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C Jack Hughes - USNTDP (2019 Draft) Part III

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Patagonia said:
Hughes is comparable to PKane. He can dart through traffic and controls the play. McDavid or Eichel seems to be a stretch, since they have size and power. He's more of a finesse player that drives offensive plays.
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Patrick Kane plays slow.

Edit: plays the game slow.

Hughes does not.
 
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Peasy said:
Patrick Kane plays slow.
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PKane is 30 years old and reached his scoring career high or 3rd overall is extremely impressive. His accomplishments is impressive when he carried CHI most of the year to the edge of the playoffs. He played without a stacked team or 100 point line mate brought MVP discussions.

Nonetheless, the rest of the league must be even slower if he can perform so well.
 
Patagonia said:
PKane is 30 years old and reached his scoring career high or 3rd overall is extremely impressive. His accomplishments is impressive when he carried CHI most of the year to the edge of the playoffs. He played without a stacked team or 100 point line mate brought MVP discussions.

Nonetheless, the rest of the league must be even slower if he can perform so well.
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I don't think that is what he is talking about, not speaking for him.

As a Blackhawks follower for 30 years plus team USA what Kane does is different than most. Kane slows the game down, he doesn't use his jets like Mackinnon or McDavid do. When Kane needs to hit a speed burst he can and will, but it isn't that often as he is much more cerebral and patient with the puck. He isn't insulting Kane at all, Kane plays the game slower than most can because he has the skill, talent, iq, whatever to do it. Hughes is going to use his speed to generate his offense like Mackinnon and McDavid do.

Kane and Hughes are similar in vision and hockey iq, but outside of that they play different styles.
 
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Patagonia said:
PKane is 30 years old and reached his scoring career high or 3rd overall is extremely impressive. His accomplishments is impressive when he carried CHI most of the year to the edge of the playoffs. He played without a stacked team or 100 point line mate brought MVP discussions.

Nonetheless, the rest of the league must be even slower if he can perform so well.
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I think he meant Kane slows the game down, he doesn't fly down the ice like McDavid/Guy Lafleur, he button-hooks and dipsy dangles.
 
^ What the others have said.

Kane and Hughes do not really play similar games. It seems like everyone wants to relate Hughes to Kane though just because of their size and both being American. However, they play the game quite different from each other. Yes they both have great hands and IQ/vision but so do other players. Also Kane was much more of a goal scorer at the same age as Hughes. As others have stated before, Jack Hughes plays more similar to Marner/Barzal than Kane.
 
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Peasy said:
^ What the others have said.

Kane and Hughes do not really play similar games. It seems like everyone wants to relate Hughes to Kane though just because of their size and both being American. However, they play the game quite different from each other. Yes they both have great hands and IQ/vision but so do other players. Also Kane was much more of a goal scorer at the same age as Hughes. As others have stated before, Jack Hughes plays more similar to Marner/Barzal than Kane.
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I disagree. I think your idea here of Hughes game is wrong. He creates most scoring chances through possession hockey instead of off the rush. He slows down the play a lot more than speeding it up. Hughes goal-scoring is also very underrated. He has a low SH% this season, which I think is skewing how his goal-scoring is looked at.

He doesn't play that much like Barzal. Barzal is two inches taller and about 25 pounds heavier. Barzal is speedier, and uses his speed more in his skating than Hughes does. When they use their skating to help possession, Barzal uses pure speed more often and Hughes uses edge work. Barzal has good edges and Hughes has good pure speed, but I think there's a difference in their main mode of operation with how they use their skating.

Marner isn't a bad comparison, but Hughes is more of a goal-scorer and a better skater.
 
If somebody is concerned about his release, recall Steven Stamkos playing in minors. Even if he scored a lot of goals there, it wasnt cuz of his deadly big boomer, it was mostly bcuz of his other abilities.

Hughes deficiences are improved easier than those flaws of many other players who lacks intelligent or skating overall. Even if he now had a shot that he culd screen a gk of his own shot (if we exaggerate a bit), that can be changed during summer if he wants to focus on that. He can still score goals in the NHL utilizing his other abilities, and Im not saying he didnt have a decent accuracy already. I culd see him being a good scorer especially on the man advantage when theres more room to get urself more convient position to try scoring.
 
Mysteric1000 said:
If somebody is concerned about his release, recall Steven Stamkos playing in minors. Even if he scored a lot of goals there, it wasnt cuz of his deadly big boomer, it was mostly bcuz of his other abilities.

