold. How many small top 6 forwards can you have? Moore isn't the biggest, but brings an element that will be a big asset in speed. He can play 3rd/4th lines, if needed. Perreault is top 9 or bust, as is Nazar (as was Bedard, although obviously that wasn't gonna happen).

I would think that the Hawks need to worry about drafting some taller, stronger, more physical players. Your whole top 9 can't be below 6'0.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

lol wait.....

So the Hawks traded a top six, 30 goal scorer and this kid is projecting to be a 3rd line center?

And the internet were proclaiming the Hawks won the trade after they drafted him

This is a mega lol

 

[dj Mahoney]

I haven't seen a ton of the guy , very little , but I picture Todd Marchant when I think of Moore.

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[Peasy]

Hockey iq is one of the most overused terms on this site.

Unless you are on the ice with him during practise & games and can determine if he understands drills and instructions, no one knows his degree of hockey iq. I assure you he and all other players of his pedigree have an extremely high hockey iq.

Knowing the game of hockey at ice level is not what holds these guys back.

Only fan bois think that.

Since when does hockey IQ not come into play during the games lmao. How is it only relevant to a practice?

A difference in hockey IQ can absolutely stop a player from being a top 6 player VS a bottom 6 one.

Kapanen is a good example of this. Great tools, great bottom 6 player, but anytime he has a chance at top 6 he looks awful. He knows what to do to get into the offensive zone but after that he has no clue what to do with the puck. He has tunnel vision. He can't think of what's the best play here to extend this attack or generate a great scoring chance.

Moore had concerns his draft year about not fully utilizing his line mates, tunnel visioning on taking shots once entering the zone instead of finding the open teammate etc.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Moore and Perreault are very different players. They each have displayed the same traits that got each drafted in the First Round along with the same drawbacks as to why they weren't taken in the Top 15, I'd say it's a bit early to say there's been a pendulum shift in either of those directions.

lol wait.....

So the Hawks traded a top six, 30 goal scorer and this kid is projecting to be a 3rd line center?

And the internet were proclaiming the Hawks won the trade after they drafted him

This is a mega lol

No, the Hawks traded Hagel for Boris Katchouk, primarily. Keep up with your own efforts.

 

[plebskeeto]

Hawks fan here. Im pretty new to looking at these prospects and judging development, but wasn't Moore considered one of the best steals of last years very deep draft at #19?

Its confusing that there is so much hype around him then if he is only going to pan out to be a 3/4c, Blackhawks have tons of them already. Like our entire roster is bottom 6 players. I think that would be a huge let down?

Does he not have the proper tool set to be a top 6 guy? The impression is thats what we're hoping from him.

 

[Slats432]

Hawks fan here. Im pretty new to looking at these prospects and judging development, but wasn't Moore considered one of the best steals of last years very deep draft at #19?

Its confusing that there is so much hype around him then if he is only going to pan out to be a 3/4c, Blackhawks have tons of them already. Like our entire roster is bottom 6 players. I think that would be a huge let down?

Does he not have the proper tool set to be a top 6 guy? The impression is thats what we're hoping from him.

Thus far the offense is not there. Probably a for sure NHLer, just middle six/bottom six guy.

 

[kmwtrucks]

Hawks fan here. Im pretty new to looking at these prospects and judging development, but wasn't Moore considered one of the best steals of last years very deep draft at #19?

Its confusing that there is so much hype around him then if he is only going to pan out to be a 3/4c, Blackhawks have tons of them already. Like our entire roster is bottom 6 players. I think that would be a huge let down?

Does he not have the proper tool set to be a top 6 guy? The impression is thats what we're hoping from him.

when you look at the hawks current Roster bedard top line. Kurashev looks like maybe 3rd line Reichel TBA. Everybody else is 4th line. So if he ends up middle 6 that is fine. at 19 top 6 would be great but middle 6 centers have alot of value in the league. IE a 3rd line center has the same value as a 2nd line wing. you see top 6 wings get traded when do you see top 6 Centers traded?

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

Since when does hockey IQ not come into play during the games lmao. How is it only relevant to a practice?

A difference in hockey IQ can absolutely stop a player from being a top 6 player VS a bottom 6 one.

Kapanen is a good example of this. Great tools, great bottom 6 player, but anytime he has a chance at top 6 he looks awful. He knows what to do to get into the offensive zone but after that he has no clue what to do with the puck. He has tunnel vision. He can't think of what's the best play here to extend this attack or generate a great scoring chance.

Moore had concerns his draft year about not fully utilizing his line mates, tunnel visioning on taking shots once entering the zone instead of finding the open teammate etc.

I’m saying fans cannot possibly make that determination from the stands or by watching highlites.

It’s just a buzzword people use to make themselves sound like they are in the know.

 

[TLEH]

I’m saying fans cannot possibly make that determination from the stands or by watching highlites.

It’s just a buzzword people use to make themselves sound like they are in the know.

You can absolutely watch AA play hockey and realize he has poor hockey IQ. You can watch Josh Anderson and realize he has poor hockey IQ.

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

You can absolutely watch AA play hockey and realize he has poor hockey IQ. You can watch Josh Anderson and realize he has poor hockey IQ.

If u say so.

I say you can’t becuase you aren’t privy to what is being coached and if he is able to interpret & implement the instructions provided.

 

[TLEH]

If u say so.

I say you can’t becuase you aren’t privy to what is being coached and if he is able to interpret & implement the instructions provided.

Thats not hockey IQ. Hockey IQ is how fast do you process the on ice information and how far ahead do you see the play.

 

[Faceboner]

I still think he can be Larkin lite two way guy with speed and skill his decision making will get ironed out mid 6c with 50 point potential 70 points if everything goes right

 

[Malaka]

Thats not hockey IQ. Hockey IQ is how fast do you process the on ice information and how far ahead do you see the play.

This is what I meant on the other thread regarding Seth Jones. It’s not about making the right decision if you can make it, it’s whether you do make it and can keep up without reliance on athleticism

 

[SirSamofHouseBennett]

Thats not hockey IQ. Hockey IQ is how fast do you process the on ice information and how far ahead do you see the play.

IQ is alot of things and no one other than hockey people in direct contact with the player can make a credible assessment of this.