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C Leon Draisaitl (2014, 3rd, EDM) II

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McLion said:
I know he'll eventually be our 3C but I really prefer Draisaitl on the wing right now with RNH/Hall. Perfect chemistry right now.

Lol @ the polls in the summer saying Marner/Strome were on a different level from Draisaitl as a prospect. :laugh:
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I know some dont believe me but I am telling you Draisaitl sees the ice the same way Mc David does. That is how good the guy really is. He just doesnt have the speed or natural physical talent Mc David does.
 
Just goes to show that just because a player struggles in the NHL as an 18 year old on a crappy team, doesn't mean he's a bust.
 
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McLion said:
Thing is, this was basically all of HF.

Just goes to show that just because a player struggles in the NHL as an 18 year old on a crappy team, doesn't mean he's a bust.
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Not just 18, I would go as far as saying 19 and 20 years old as well.

After that, then you can start maybe, just maybe labelling a player a bust if he was chosen really high in a draft.
 
Breakers said:
Not just 18, I would go as far as saying 19 and 20 years old as well.

After that, then you can start maybe, just maybe labelling a player a bust if he was chosen really high in a draft.
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I guess Bobby Ryan and Ryan Getzlaf are busts too then?
 
I don't think he'll continue to shoot 28% but damn he looks good on the right wing. I almost don't want him to play there because I think he has more value (trade + on ice) as a center.
 
McDoused said:
I guess Bobby Ryan and Ryan Getzlaf are busts too then?
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What are you talking about?

If a player is chosen in the top 5 and hasn't started producing by 21 or 22, you can start discussing him being a bust.

Getzlaf wasn't chosen really high.

Bobby Ryan made his debut when he was 20 and started producing.
 
Signed said:
The odd man out will be Jordan Eberle.

He has the lowest ceiling of the core, he is the oldest. Its my opinion Taylor Hall is oldest core piece and he is still 23 years old.
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So we are clear 11-12 to 14-15

Eberle was 102G 241P
the only players better were
Malkin
Ovechkin
Tavares
Kessel
Stamkos
Benn
Sequin
P. Kane
Pavelski
Eberle's worst season was 24G 63P the other three were better.

Of this group of 10 best G and point producers only Ovi and Kane produced equal to or better than 24G 63P in all 4 seasons.

if you are looking for consistent year to year G and PT production, not peak and trough scorers.
the top 3 are
OVI
KANE
EBERLE
3rd most consistent producer in the game last 4 years is the lowest Ceiling.
 
oilerbear said:
So we are clear 11-12 to 14-15

Eberle was 102G 241P
the only players better were
Malkin
Ovechkin
Tavares
Kessel
Stamkos
Benn
Sequin
P. Kane
Pavelski
Eberle's worst season was 24G 63P the other three were better.

Of this group of 10 best G and point producers only Ovi and Kane produced equal to or better than 24G 63P in all 4 seasons.

if you are looking for consistent year to year G and PT production, not peak and trough scorers.
the top 3 are
OVI
KANE
EBERLE
3rd most consistent producer in the game last 4 years is the lowest Ceiling.
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Isn't that a good thing for the oilers then lol
 
So, is Strome still miles better than Draisaitl or? Because just last spring they weren't even close according to most people here. Not hating on Strome but last year it was all about how bad Drai was, no good production in NHL and I was told he had regressed. I mean he wasn't even 2 PPG in his short junior stint, clearly borderline bust territory.

I preferred Draisaitl over Strome then and I still do, although Strome has grown on me since then. I just like what Drai brings to the table way more. He's just what the doctor ordered.
 
Signed said:
The odd man out will be Jordan Eberle.

He has the lowest ceiling of the core, he is the oldest. Its my opinion Taylor Hall is oldest core piece and he is still 23 years old.
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Odd man out is Yakupov, imo.

Pou-McD-Eberle

Yak is kind of a headless chicken without McD. Eberle is a proven commodity.
 
oilerbear said:
So we are clear 11-12 to 14-15

Eberle was 102G 241P
the only players better were
Malkin
Ovechkin
Tavares
Kessel
Stamkos
Benn
Sequin
P. Kane
Pavelski
Eberle's worst season was 24G 63P the other three were better.

