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I don't think they will ever be the same weight as Hischier has a slighter frame than Patrick does. Hischier is obviously not small, but Patrick is bigger.
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I don't think they will ever be the same weight as Hischier has a slighter frame than Patrick does. Hischier is obviously not small, but Patrick is bigger.
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Nico just doesn't impress enough. Not enough of a sample size to feel comfortable using the #1 on him, and I hope Shero feels the same way.
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Hopefully that's the case. I don't want an injury riddled kid who anyways doesn't really impress me as much as Nico.
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You aren't very impressed with a guy who put up a slightly worse ppg in a tougher league with an undiagnosed hernia!?
Excited at the possibility of the Flyers getting the best player available in the draft
I am worried, tho. Feels like the tide has turned in the last month it'll be a coin flip if he's there for us at 2.
I am worried, tho. Feels like the tide has turned in the last month it'll be a coin flip if he's there for us at 2.
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Excited at the possibility of the Flyers getting the best player available in the draft
I am worried, tho. Feels like the tide has turned in the last month it'll be a coin flip if he's there for us at 2.
I think it's been a coin flip from the start. There is no obvious choice here. I get the feeling our head scout likes Nico and our GM like Nolan.
Don't think it will matter who gets taken first, both should be good players.
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Based on Shero's drafting history in Pittsburgh, you better hope they go with who the scouts think should be the pick and not Shero.
Pens got a few later round gems when the scouting was left to the actual scouts (Murray, Guentzel, Rust, etc.), but whiffed on quite a few of the 1st round picks when Shero had a say (Morrow, Pouliot, Bennett, etc.).*
*For context, Shero was involved in the 1st round selection and left the rounds after that completely to the scouts. Not sure if that's the same setup in New Jersey.
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Honestly I don't know, but trading back and taking McLeod last season seems to have Castron's influence. McLeod doesn't seem like the type of guy Shero would have picked, especially with Brown sitting there.
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Sidney the Kidney
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Shero's own words. I forget when it was said, but he stated in an article back when he was the Pens' GM that he picked or had final say on whoever they took in the first round, then had confidence in his scouting staff to leave the rest of the draft to them.
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Shero also didn't have Castron in Pittsburgh, so I'm not sure how much we can really lean on past results.
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Perhaps, but I'm sure the pit fans have good reason to point it out. Hopefully he has changed and realizes he has to relinquish control a bit in this situation, but all we have currently is a track record via pens fans. That's really our best source of info.
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yea GM's don't have the time to scout players selected in the later rounds. and I doubt he overrode scouts so much on every first round pick. That's a small sample size of first round picks (and luck plays a part too especially separated from the higher picks of the draft) to really figure out what he's going to do. It's also really hard to judge what happened when you don't even have their ranked lists. What's good is that he realized the Penguins needed someone new to help lead the scouting department after a couple bad years and hired a new assistant scouting director Randy Sexton who still has the job today (although Botteril might take him to Buffalo).
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If you're bashing one of these two guys (Patrick/Hischier) you're just a hater. Both are exceptional prospects and both teams should be dancing at the opportunity to draft either.
At this point, I like both players equally and I would simply be excited for that type of player. Right now, I'll be upset if the Devils get either and I have to watch one of them play for a rival.
At this point, I like both players equally and I would simply be excited for that type of player. Right now, I'll be upset if the Devils get either and I have to watch one of them play for a rival.
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Look at what Conte did post 2000 in the draft: http://www.eliteprospects.com/draft_by_team.php?TeamID=66
He was well past his due date and Shero brought in his own guy (Castron) whom he had ties with.
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It seems like Shero pretty much left the 2015 draft to Conte and his staff. If you recall, he was in talks with Columbus on the draft floor about switching spots. Nothing came of it, but afterwards he said that if he didn't end up with Zacha, Conte would have strangled him.
With Castron, Shero said he would go with what is recommended to him if the scouting staff is leaning clearly in a particular direction, but that he would act as a "tie-breaker" if necessary.
Can't speak to how much control he had in Pittsburgh, but even if he made the first round selections, I wouldn't go too nuts on him. The picks weren't out of left field, and I can't imagine that he really went against the advice of his scouts.
With Castron, Shero said he would go with what is recommended to him if the scouting staff is leaning clearly in a particular direction, but that he would act as a "tie-breaker" if necessary.
Can't speak to how much control he had in Pittsburgh, but even if he made the first round selections, I wouldn't go too nuts on him. The picks weren't out of left field, and I can't imagine that he really went against the advice of his scouts.
There's gossip that Conte lost a lot of his mojo when someone on the staff was either fired or went elsewhere.
Towards the end of his tenure with the Devils he seems to have gotten really obsessed with big players, looking for that elusive Milan Lucic-type.
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Nico's now #1 on McKenzie's list, hockeyprospects and most of the recent rankings.
Interesting development, what's the reason behind it? They havent played a game in 2 months and did both equally fine at the combine..
Is it the height difference, which is smaller than expected?
Interesting development, what's the reason behind it? They havent played a game in 2 months and did both equally fine at the combine..
Is it the height difference, which is smaller than expected?
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