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C Jack Hughes - USNTDP (2019 Draft) Part III
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Then Colefield is like 5'4" based on the pictures of them breaking the records together.
I’ve done watching multiple Jack Hughes games recently and here is my take. I don’t think he reminds me from Patrick Kane at all. He doesen’t have world class shot/release like Kane had at same age. Some people might argue shot is easiest thing to train but it is not. If it is we should have more world class releases in the league but we have only few. Defenses are getting much better at high level and there is so much less time and room to shoot. Other thing is Kane being much stronger at the boards at same age. Kane was in suprisingly good fit and had good balance even when NHL players were on him. One thing is his skating. People like to compare it to McDavid but it is not close at all especially if we talk about top speed. Jack Hughes has incredible accerelation what is most important thing in skating but he is not a speedster. I think his brother is a better skater.
Jack Hughes reminds me from more offensively talented and more dynamic Teuvo Teravainen. They both are primary playmakers that are solid at scoring not because of their shot but they know how to pick their spot. Both have similar frame and they move like waterbugs on ice always their head up. I think Hughes do this kind of skating even better than Teuvo but the movement is similar. If Jack Hughes take similar approach to Teravainen to win battles he will be fine in the NHL. Just outsmart opposition because they have similar frame and lose clear majority of the physical battles. He will gain strength and weight for sure but this is restricted by genetics and adding too much weight hurts mobility. He is naturally physically really weak so it is unlikely to him ever be a guy who beats opposition players with force in regular basis. I still think he will be fine in the NHL and can be effective two-way player because of his IQ.
People might think this comparison is lame because people expect Kane like player but while i believe Hughes having franchise ceiling compared to very good/borderline elite ceiling of Teravainen they share similar style and struggles IMO.
Jack Hughes reminds me from more offensively talented and more dynamic Teuvo Teravainen. They both are primary playmakers that are solid at scoring not because of their shot but they know how to pick their spot. Both have similar frame and they move like waterbugs on ice always their head up. I think Hughes do this kind of skating even better than Teuvo but the movement is similar. If Jack Hughes take similar approach to Teravainen to win battles he will be fine in the NHL. Just outsmart opposition because they have similar frame and lose clear majority of the physical battles. He will gain strength and weight for sure but this is restricted by genetics and adding too much weight hurts mobility. He is naturally physically really weak so it is unlikely to him ever be a guy who beats opposition players with force in regular basis. I still think he will be fine in the NHL and can be effective two-way player because of his IQ.
People might think this comparison is lame because people expect Kane like player but while i believe Hughes having franchise ceiling compared to very good/borderline elite ceiling of Teravainen they share similar style and struggles IMO.
Yeah that sounds like a great 3 to match up. And if we are talking say U24 the US is better talent wise. Mathews, Eichel, Larkin, Boesser, Debricant, the Tkachuks, Keller and then on D with Jones, Werenski, McAvoy, and Slavin. Goalie wise Gibson is a stud and is a better goalie then any of the recent canadian products.
Canada has McDavid and Marner. Barzal hasnt taken a big step forward. Still a great C but I wouldnt take him over Mathews or the 2 way game and speed of Larkin. We'd have the fastest forward in Larkin and fastest D in Jones. McDavid has said before he thinks Jones is faster then he is.
If you want to say all ages I still think the US is on top right now being able to add guys like Kane, Atkinson, and some older D.
There is nothing wrong with Canada no longer being on top of the hockey world it was only a matter of time before other countries decided to up their game and start development programs. They can always fight back and grab it but right now its the US and Finland is right on everyones heels.
While most people use elite prospects to get their stats(it’s not horrible but usually is behind)
They would see Jack actually has had a great season this year.
36 USHL games- 74 points
11 NCAA games- 17 points
edit: these stats are from the USA hockey website. When you go on USHL, he has 40 points in 20 games. Maybe the 74 points in 36 games is his total overall? I don’t know. USA u18 makes it kind of hard to find stats. One this I know for sure is that he does have 17 points in 11 NCAA games(which is elite for a 17/18 year old)
They would see Jack actually has had a great season this year.
36 USHL games- 74 points
11 NCAA games- 17 points
edit: these stats are from the USA hockey website. When you go on USHL, he has 40 points in 20 games. Maybe the 74 points in 36 games is his total overall? I don’t know. USA u18 makes it kind of hard to find stats. One this I know for sure is that he does have 17 points in 11 NCAA games(which is elite for a 17/18 year old)
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Pavel Buchnevich
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Hughes might score more points next season than Teravainen.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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Not a bad comparison actually. It'll be interesting to see how well Hughes does in his first NHL season. There were some murmurs a while ago that he should spend another year in juniors.
