C Mathew Barzal - Seattle Thunderbirds, WHL (2015, 16th, NYI) II

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Barzal with a 1+1, 2 point night for the Isles last night in preseason in 15mins of TOI. Trying to get the video for his goal.

Heard he is playing very well. He's not going back to Seattle. Too good for that. This is going to be a banner year for the Calder trophy. So many great rookies this year. Mathew is certainly one of them.
 

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Barzal with a 1+1, 2 point night for the Isles last night in preseason in 15mins of TOI. Trying to get the video for his goal.

Heard he is playing very well. He's not going back to Seattle. Too good for that. This is going to be a banner year for the Calder trophy. So many great rookies this year. Mathew is certainly one of them.

Gonna be VERY curious what happens in NYI. From what ive heard hes been real good in 2 games, pretty good in 1 game and very average in the other. I think it will come down to a last minute final decision. I honestly still think he will be back in Seattle when all is said and done. Seems like a lot of NYI fans are kinda split what they feel his fate this season should be. All are praising his skill and vision but are concerned about his strength and other small parts of his game. NYI has been working hard with him after games and practices to really improve on some aspects of his game

I just want all veterans to start playing and teams get thinned out and see how players like Barzal and others around the league do against a full actual NHL roster.

Im a GIANT Barzal fan and truly hope he sticks with NYI this season, but I just don't see it this season.

I also saw Bob McKenzie said that the Isles are more likely than not to send him back too
 

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Gonna be VERY curious what happens in NYI. I think it will come down to a last minute final decision. I honestly still think he will be back in Seattle when all is said and done. Seems like a lot of NYI fans are kinda split what they feel his fate this season should be. All are praining his skill and vision but are concerned about his strength and other small parts of his game

I just want all veterans to start playing and teams get thinned out and see how players like Barzal and others around the league do against a full actual NHL roster.

Im a GIANT Barzal fan and truly hope he sticks with NYI this season, but I just don't see it.

I saw Bob McKenzie said that the Isles are more likely than not to send him back too
NYI seems very cautious since the Niedereiter debacle. Now, Reinhart and Dal Colle probably weren't worthy of spots in retrospect but they also have intentions of being a competitive team which naturally makes them tougher to crack. If all these kids make the NHL stick, Canada's WJC team is going to be quite weak (potential losses of Strome, Marner, Konecny, Barzal, Dubois and even Chychrun and Chabot is massive).
 

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Gonna be VERY curious what happens in NYI. From what ive heard hes been real good in 2 games, pretty good in 1 game and very average in the other. I think it will come down to a last minute final decision. I honestly still think he will be back in Seattle when all is said and done. Seems like a lot of NYI fans are kinda split what they feel his fate this season should be. All are praising his skill and vision but are concerned about his strength and other small parts of his game. NYI has been working hard with him after games and practices to really improve on some aspects of his game

I just want all veterans to start playing and teams get thinned out and see how players like Barzal and others around the league do against a full actual NHL roster.

Im a GIANT Barzal fan and truly hope he sticks with NYI this season, but I just don't see it this season.

I also saw Bob McKenzie said that the Isles are more likely than not to send him back too

This is good info. Thx. Mathew can make the decision a foregone conclusion if he continues to play well. Last game he did what a kid is supposed to do. Earn a spot on the NHL roster. I know you and I posted a lot on him last year. We know what he is capable of. If Barzal plays like Barzal, he will make things tough for Isles Mgt. Or easy, if he is kept.
 

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NYI seems very cautious since the Niedereiter debacle. Now, Reinhart and Dal Colle probably weren't worthy of spots in retrospect but they also have intentions of being a competitive team which naturally makes them tougher to crack. If all these kids make the NHL stick, Canada's WJC team is going to be quite weak (potential losses of Strome, Marner, Konecny, Barzal, Dubois and even Chychrun and Chabot is massive).

Ya I agree. Although its awesome to see these young guys around the league really impress at camp so far, I really don't take it too too serious until teams dress full lineups. Once I see how the kids do VS them, then I have a better feeling for where they may play this season
 

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This is good info. Thx. Mathew can make the decision a foregone conclusion if he continues to play well. Last game he did what a kid is supposed to do. Earn a spot on the NHL roster. I know you and I posted a lot on him last year. We know what he is capable of. If Barzal plays like Barzal, he will make things tough for Isles Mgt. Or easy, if he is kept.

exactly. Its also tough to ignore when looking at NYI scoring leaders in pre season and see Barzal's name at the top!.. im really routing for the guy
 

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NYI seems very cautious since the Niedereiter debacle. Now, Reinhart and Dal Colle probably weren't worthy of spots in retrospect but they also have intentions of being a competitive team which naturally makes them tougher to crack. If all these kids make the NHL stick, Canada's WJC team is going to be quite weak (potential losses of Strome, Marner, Konecny, Barzal, Dubois and even Chychrun and Chabot is massive).