Of this group of 10 best G and point producers only Ovi and Kane produced equal to or better than 24G 63P in all 4 seasons.

if you are looking for consistent year to year G and PT production, not peak and trough scorers.
the top 3 are
OVI
KANE
EBERLE
3rd most consistent producer in the game last 4 years is the lowest Ceiling.
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Thanks for the effort you put into this. :)

Lets put Eberle on another team with the exact same numbers.

Would you trade Taylor Hall for Eberle? No. Would you trade RNH for Eberle? No. Never mind Mc David , would you trade Draisaitl for Eberle? You could make an argument but I wouldnt do the trade.

The only core forward the Oilers have that is worth less than Eberle is Yakupov whom is undeveloped so the Oilers cant trade him regardless. Eberle is the one to go.
 
Signed said:
Thanks for the effort you put into this. :)

Lets put Eberle on another team with the exact same numbers.

Would you trade Taylor Hall for Eberle? No. Would you trade RNH for Eberle? No. Never mind Mc David , would you trade Draisaitl for Eberle? You could make an argument but I wouldnt do the trade.

The only core forward the Oilers have that is worth less than Eberle is Yakupov whom is undeveloped so the Oilers cant trade him regardless. Eberle is the one to go.
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Depends. For all we know McDavid + Eberle might be incredible together, that honestly wouldn't shock me all that much to be honest.
 
Do you guys think Draisaitl is more suited to play wing or center with Edmonton. I know he's a natural center but Idk if he should be a #3 Center in the nhl. Sorry guys haven't seen many gamez but see he's getting points.
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JFA87-66-99 said:
Do you guys think Draisaitl is more suited to play wing or center with Edmonton. I know he's a natural center but Idk if he should be a #3 Center in the nhl. Sorry guys haven't seen many gamez but see he's getting points.
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I think hes suited for either. Hes a pretty good center as evidenced by his junior days, but hes been a very good winger in the NHL thus far. I think if he got shifted to center right now, he wouldnt look as good as center is harder to learn as a young player. I think in 100 or so more games he can be tried throughly at center and a better call could be made.

Id actually like to see him at winger should all our young D turn out as advertised (dont have to trade a forward then). Let RNH and McDavid handle center duties
 
JFA87-66-99 said:
Do you guys think Draisaitl is more suited to play wing or center with Edmonton. I know he's a natural center but Idk if he should be a #3 Center in the nhl. Sorry guys haven't seen many gamez but see he's getting points.
o
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Don't mind either. Right now he's better suited to play wing as it's easier to break into the league in that position but I think he could be a truly dominant centre when he gets some more experience, think 3-4 years down the road.
 
JFA87-66-99 said:
Do you guys think Draisaitl is more suited to play wing or center with Edmonton. I know he's a natural center but Idk if he should be a #3 Center in the nhl. Sorry guys haven't seen many gamez but see he's getting points.
o
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IMO it would be a tragedy to see him full-time as a NHL winger. Because his acceleration isn't yet 1C - he's suited for 1RW duty for this season.

He'd be fine as 3C once McDavid returns. I'm least worried about his defensive game (see the entire Kelwona Rockets run to the Memorial Cup finals), but his talent would be wasted in a checking role.
 
voxel said:
IMO it would be a tragedy to see him full-time as a NHL winger. Because his acceleration isn't yet 1C - he's suited for 1RW duty for this season.

He'd be fine as 3C once McDavid returns. I'm least worried about his defensive game (see the entire Kelwona Rockets run to the Memorial Cup finals), but his talent would be wasted in a checking role.
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I dont think so. Winger is still very important in the NHL. If his skill set is best suited for winning board battles and making passes from the boards then maybe he is well suited for wing. I think HF has this obession with over rating the center position and under rating wingers. Plus hell wonderfully slot into a #1 or #2C role should RNH/McDavid get injured or RNH get traded

However if we can develop a good winger prospect then I could see him as a 3c in a 3 line scoring situation

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Poliout-McDavid-Yak
Slepyshev-Drasaitl-Lander (something to that effect)
 
I think it's ok to have him as a winger who can take some draws and play "centre" on defense/offense as gameflow dictates. If RNH gets caught deep he can easily play centre on D.
 
was able to catch a few moments of their game last night, he looks good.
 
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I had Draisaitl as my 4th best ranked player in the 2014 draft. He's killing it this year thus far. 10 points in 6 games, top 6 player. Good to see him make the most of his chances this year. The 2014 draft proving to be a quality draft. You can not go wrong when you pick size, skill and depth down the middle.
 
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