C Leon Draisaitl (2014, 3rd, EDM) II

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People can criticize the Oil for not sending Drai to WJC but kids been there twice before.

Also, indications are that he was asked if he wanted to attend for the 3rd time but he wanted to stay in the NHL and play. And you can't blame him for wanting to gain more experience and earn a paycheque.

We are not blaming him. But I surely would be further blaming the Oilers to make developmental decisions by asking a teenager whether he'd prefer to do something that they think would be beneficial for his development or whether he'd like to be in the NHL and get paid a ton of money. Not that it would surprise me at this point, but Jesus Christ.
 
You aren't supposed to let kids choose what's best for their development. The organization is supposed to put them in the best possible situation to help them grow. That couldn't more clearly be anywhere but where he is right now. Of course kids want to stay on the jets cashing the checks. That's why you have people making those choices.

The sabres had to tell Reinhart he wasn't going to make his million plus this year and instead would be back to riding buses and playing in front of a mostly empty barn. I bet he'd much rather have stayed in the nhl too. Same with Drouin last year. Or countless others in history.

Except the oilers. Who are the running joke of how not to develop a young player.
 
So apparently EDM will be sending Draisatl back to the WHL this weekend...

Mark Spector ‏@SportsnetSpec 13m13 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: Oilers expected to send Leon Draisaitl back to WHL by Saturday. Story up on Sportsnet.ca soon

I can't believe they would not release him to the WJHC and then send him back to juniors in the middle of the tournament. Absolutely ridiculous.
 
I fully believe the Oilers management are idiots. But what clue does anybody on this board have about player development?

If anybody here did they would be involved in some capacity at some level.

So most of you are talking/criticizing about an issue that you have no knowledge of. [mod]
 
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We are not blaming him. But I surely would be further blaming the Oilers to make developmental decisions by asking a teenager whether he'd prefer to do something that they think would be beneficial for his development or whether he'd like to be in the NHL and get paid a ton of money. Not that it would surprise me at this point, but Jesus Christ.

I thought I read that Boston asked Seguin if he wanted to go to the WJC when he was in his rookie year with the Bruins. Seguin of course said no and stayed with Boston.
 
Draisaitl will be sent down. The announcement won't happen until the WJC is done. The Rockets already at the max for imports. So if they want to add Drai they have to trade 1 of them and per rules 17 year old imports can't be moved so that only leaves 1 name who is playing for Swiss that can be moved.

Isn't there an exception for 1st rounders who are imports in the CHL?
 
I fully believe the Oilers management are idiots. But what clue does anybody on this board have about player development?

If anybody here did they would be involved in some capacity at some level.

So most of you are talking/criticizing about an issue that you have no knowledge of. [mod]

That's like saying that people can't criticise actors for a bad performance in a movie, because they've never acted in their life.

There are in-detail aspects of the job that we have no clue on. Right now if you asked me about every specific clause in a standard player contract, I would blank. But there are some aspects of being part of an NHL organization that we as fans have the ability to judge, because they aren't private and really are well known to fans, and in some cases are even obvious decisions regardless of who is or isn't in place.

This is one of those decisions. Leon is getting lit up in the NHL and even worse is basically assaulted with no repercussions by other teams. He wasn't ready for the show but the Oilers continued to play him in a baffling display of incompetence. Any other team would stick up for a raw rookie, but not this team. He's not getting minutes, he's not contributing on the ice, and he's getting bullied physically by his opponents. He's exactly the kind of player right now that MacT said he was trying to get rid of, namely "players who, on any given night, the most you could hope from them was that they'd be non-factors."

It doesn't take a genius to comprehend that what they're doing is stunting the growth of an excellent young player. Young players need confidence, they need to believe that they can play at their peak and that they'll help the team. This is not how you develop that confidence.

I can understand getting a few games before sending him down, because you want them hungry and at the same time aware of what they need to improve on to get that next chance. But all they're doing is turning a top-3 pick into a player who is basically ineffectual and surrounded by a team that is dysfunctional and in disarray. At this rate he might not even turn into the next Marcel Goc.

I want to see him succeed, but this is exactly what people feared when the Oilers took him in the draft. We absolutely have the right to criticise poor decisions made by incompetent personnel. It doesn't make us idiotic, it means we're educated enough to be able to recognize a failure and a stink when we see it.
 
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I thought I read that Boston asked Seguin if he wanted to go to the WJC when he was in his rookie year with the Bruins. Seguin of course said no and stayed with Boston.

Well...he stayed with them for a time...
 
I fully believe the Oilers management are idiots. But what clue does anybody on this board have about player development?

If anybody here did they would be involved in some capacity at some level.

So most of you are talking/criticizing about an issue that you have no knowledge of. [mod]
This is not a valid criticism in 2014.

Oilers did another Oilers thing, and I hope this kid gets traded before his career gets ruined.
 
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Also...it's hilarious that someone would try and pull the "you aren't a gm so your opinion doesn't matter" card. Everyone...and I mean everyone...oilers fans non oilers fans...knows that the oilers throw their kids in over their heads and it was talked about before Draisaitl ever skated for the team that they'd probably do it to him. He's been obviously even less ready than all the others they've dropped in the deep end. You don't have to work in hockey to be able to pay attention. This will be long overdue.
 