Hughes deficiences are improved easier than those flaws of many other players who lacks intelligent or skating overall. Even if he now had a shot that he culd screen a gk of his own shot (if we exaggerate a bit), that can be changed during summer if he wants to focus on that. He can still score goals in the NHL utilizing his other abilities, and Im not saying he didnt have a decent accuracy already. I culd see him being a good scorer especially on the man advantage when theres more room to get urself more convient position to try scoring.
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A lot of people often try to predict what a prospects NHL career will ook like based on things he's good at when he's still a prospect. I agree with you, people gotta realize that these kids will get better. Hughes will get a better shot. Kakko will be faster etc. I remember McDavid getting shit because his shot wasn't very good. Now it is. Whoops.
 
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A lot of people often try to predict what a prospects NHL career will ook like based on things he's good at when he's still a prospect. I agree with you, people gotta realize that these kids will get better. Hughes will get a better shot. Kakko will be faster etc. I remember McDavid getting **** because his shot wasn't very good. Now it is. Whoops.
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Yeah, but Hughes shot is really terrible. Like his worst quality (even worse than his strength). Although if he improves his strength, his shot power will increase. His shot accuracy isn't that great either.

I'd still take him #1, but his offensive iq scares me. I feel like he doesn't know where to position himself at times and slow down. He does a lot of fly bys.
 
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Ofc theres always some limit in all abilities to "upgrade" them, cuz theres limited time during one career. Then theres also genetic side. One with short parents are most likely be short (if doesnt suffer from gigantism or some other disease) or another wont ever become so strong or fast cuz of genes, shape of body or quality and quantity of muscle cells etc.. crap. Everybody can still improve in every aspect if they have motivation.

Maybe Hughes doesnt even want to become a sharp and accurate shooter even if he wants to improve in that aspect. If his role is what it is now and he relies on more speed and be dangerous through that, let him be, but NHL teams wants ofc players become more and more all-around guys cuz they think about business and money + competition is fierce af.

I know Hughes is competitive and is ready to do what ever it takes to "cure" his flaws, but at the end of the day it shuld be not changing him too much as a player (on the sidetrack) cuz then he culd become a different role player than what he used to be if he focus too much only on flaws.
 
Castle8130 said:
Yeah, but Hughes shot is really terrible. Like his worst quality (even worse than his strength). Although if he improves his strength, his shot power will increase. His shot accuracy isn't that great either.

I'd still take him #1, but his offensive iq scares me. I feel like he doesn't know where to position himself at times and slow down. He does a lot of fly bys.
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Don't necessarily agree with the offensive IQ take, but the bolded is so true. The kid does the fly bys all the time, and tries to get out of situations where he could be hit. Doesn't seem like a player (ATM) who is suited for men's playoff hockey where you gotta go to those boardbattles first.
 
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FinnishSniper said:
Don't necessarily agree with the offensive IQ take, but the bolded is so true. The kid does the fly bys all the time, and tries to get out of situations where he could be hit. Doesn't seem like a player (ATM) who is suited for men's playoff hockey where you gotta go to those boardbattles first.
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Kane does the exact same thing....
 
Just watched Pavel Barber’s video on Hughes’ training. Didn’t actually realize that his shot was that bad. Has to be one of the worst I’ve seen from top prospects ever.

By the way before you attack me, just look and see for yourself.
 
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FinnishSniper said:
Just watched Pavel Barber’s video on Hughes’ training. Didn’t actually realize that his shot was that bad. Has to be one of the worst I’ve seen from top prospects ever.

By the way before you attack me, just look and see for yourself.
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I mean if thats the biggest worry then ok. Your shot is by far the easiest thing to strengthen as a player
 
FinnishSniper said:
Well I’ve never seen a center doing it. There is literally zero percent chance IMO that he plays center with that physicality and the effort on D.
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You serious? You've never seen a center do a fly by? What games are you watching. I've witness McDavid do it numerous times in a game...
 
FinnishSniper said:
Don't necessarily agree with the offensive IQ take, but the bolded is so true. The kid does the fly bys all the time, and tries to get out of situations where he could be hit. Doesn't seem like a player (ATM) who is suited for men's playoff hockey where you gotta go to those boardbattles first.
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I mean Laine is like 5 inches taller than him and does fly bys all the time. Kane does the same thing. For players their size you typically try to avoid being hit if possible especially against some of the gargantuan defensemen in the NHL. It's likely the difference between a long career and a short one.
 
Daximus said:
I mean Laine is like 5 inches taller than him and does fly bys all the time. Kane does the same thing. For players their size you typically try to avoid being hit if possible especially against some of the gargantuan defensemen in the NHL. It's likely the difference between a long career and a short one.
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Yes of course. The kid just isn’t suited as a center that’s all
 
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