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C Jack Hughes - USNTDP (2019 Draft) Part III

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Hughes is closer to Marner or Barzal than Kane in make-up and skill-set. Hughes doesn't have the shot or scoring instincts Kane has always possessed. I'd rate Matthews and Eichel ahead as far at the USNTDP kids, due to how well-rounded and how they projected to be franchise centers. I think Hughes is still slightly behind Tavares, Stamkos, Eichel, Matthews and MacKinnon level, but I can see the argument for him being there.

Gaudreau had a better season than Matthews, but Matthews has been the better player overall since he entered the league. The biggest knock on Matthews has been the inability to stay healthy. Now, the best ability is availability, but Barkov and Eichel had injury-plagued years early on too.

Kane's in a different ballpark right now, due to how great his career has been. He's entering the phase where it's hard to compare him to players who aren't established greats. He's a 1st ballot hall of famer, and making a case for the greatest American born player of all-time.
 
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ijuka said:
Well, there it is.

Indeed, the reason Matthews and Eichel would be better regarded as prospects is because they're centers, unlike everyone you listed.

Just think about it. A team gets to choose between Matthews and Hughes, or Eichel and Hughes. If they want a franchise C, would they seriously go with Hughes over either? I just don't see how one can make such an argument.
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Considering Hughes is a better skater than both and put up Matthews' record setting numbers half a year younger, yes theyd take Hughes over both
 
Hidden Hair of Hynes said:
Considering Hughes is a better skater than both and put up Matthews' record setting numbers half a year younger, yes theyd take Hughes over both
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Half a year older, you mean?

"Better skater", sheesh. You realize that there are exactly 0 Cs like Hughes in NHL, right? He's not even certain to be NHL ready.

Oh, right. And Hughes's numbers just break the all-time record for "total scoring", which was not held by Matthews. It was held by Clayton Freaking Keller. Shows you the worth of that record. The only reason it even is mentioned or talked about at all is because the media wants Hughes to break some "record" for hype. Matthews has the single season scoring record - the important record - which Hughes did not break.
 
Hidden Hair of Hynes said:
Considering Hughes is a better skater than both and put up Matthews' record setting numbers half a year younger, yes theyd take Hughes over both
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Huh? Matthews was younger during his time at the USNTDP (which is why his draft season took place in Switzerland), and still holds the single-season record, with him being a significantly better goal-scorer.

Hughes is a better skater, but Matthews is bigger, stronger, and a significantly better goalscorer. He's also not a significantly better skater than Eichel. He's more elusive, but Eichel is probably just as fast in a straight line and stronger on his skates.
 
ijuka said:
Half a year older, you mean?

"Better skater", sheesh. You realize that there are exactly 0 Cs like Hughes in NHL, right? He's not even certain to be NHL ready.

Oh, right. And Hughes's numbers just break the all-time record for "total scoring", which was not held by Matthews. It was held by Clayton Freaking Keller. Shows you the worth of that record. The only reason it even is mentioned or talked about at all is because the media wants Hughes to break some "record" for hype. Matthews has the single season scoring record - the important record - which Hughes did not break.
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Um no, Jack Hughes was 1 point under Matthews' record a half year younger. 116 v 117
 
Hidden Hair of Hynes said:
Um no, Jack Hughes was 1 point under Matthews' record a half year younger. 116 v 117
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By the way, it's ridiculous to consider the u17 team and u18 team scoring the same thing.

And yes, in 17-18 Hughes was impressive, the issue is this season. Draft is at the year it is, not the year before.
 
ijuka said:
By the way, it's ridiculous to consider the u17 team and u18 team scoring the same thing.

And yes, in 17-18 Hughes was impressive, the issue is this season. Draft is at the year it is, not the year before.
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Why has nobody ranked Kakko first then?