Ok geniuses what is the "proper" development model?

I already know the answers I'm going to get but I'm trying show you obvious....

There is no perfect development model. No one has any clue what is best for Drai. And never having developed a player or being part of the process means some of your are commenting with incomplete info. It's like criticizing a doctor or lawyer when you don't possess enough knowledge of the subject. [mod] Just my opinion. But we are all entitled to our opinions so please feel free to keep doing so
 
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Isn't there an exception for 1st rounders who are imports in the CHL?

I believe that rule is only about keeping a player on your "protected" list or something, ie. they can retain the rights of a first round pick and still carry two other imports on their roster, but have to make a decision about who to keep if that player is sent back.
 
Ok geniuses what is the "proper" development model?

I already know the answers I'm going to get but I'm trying show you obvious....

There is no perfect development model. No one has any clue what is best for Drai. And never having developed a player or being part of the process means some of your are commenting with incomplete info. It's like criticizing a doctor or lawyer when you don't possess enough knowledge of the subject.[mod] Just my opinion. But we are all entitled to our opinions so please feel free to keep doing so

Maybe not, but even the dumbest patient can tell something's wrong if a doctor goes through with a kidney transplant without using anesthesia.

This is just misdirected "I know that you don't know", of course we don't know exactly what's the best route for Draisaitl. But even you admitted the Oilers are incompetent. And we are luckily surrounded by at least a few hundred different quality NHL players from which to plot a course. That sample size gives us at least a rough idea of how good development is supposed to look like.

It sure as heck doesn't look like what Draisaitl is going through. Has a player ever become a top line forward after playing on the worst team in the league and scoring just 7 points in over 30 games the season immediately following his draft year? Heck, has a prospect ever stayed in the NHL the season after he was drafted after a 9-game audition of 1 goal, 2 assists, a -4 and 15 shots?

The justification laid upon us was that his last 2 games showed he was improving. He had 7 shots, a goal, 2 assists, and was +2 in his 8th and 9th game. This conveniently ignored his prior 7 games (1 assist, 8 shots, and a brutal -6). It also showed the mentality of Oilers management, in that they're using the NHL as a development league thinking that Draisaitl was going to just keep going up.

Guess what? Turns out, the NHL isn't going to be the league where an 18-year old player is going to be able to develop by going up against guys who are playing for their livelihood and couldn't care less whether or not he succeeds. His last 18 games he has 2 assists, 24 shots, and a -12 rating. If that is good development, then why is everyone else doing it wrong? Clearly they need to put their guys in positions to fail, it's tough love at its finest.

We've seen prospects develop and not many have become bigtime NHL contributors by being jerked around like a child's toy, that much I'm sure of. The first year I find is the most vital year for NHL teams to put their mark on the development of a young kid, and often it's what decides nearly everything in that kid's career path. This first year has been so brutally bad for Draisaitl that I'm not sure if he'll ever recover and become the player he was projected to be.
 
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At least there is hope for draisaitl. Joe Thornton had a 7pts rookie season with the Bruins.
Let's just hope that Oilers management will have changed by the time Draisaitl is back with the Oilers.

and question for those of you who watch a lot of Oilers hockey: did they tried to play Hall with Draisaitl and Yakupov and let another play with Nuge and Eberle? Or even play two vets with Draisaitl and put Yakupov in the best possible position to succeed and have fun, before he choose to go in the KHL next year?
 
Pretty classless not to send him to the wjc if they're sending him down. If he's being traded to Kelowna and Nicholson and Bruce Hamilton conspired that's a joke.

The oilers are an embarassment to the spirit of the game.
 
Unbelievable that the Oilers can be so incompetent. I hope this kids is traded so they don't destroy another youngsters career. The Oilers management are the worst in all of pro sports.
 
If draisatl was Canada's best junior aged player and they withheld him from the tourney only to send him back to junior the next week people would be going crazy. Even oilers fans. But it's Germany so who cares right?
 
Have any of you considered maybe Draisaitl didn't want to go to the WJCs? This was floated in the media a few weeks ago and apparently did happen with Seguin and the Bruins in 2010.

Crying about the spirit of the game. Good god. :shakehead
 
Unbelievable that the Oilers can be so incompetent. I hope this kids is traded so they don't destroy another youngsters career. The Oilers management are the worst in all of pro sports.

This is why I say that when people tell you to look how bad the penguins were before they got Crosby (when making a mceichel to Edmonton comparison) people are missing the point. Crosby went to a bad team. Mceichel is going to a bad franchise.
 
Oilers played this perfectly.

No benefit to sending him to PA where the set up is shoddy, no benefit to him getting destroyed at the world juniors, hold on, try to get him traded to a contender then send him down.
 
Oilers played this perfectly.

No benefit to sending him to PA where the set up is shoddy, no benefit to him getting destroyed at the world juniors, hold on, try to get him traded to a contender then send him down.

:laugh::laugh: Yeah right
 

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