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More points than Teuvo Teräväinen this season?..... Now that's funny.
TT will score over 70 points this season,somewhere in the range of 70-75
There's no chance in hell for Hughes scoring 75 points in his rookie season as an 18 year old.
He said next season. If Teravainen regresses and "only" has 50-60 points next year then it's possible. But I don't think Jack is going to have a similar or better rookie season than Matthews.
It would be nice to be able to read about Hughes in the Hughes thread.
I only responded after reading @mikeyp24 fill two pages with falsities almost completely unrelated to Hughes.
Back to Jack...
Is there any certainty yet about if he’s playing in the U-18 or WC?
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It's kind of an open ended comment though in that regard. He could outscore any player if they regress or get injured.
I guess a better question for @Pavel Buchnevich is what does he mean with that statement. What type of point total would you expect from Hughes next year? (Not being a smart ass here, it's a serious question as I don't follow prospects well enough to have a feel for how good he'll be right away). You think he's got a good shot at 50? 60? 70? More?
For reference, the highest point totals from a rookie post draft season in the past 10 drafts. Matthews is the high water mark, although McDavid would have likely surpassed that if healthy. That said, scoring is up in the NHL over when a lot of these guys achieved those numbers.
2008: Stamkos - 46 points
2009: Duchene - 55, Tavares - 54
2010: Skinner - 63
2011: Landeskog/RNH: 52
2012: Yakupov (31/48 = 53P /82GP)
2013: MacKinnon - 63
2014: Eckblad - 39
2015: Eichel - 56 (McDavid had 48 in 45GP for a 82 game pace of 87P)
2016: Matthews - 69
2017: Hischier - 52
2018: Dahlin 38 (in 72GP)
Pavel Buchnevich
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I would put Teravainen’s range at 60-75, while Hughes range is probably bigger and could go from 45-85. I think Hughes will be at least good for 40+, but how many will depend on a multitude of factors.
Would love to see Hughes in the WC playing against pro men. I bet team USA takes him!
Yup, the linemates will be a huge factor. I’d say Hughes will atleast hit 45 next year, if it all goes right and he gets tons of PP time he could hit like 75.
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When/if he plays in the NHL next year (still unsure he should) I think he’ll be alright. I don’t know about him consistently driving play or cracking 70 but he’s so skilled and smart that he will likely produce at a decent clip - around 50 points give or take.
Biggest thing for me though is that I think Hughes in 2019-20 will look very different from Hughes in a few more years. A lot of weak points in his play can be tied to physical attributes imo. When he fills out, his game will tighten up significantly and he’ll be a very, very good and productive 1C for a long time.
Biggest thing for me though is that I think Hughes in 2019-20 will look very different from Hughes in a few more years. A lot of weak points in his play can be tied to physical attributes imo. When he fills out, his game will tighten up significantly and he’ll be a very, very good and productive 1C for a long time.
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Predicting his point total before seeing what team he winds up on is extremely difficult.
Let's say Ottawa (really Colorado) wins the lottery. Well he is likely to drop on PP1 with the big three and one D-man. This would significantly impact his output more than likely.
If he winds up with the Wings, we have a bad PP with not as much to offer. You could see how just that one change would be massive in terms of a point line prediction.
Yeah for sure, probably bypass him easily tbh. If Hughes just was a bit bigger, if his shot was just fifty times better, if he had insane lower body strength, if his edgework was unparalleled and his vision was without equal he could have rivaled Gretzky.
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I don't disagree with that at all, which is why I was asking for clarification when it was stated he may outscore a guy that put up 66 points last year and will put up over 70 this year. Just wanted clarification on what the poster expected from him (and he provided a range which is fine).
No player other than McDavid (when looking at 82 game pace) has put up over 70 points in the year post draft in over 10 years. I'm not that familiar with Hughes, but that's some rare air if he can do that.
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I have always been very critical of him. This year has not really changed that for me at all. He looks alot like Nylander on bad nights (after sitting out a few months) but constantly. He is very high risk. Not the ideal first overall at all. Also playing him next year wouldn't do him much good
Seen the comparison before, don't really get it. I don't think Hughes is on McDavid's level in any category. Nevermind the size, I don't think his skating or hands are at that level, either. Also, McDavid plays a much more aggressive a game, Hughes's more of a perimeter player. McDavid's shot was also his weakness at the time of the draft, true.