It certainly looks that way, although the US team is probably going to lose a load of talent as well. Wouldn't be surprised to see Barzal's buddy Beauvillier captain the Canadian squad, as he's quite unlikely to make NYI.

I feel certain that Barzal is going to start with the big club and continue unless he just can't cut it in the neutral and defensive zones over the first 9 games. It's not only that he's been so good, but that NYI desperately need him because of their weakness at center caused by Nielsen's loss. One of Nielsen's strengths was his ability to carry the puck through the neutral zone, and Barzal can do that too. If Barzal can show the ability to finish off the rush (an ability Nielsen honed over years), that will really help alleviate the loss. Defenders are obviously going to play the pass against Barzal until he makes them pay.

The other thing NYI fans have gotten to see is how good Josh Ho-Sang can be at the NHL level. The kid has performed well, but he's taken some hits. He'll go down the the AHL. Beauvillier hasn't been as dynamic as Ho-Sang, but he also seems more prepared to deal with the time and physicality (it helps that he likes to shoot the puck). Dal Colle definitely is the worst pro player of the lot right now, because he neither has the jump nor the strength to retrieve the puck at the pro level. NYI fans expect to see Dal Colle spend the whole year in the AHL. Ho-Sang is likely to get called up first. NYI are also *very* deep with players who play or can play LW (Ladd, Lee, Nelson, Kulemin, Chimera, Bailey). RW? Not so much.
 

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It certainly looks that way, although the US team is probably going to lose a load of talent as well. Wouldn't be surprised to see Barzal's buddy Beauvillier captain the Canadian squad, as he's quite unlikely to make NYI.

I feel certain that Barzal is going to start with the big club and continue unless he just can't cut it in the neutral and defensive zones over the first 9 games. It's not only that he's been so good, but that NYI desperately need him because of their weakness at center caused by Nielsen's loss. One of Nielsen's strengths was his ability to carry the puck through the neutral zone, and Barzal can do that too. If Barzal can show the ability to finish off the rush (an ability Nielsen honed over years), that will really help alleviate the loss. Defenders are obviously going to play the pass against Barzal until he makes them pay.

The other thing NYI fans have gotten to see is how good Josh Ho-Sang can be at the NHL level. The kid has performed well, but he's taken some hits. He'll go down the the AHL. Beauvillier hasn't been as dynamic as Ho-Sang, but he also seems more prepared to deal with the time and physicality (it helps that he likes to shoot the puck). Dal Colle definitely is the worst pro player of the lot right now, because he neither has the jump nor the strength to retrieve the puck at the pro level. NYI fans expect to see Dal Colle spend the whole year in the AHL. Ho-Sang is likely to get called up first. NYI are also *very* deep with players who play or can play LW (Ladd, Lee, Nelson, Kulemin, Chimera, Bailey). RW? Not so much.
Thanks for the insight. I would think that Crouse is likely the captain of Canada (can't see Zona carrying that many rookies) though.

Barzal is intriguing, would of thought R. Strome got the first shot at taking Nielsen's spot.
 

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Not surprised with how Barzal has been playing honestly. At the draft I would've been completely ok with the leafs taking Marner, Barzal or Hanifin. How he managed to fall to 16th is ridiculous.
 

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Barzal is intriguing, would of thought R. Strome got the first shot at taking Nielsen's spot.

Strome is probably going to get 2nd line minutes at center on a line with Anders Lee and Brock Nelson. I expect them to play more of a dump and chase/cycle game with Lee mucking it up.

But I kind of expect Barzal to elbow his way into the 1st PP unit. It seems to me that PP units need at least two players who can carry the puck into the zone in order to be really successful nowadays.

I also believe that Barzal is going to have an impact on the PK as the season goes on. Playing the roving forward on the Isle's press PK suits his skillset. NYI's PK forwards units were Cizikas-Clutterbuck and Nielsen-Kulemin. Someone has to fill Nielsen's role. I think it will be Bailey to start. But I don't think it'll be long before Barzal takes over that job.
 

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Not surprised with how Barzal has been playing honestly. At the draft I would've been completely ok with the leafs taking Marner, Barzal or Hanifin. How he managed to fall to 16th is ridiculous.

I thought he was a top 10 pick for sure before the draft. I had him ranked at #5OA. The guy is just ridiculously talented, I see no reason to change that opinion now. He was picked as one of the top 3 players for team Canada at the WJC. He led a modestly talented Seattle Thunderbirds team as their best player within a whisker to the Memorial Cup. And now he is showing he can earn a NHL spot on the merit of his play. Isles fans should be happy, having a JT/MB 1-2 punch down the middle. Not many teams in the NHL have as talented a duo to form their future top 2 lines.
 
