C Joseph Veleno - Saint John Sea Dogs, QMJHL (2018, 30th, DET)

[Hockey RUS]

Everyone in LSL knows, that Veleno it was all about the fastest path to the NHL.

He now sets bar for exceptional status and people can debate now how low it has been set.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

I'd really love to see Saint John pass on him and Acadie-Bathurst take him.

 

[Plastic Joseph]

I'd really love to see Saint John pass on him and Acadie-Bathurst take him.

GM of Saint John has basically saidtthey're picking him #1.

 

[Mark Kandy]

Logic decision to take him #1 as you'll guaranteed your team a solid player for three years instead of two...

 

[IHaveNoCreativity]

I'd really love to see Saint John pass on him and Acadie-Bathurst take him.

Would be funny.

Joey is good, he'll be a first round NHL pick, I just don't think he's ready for QMJHL hockey. He didn't dominate Midget, he was average to be honest.

 

[Hockey RUS]

I really believe that one more year of Midget AAA would have done wonders for him.

He was very good as a surclassed player but, was well surrounded when he was on the ice.

Playing Midget AAA for one more year, would have kept other options open to him.

 

[Suzuki x 14]

Everyone in LSL knows, that Veleno it was all about the fastest path to the NHL.

He now sets bar for exceptional status and people can debate now how low it has been set.

somewhere below the ankles.
I know the kid personally and like him a lot, just dont think it's the right move.
I hope it all works out for him and his family, very nice people.

I'd really love to see Saint John pass on him and Acadie-Bathurst take him.

Its set in stone, he's going #1

 

[wein]

Everyone in LSL knows, that Veleno it was all about the fastest path to the NHL.

He now sets bar for exceptional status and people can debate now how low it has been set.

Day set the low standard, Veleno just got in because of the low standard already set.

 

[Passchendaele]

He sounds like an immature brat.

McDavid went to Erie (where nobody wanted to go previously) and turned the team into a contender without saying a word.

Veleno doesn't apply for exceptional status because he's waiting to see where he would end up and finally gets his way using blackmail as a tool.

 

[Patmac40]

He sounds like an immature brat.

McDavid went to Erie (where nobody wanted to go previously) and turned the team into a contender without saying a word.

Veleno doesn't apply for exceptional status because he's waiting to see where he would end up and finally gets his way using blackmail as a tool.

A 15 year-old kid gets a chance to have a little say in where he ends up going, how is that necessarily a bad thing? And how did he blackmail anyone?

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Day set the low standard, Veleno just got in because of the low standard already set.

none of that is true but OK

 

[Raimu]

He sounds like an immature brat.

McDavid went to Erie (where nobody wanted to go previously) and turned the team into a contender without saying a word.

Veleno doesn't apply for exceptional status because he's waiting to see where he would end up and finally gets his way using blackmail as a tool.

Everything I've highlighted is a baseless assumption based on nothing except your own glaring ignorance.

Who's the immature brat here? Does it make you feel big to talk crap about a 15 year old kid?

He's made it clear he wanted to play in the Q this year or not at all for months, before he know SJ had the #1 pick.

It was the commissioners screw up that caused the problem, not the Veleno camp.

 

[Passchendaele]

Everything I've highlighted is a baseless assumption based on nothing except your own glaring ignorance.

Who's the immature brat here? Does it make you feel big to talk crap about a 15 year old kid?

He's made it clear he wanted to play in the Q this year or not at all for months, before he know SJ had the #1 pick.

It was the commissioners screw up that caused the problem, not the Veleno camp.

He didn't request exceptional player status until way after the Hockey Canada deadline.

Quote from an article a few months old:

L’adolescent natif de Kirkland prévient que s’il n’obtient pas ce qu’il veut, il regardera plutôt du côté de l’USHL et de la NCAA pour poursuivre son développement.

Translation: The teenager from Kirkland said that if he's not granted EP status, he'll look towards the USHL/NCAA to pursue his development.

How is that not blackmail?

I think a similar thing happened with Sean Day.

 

[Raimu]

Translation: The teenager from Kirkland said that if he's not granted EP status, he'll look towards the USHL/NCAA to pursue his development.

How is that not blackmail?

I think a similar thing happened with Sean Day.

You don't think it's okay to apply pressure on the league to make a decision? If you're his parent/adviser you'd be stupid not to. He's only got 3 years to get to the NHL, and if that's the goal you do what's best for the kid.

The league could have called his bluff and said no, but who wins in that situation? Nobody.

Just because you personally don't like it doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do. You personal sense of entitlement doesn't have anything to do with the decision.

And regarding the deadline: This is the first time this has happened in the QMJHL. Who knows if his handlers even knew about the deadline? I know I didn't.

 

[PorkChopSandwiches]

I really believe that one more year of Midget AAA would have done wonders for him.

He was very good as a surclassed player but, was well surrounded when he was on the ice.

Playing Midget AAA for one more year, would have kept other options open to him.

IMO he is going to be very well surrounded and supported in Saint John and really he has nothing more to prove in Midget and has proven he can play with the best 15 yo. There is not anything left for him to do in Midget. He will get appropriately challenged in Jr and then he can be the judge of his own path from there.

If he was going to a rebuilding team then I would agree that it may not be the right choice, it would simply be too much to heap on a 15yo.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

He didn't request exceptional player status until way after the Hockey Canada deadline.

Quote from an article a few months old:



Translation: The teenager from Kirkland said that if he's not granted EP status, he'll look towards the USHL/NCAA to pursue his development.

How is that not blackmail?

I think a similar thing happened with Sean Day.

Is Nate Mackinnon also horrible for claiming he was going to go to the USHL unless Baie Comeau traded him?

 

[hockeykid87]

Is Nate Mackinnon also horrible for claiming he was going to go to the USHL unless Baie Comeau traded him?