And dont list me off some garbage side-sites. Official scouting lists used by most mainstream media all have Hughes #1
 
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Rabid Ranger said:
He didn’t have an impressive season this year?
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Comparably there's next to no improvement in comparison to the last, a decline in point share and goal scoring, and additionally he even got outscored by Turcotte lately. Take Kaapo Kakko's current season for example. If he had scored almost the same amount of points in Liiga last season, would the current season be impressive or a disappointment? I'd be tilting towards disappointment, because it implies slowed down development and a lack of upwards trajectory, something very important to me. Jesse Puljujärvi is a player who experienced very little improvement from draft-1 to draft season, and we can see that he's not doing great in NHL. Aleksander Barkov could play in Liiga early, but he still experienced significant upwards trajectory, and is doing very well.

On the topic of Hughes, by the way, Kane's the comparable thrown around all the time. Isn't that pretty odd? We know about the shot, but even if we disregard that, they play the game completely differently. Kane slows the game down and is about the tiny little manouvres and biding his time, whereas Hughes is about moving at supersonic speeds. He does not slow the game down. As I've said before, this comparable is inaccurate and forced, most likely due to them both being small players from USNTDP. Barzal's quite a good one.
 
Actually, as this recent shift-by-shift video by prospectshifts Jack Hughes vs Des Moines | Mar 23 2019 has a great example, I'll show what I really dislike about Hughes's skating right now:


That sequence from 9:08 to 9:30 eventually ends with Hughes generating a scoring chance. So let's take a look at how it starts. Hughes is carrying the puck, gets his pocket picked. Takes a wiide circle around, way behind the play defensively. The play is then turned around again, with his team counterattacking. Hughes takes a wiiiiiide circle around his own zone, completely behind the play and nowhere near the attack. After showing up late, the play turns the other way around and Hughes takes another wiiiide circle around, way behind the play once again. And then when the play turns around and he's essentially at the opponent's blue line, he once again takes a wiiiiide turn, but this time he's behind the defense and they get a 3-1 rush and he generates a scoring chance.

This sort of play, I'm not a fan of at all. It's what I've described as "pond hockey". This doesn't work in NHL. Hopefully he can play different styles as well.
 
ijuka said:
Actually, as this recent shift-by-shift video by prospectshifts Jack Hughes vs Des Moines | Mar 23 2019 has a great example, I'll show what I really dislike about Hughes's skating right now:


That sequence from 9:08 to 9:30 eventually ends with Hughes generating a scoring chance. So let's take a look at how it starts. Hughes is carrying the puck, gets his pocket picked. Takes a wiide circle around, way behind the play defensively. The play is then turned around again, with his team counterattacking. Hughes takes a wiiiiiide circle around his own zone, completely behind the play and nowhere near the attack. After showing up late, the play turns the other way around and Hughes takes another wiiiide circle around, way behind the play once again. And then when the play turns around and he's essentially at the opponent's blue line, he once again takes a wiiiiide turn, but this time he's behind the defense and they get a 3-1 rush and he generates a scoring chance.

This sort of play, I'm not a fan of at all. It's what I've described as "pond hockey". This doesn't work in NHL. Hopefully he can play different styles as well.
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Thats Puljujärvi hockey there.
 
ijuka said:
Actually, as this recent shift-by-shift video by prospectshifts Jack Hughes vs Des Moines | Mar 23 2019 has a great example, I'll show what I really dislike about Hughes's skating right now:


That sequence from 9:08 to 9:30 eventually ends with Hughes generating a scoring chance. So let's take a look at how it starts. Hughes is carrying the puck, gets his pocket picked. Takes a wiide circle around, way behind the play defensively. The play is then turned around again, with his team counterattacking. Hughes takes a wiiiiiide circle around his own zone, completely behind the play and nowhere near the attack. After showing up late, the play turns the other way around and Hughes takes another wiiiide circle around, way behind the play once again. And then when the play turns around and he's essentially at the opponent's blue line, he once again takes a wiiiiide turn, but this time he's behind the defense and they get a 3-1 rush and he generates a scoring chance.

This sort of play, I'm not a fan of at all. It's what I've described as "pond hockey". This doesn't work in NHL. Hopefully he can play different styles as well.
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That sequence is basically every Evgeni Malkin shift and he's the 101st best player in NHL history.
 

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