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Not surprised with how Barzal has been playing honestly. At the draft I would've been completely ok with the leafs taking Marner, Barzal or Hanifin. How he managed to fall to 16th is ridiculous.

Agree

Barzal is going to be good
 

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Not surprised with how Barzal has been playing honestly. At the draft I would've been completely ok with the leafs taking Marner, Barzal or Hanifin. How he managed to fall to 16th is ridiculous.

Same. With Leafs having limited centre depth at the time, i actually preferred Barzal over Marner.
 

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With Parenteau released. Looks like Barzal is going to get more than a 9 game look this year. Isles showing confidence in their young players.
 

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Most people who follow NYI closely (Staple, Compton, etc.) expect it most likely that Barzal is going back after 9 games. Why the change of tune? (i) They see him as a center only, (ii) Beauvillier is versatile - can play any position, bottom 6 and PK, (iii) Ho-Sang had a fabulous camp and plays NYI's position of greatest need, RW. He's in the AHL now, but maybe not for long.

Basically, unless Barzal takes advantage of the few opportunities he'll have during the first 9 games (it's doubtful NYI will play both Barzal and Beauvillier in the same game) or something unexpected happens (injuries, Strome goes back into coach's doghouse, etc.), in my opinion he's going back to junior.
 

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Most people who follow NYI closely (Staple, Compton, etc.) expect it most likely that Barzal is going back after 9 games. Why the change of tune? (i) They see him as a center only, (ii) Beauvillier is versatile - can play any position, bottom 6 and PK, (iii) Ho-Sang had a fabulous camp and plays NYI's position of greatest need, RW. He's in the AHL now, but maybe not for long.

Basically, unless Barzal takes advantage of the few opportunities he'll have during the first 9 games (it's doubtful NYI will play both Barzal and Beauvillier in the same game) or something unexpected happens (injuries, Strome goes back into coach's doghouse, etc.), in my opinion he's going back to junior.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. With Prince injured

JT
Ladd
Lee
Strome
Nelson
Bailey
Kulemin
Chimera
Cizikas
Clutterbuck
Quine

are the only other available FWDs, and I can easily see them playing both guys over Quine.
 

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Personally, I think it all depends on Barzal. If he gets the opportunity and TOI, I know he will be productive. Also I don't think there is anything wrong with easing him into the NHL on the wing if this is where they want to introduce him. This seems to be the norm now in the NHL. He has all the talent in the world to play in the NHL. It's up to Capuano to find the best way to utilize him. Preferably in a position to succeed.
 

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Personally, I think it all depends on Barzal. If he gets the opportunity and TOI, I know he will be productive. Also I don't think there is anything wrong with easing him into the NHL on the wing if this is where they want to introduce him. This seems to be the norm now in the NHL. He has all the talent in the world to play in the NHL. It's up to Capuano to find the best way to utilize him. Preferably in a position to succeed.

Capuano doesn't put anyone, especially young players, in a position to succeed.
 

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Capuano doesn't put anyone, especially young players, in a position to succeed.

Ya I still don't think Barzal will be there for the year. Capuano mixed with a few aspects of his game he needs to work on will result in him back in WHL in my opinion. I really hope Im wrong cause Id love to see him in NYI all year, but we will see!
 

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Here is what Capuano said a few days ago.

"We have the luxury of having nine games with those guys and if we didn't think they were ready to help us, we would have sent them back to their junior programs," Capuano said. "We still have some time with them, we don't want to rush guys, so we just want to see how things play out."

Beauvillier scored the game-winning goal against the New Jersey Devils on Wednesday, but it was his defensive plays, hockey IQ and versatility that caught the eye of the coaches during camp. Barzal scored a goal and three assists in training camp, showcasing his dynamic offensive talent.

Beauvillier practiced on a line with Brock Nelson and Josh Bailey on Tuesday, while Barzal skated as an extra forward.

"It's probably the coolest thing in my life," Barzal said. "It's just a real cool time, but I'm not trying to get too excited. I'll have fun with it for a couple hours here and be excited, but come tomorrow, I'm still on a tryout, so I'm coming in and just trying to be the hardest worker every day."

Kid's got the right attitude!

https://www.nhl.com/islanders/news/barzal-beauvillier-islanders-roster/c-282561232
 

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Ya I still don't think Barzal will be there for the year. Capuano mixed with a few aspects of his game he needs to work on will result in him back in WHL in my opinion. I really hope Im wrong cause Id love to see him in NYI all year, but we will see!

In addition, I know he seems older. But it is easy to forget Barzal just turned 19, on May 26. If stays the whole year, he will be playing and ending his rookie year as a 19 year old player. He will only be 20 next season. Lots of time for him.
 
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