I really don't like it when players do that. I know he's not the first, (Hall, Domi) and he won't be the last, but I just hate it when players do that.

 

[Raimu]

I really don't like it when players do that. I know he's not the first, (Hall, Domi) and he won't be the last, but I just hate it when players do that.

See I have a problem with this argument. because generally, the argument is that they're being bratty or entitled.

However, the reverse is generally the reality. These kids are exceptional hockey players. As such, they have lots of organizations after them, and not just inside the QMJHL.

Fans of any league feel that player somehow belongs to them, because he was born in their area and is eligible for the draft. However, the player has ZERO obligation to the QMJHL, or to NCAA, hell, he can even give up hockey if he wants, it's his choice. His life.

In reality it's the fans that act entitled and spoiled. Not the talent.

 

[wein]

none of that is true but OK

Ok, explain. Veleno will go first in his draft but OK.

So, Day going 4th in his draft does not lower the bar enough so that Veleno, who will go #1, can get into the CHL without lowering the standard set by Day?

 

[3 Minute Minor]

Ok, explain. Veleno will go first in his draft but OK.

Sean Day was the size of a man and skated better than most of them. Regardless of how early you want to write a young D-man off, he was & is an exceptional talent with his skating alone. He could have gone to Shattuck or GTHL or Jr. A instead, he was going to be able to outskate everyone on the ice with ease and not really be pushed like he could in the OHL. Hell he was one of the best skaters when he was 15, he just needs to co-ordinate his brain with his feet which as we all know, can take a bit longer with D.

If you can find a post where I compared Sean Day to Joseph Veleno, I'll go buy a hat and eat it.

This is probably the worst draft of the decade so far, him looking good in QMAAA isn't that exceptional. If the bar is being good in midget, why not give Jared McIsaac exceptional status while we're at it. He was the best D-man for NS throughout the year in NSMMHL & CWG and put up respectable numbers compared to 2014 #1 pick Luke Green.

 

[wein]

Sean Day was the size of a man and skated better than most of them. Regardless of how early you want to write a young D-man off, he was & is an exceptional talent with his skating alone. He could have gone to Shattuck or GTHL or Jr. A instead, he was going to be able to outskate everyone on the ice with ease and not really be pushed like he could in the OHL. Hell he was one of the best skaters when he was 15, he just needs to co-ordinate his brain with his feet which as we all know, can take a bit longer with D.

If you can find a post where I compared Sean Day to Joseph Veleno, I'll go buy a hat and eat it.

This is probably the worst draft of the decade so far, him looking good in QMAAA isn't that exceptional. If the bar is being good in midget, why not give Jared McIsaac exceptional status while we're at it. He was the best D-man for NS throughout the year in NSMMHL & CWG and put up respectable numbers compared to 2014 #1 pick Luke Green.

I compared Veleno to Day with regard to exceptional status so by saying I was wrong then you compared them as well... So Day can skate exceptionally well and that is why he didnt lower the bar as much as Veleno, OK.

 

[3 Minute Minor]

I compared Veleno to Day with regard to exceptional status so by saying I was wrong then you compared them as well... So Day can skate exceptionally well and that is why he didnt lower the bar as much as Veleno, OK.

You said Day set a low bar, which I disagree with, so obviously I don't agree that Veleno getting exceptional status had anything to do with that.

 

[wein]

You said Day set a low bar, which I disagree with, so obviously I don't agree that Veleno getting exceptional status had anything to do with that.

Ok, I disagree with you but that's fine and I'm not blaming Day but instead HC. Letting in Day, who I don't believe is or was exceptional, lowered the bar so that players like Veleno do not need to be exceptional anymore but only very good players. I don't think Veleno lowered the bar anymore than Day but that's just me.

Edit: Is it really that arguable though that Day set the bar low after players like Tavares, Ekblad and McDavid?

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

See I have a problem with this argument. because generally, the argument is that they're being bratty or entitled.

However, the reverse is generally the reality. These kids are exceptional hockey players. As such, they have lots of organizations after them, and not just inside the QMJHL.

Fans of any league feel that player somehow belongs to them, because he was born in their area and is eligible for the draft. However, the player has ZERO obligation to the QMJHL, or to NCAA, hell, he can even give up hockey if he wants, it's his choice. His life.

In reality it's the fans that act entitled and spoiled. Not the talent.

I'm pretty much the same view of you. CHL and NCAA are big business and a lot of money is made on the backs of the most talented (both when those players are in the league and from 'development payments' when the players are drafted - at least in the CHL...not sure the particulars re NCAA.

As far as Veleno/Exceptional Status - a question to ask (maybe worth of its own thread) - is what it actually means. Tavares - at the time - seemed other-worldly, went 1st overall in the OHL then NHL draft, and had a dominant OHL career; Ekblad was, in hindsight, pretty similar - although people weren't always forgiving towards him - he got EC, went 1st overall in the OHL draft, got OHL rookie of the year, was cut from Hlinka after his OHL rookie season (cue head shaking), was the subject of some debate over NHL 1st pick, ended up having the best 18 yr old Dman season of recent memory. McDavid - we know how things have gone for him so far.

Day? Relative to Tavares/Ekblad/McDavid he's a bit of the red-headed stepchild. However, at no point has he looked ill-equipped for the OHL. Meaning, although he has not been dominant in the same way that previous EC players have been, he's fit in well with his OHL draft class.

So that brings me back to my initial question - should EC be for those who can prove they will be the best of those a full year earlier - or should it also include those who, simply put, are able to excel at the major jr. level rather than staying in their (to use the Ont. term) minor midget season?

 

[Mark Kandy]

Joseph Veleno drafted by QJMHL St-John Sea Dogs, done!