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C Mikhail Grigorenko - Quebec Remparts, QMJHL (2012 draft) III

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Xokkeu said:
Similar situations with Connolly and Niederreiter. It's why I'd like to see a revamp of the NHL-CHL agreement, but I don't know how that'd happen.
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The best draft year in recent memory spent their entire 18yo season in junior... it doesn't seem like it hurt them!
 
SergeConstantin74 said:
The best draft year in recent memory spent their entire 18yo season in junior... it doesn't seem like it hurt them!
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I agree. If they are not "plainly and obviously" ready, then it does no harm to finish out a half year of junior.

Burning off a year of his elc to boot, and for what? To play on the third and fourth lines getting minimal ice time?

I dont think that's a very good idea tbh.
 
MacOfNiagara said:
I understand Rampart fans being upset that they are losing a talent young player, but why does this keep getting repeated? Regier himself said that no such promise was ever made or implied.
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Regier said himself today that in October, Grigorenko was going back to the Q.

But Roy never said himself he got a confirmation from Regier.
 
Xokkeu said:
Huh?
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I meant 19yo, not 18.

The 2003 draft class spent their 19yo season in the CHL because of the previous lock out.

I'm not saying it's the case with Grigorenko, but bringing a player too fast in pro hockey hurt way more than letting him dominate another before taking the next step.
 
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SergeConstantin74 said:
Regier said himself today that in October, Grigorenko was going back to the Q.

But Roy never said himself he got a confirmation from Regier.
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Of course he did, there was a lockout, so remaining in Sabres camp wasnt an option nor was the AHL.

Do you have a link? Do he say "even if the lockout ends he is going to the QMJHL?"

Because if he did then he has directly contradicted his earlier statement.
 
SergeConstantin74 said:
I meant 19yo, not 18.

The 2003 draft class spent their 19yo season in the CHL because of the previous lock out.

I'm not saying it's the case with Grigorenko, but bringing a player too fast in pro hockey hurt way more than letting him dominate another before taking the next step.
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Connolly probably should have stayed in Junior but I guess Tampa really didn't want him staying in Prince George.

Neidderreiter is a case that probably helps your point. He was a very good junior player, but his 70 points in 55 games didn't really indicate that he was above and beyond the level without question. Keeping him in the NHL with minimal ice time probably didn't do much good for him.

Grigorenko though, like Galchenyuk, seems to be more advanced than Nino was. He had a better point per game ratio as a draft eligible player than Nino did after being drafted. He's on a tremendous pace right now near 2 points per game in the Q. That's a bit of a step up from Niederreiter or Connolly
 
Xokkeu said:
Connolly probably should have stayed in Junior but I guess Tampa really didn't want him staying in Prince George.

Neidderreiter is a case that probably helps your point. He was a very good junior player, but his 70 points in 55 games didn't really indicate that he was above and beyond the level without question. Keeping him in the NHL with minimal ice time probably didn't do much good for him.

Grigorenko though, like Galchenyuk, seems to be more advanced than Nino was. He had a better point per game ratio as a draft eligible player than Nino did after being drafted. He's on a tremendous pace right now near 2 points per game in the Q. That's a bit of a step up from Niederreiter or Connolly
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Grigorenko wasn't dominating in junior. It doesn't mean he won't be able to develop well in the NHL. But it's false to say he was dominating and didn't have anything left to learn there.
 
MacOfNiagara said:
Of course he did, there was a lockout, so remaining in Sabres camp wasnt an option nor was the AHL.

Do you have a link? Do he say "even if the lockout ends he is going to the QMJHL?"

Because if he did then he has directly contradicted his earlier statement.
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No, today Regier said if the NHL had started in October, Grigorenko was going back to the Q.
 
Bure said:
I watched him quite a bit, he looked bored imo. He was a top player in world juniors when it counted. I don't think he was giving it his all in junior. But hey that's just me.
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I don't think he's the kind of player who gets bored playing the game and trying to make it at the next level. It's having a poor opinion on someone. The way he acts and talks, he does look like he cares, like when he watched his junior team play last weekend.
 
Seems the guys on the team really enjoy having him around, judging by the reaction on the ice and at the bench after he scored last night. Two guys went to separate refs looking for the puck, Foligno was bear-hugging him, and they were congratulating him en masse even well after the goal over at the bench.
 
Chainshot said:
Seems the guys on the team really enjoy having him around, judging by the reaction on the ice and at the bench after he scored last night. Two guys went to separate refs looking for the puck, Foligno was bear-hugging him, and they were congratulating him en masse even well after the goal over at the bench.
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That Foligno tackle scared the hell out of me. Grigs's knee was in a really awkward position when he went down but it slipped under his body and he didn't seem to notice.

Image this: He scores his first goal, gets tackled by a teammate and shreds his knee. :laugh:
 
BobDobolina said:
Healthy scratch last night.

Sure looks like they rushed him.
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Well, I don't know if the scratch really proves much.
As already mentioned, they probably wanted to go with a tougher lineup against Boston now that they have some of those types healthy.

With that being said, his play is not NHL level yet and yes, I think they rushed him.
There was no reason to waste a cheap year ($925,000) for half of a season when the team was going to be bad.
He's not capable of contributing much right now and it was pretty obvious if you watched him in the Q that this was going to be the case.
The poor decision making shouldn't come as a surprise though since it's the Sabres we're talking about, who are not familiar with having young skilled forwards.
The other center they picked two spots after Grigorenko has been holding down the 3rd and 4th line wing spots in the AHL and has had great success to the tune of two concussions.
 
It's hard to say if he's either rushed or being mishandled at this point. He hasn't had a chance to play with any skill on his wing (save a few PP's) thus far. He occasionally will make a sick backhand playmaking attempt to someone who "should" be in the right spot.

Kinda hard to make plays when sharing a line with the likes of Jochen Hecht, John Scott, Pat Kaleta, etc.
 
BobDobolina said:
Healthy scratch last night.

Sure looks like they rushed him.
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I guess it would look like that if it meant anything, but it doesn't. Grigs had an assist on the game-winner the night before and was a + in each of his last 3. Ruff just wanted to give him a chance to watch the game from above now that he's played it a bit. Plenty of good players were healthy scratches as youngsters. Whether you agree with the process or not is a different question, but this is simply Ruff's way of acclimating him to the pro game.
 
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