C Jack Eichel - Boston University, NCAA (2015, 2nd, BUF) III

[Moskau]

What's your point? Most of the people promoting him are American. Is that also "pathetic"?

There are no people promoting him. That's the absurd thing. How many people are legitimately saying he will be better than McDavid? Like one Sabres troll that most Sabres fans have blocked. Everyone else is agreeing that there's something extra about McDavid but that Eichel is still great.

There is no Eichel promotion going on, what people are doing is defending Eichel against the people who act like he and McDavid play on completely different planets when they don't. There are quite a few people in this thread and the E vs M thread with Canadian flags that are acting like Eichel will struggle to put up 60 points in his prime and they actually mean it.

A lot of posters on this site actually see it as an attack on the country of Canada to say that Jack Eichel is a very good Hockey player and isn't going to be outscored by Connor McDavid by 30 points every season.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

What's your point? Most of the people promoting him are American. Is that also "pathetic"?

It is pathetic, given his skill level, that not many Canadians promote him. There are tons of Canadians on this site, yet somehow it's mostly Americans that are promoting an elite prospect?

If he was a good ol Canadian boy he'd certainly have a lot more fans and a lot less critics.

 

[Bjorn Le]

There are no people promoting him. That's the absurd thing. How many people are legitimately saying he will be better than McDavid? Like one Sabres troll that most Sabres fans have blocked. Everyone else is agreeing that there's something extra about McDavid but that Eichel is still great.

There is no Eichel promotion going on, what people are doing is defending Eichel against the people who act like he and McDavid play on completely different planets when they don't. There are quite a few people in this thread and the E vs M thread with Canadian flags that are acting like Eichel will struggle to put up 60 points in his prime and they actually mean it.

A lot of posters on this site actually see it as an attack on the country of Canada to say that Jack Eichel is a very good Hockey player and isn't going to be outscored by Connor McDavid by 30 points every season.

Let's call a spade a spade. There are absolutely people promoting Eichel. You can manipulate words all you like, doesn't change that.

And how about all the Eichel promoters who think it's an affront to the United States if they suggest that Eichel and McDavid aren't really close, or that Eichel doesn't play against much better competition, and things like that. It's getting sickening, absurd, and just plain stupid that people have been running around and saying "all these Canadians just hate Eichel because he's not Canadian." How about all the American posters who assume that 1) All Canadians think Eichel isn't very good 2) All posters who don't like Eichel as much as someone who really likes him must hate Eichel, love McDavid, and automatically be Canadian.

For ****s sakes, just reply to arguments stop trying to make this USA versus Canada. When a poster posted an unsubstantiated rumour that Eichel was struggling at university and had a reputation for being an idiot, that poster was attacked for posting an baseless rumour. When a poster posts a rumour saying that people who are around Eichel at BU say that Chiarelli is going to pick Eichel first overall, no one says anything. Let's cut out all the bias how about?

 

[Beerz]

Let's call a spade a spade. There are absolutely people promoting Eichel. You can manipulate words all you like, doesn't change that.

And how about all the Eichel promoters who think it's an affront to the United States if they suggest that Eichel and McDavid aren't really close, or that Eichel doesn't play against much better competition, and things like that. It's getting sickening, absurd, and just plain stupid that people have been running around and saying "all these Canadians just hate Eichel because he's not Canadian." How about all the American posters who assume that 1) All Canadians think Eichel isn't very good 2) All posters who don't like Eichel as much as someone who really likes him must hate Eichel, love McDavid, and automatically be Canadian.

For ****s sakes, just reply to arguments stop trying to make this USA versus Canada. When a poster posted an unsubstantiated rumour that Eichel was struggling at university and had a reputation for being an idiot, that poster was attacked for posting an baseless rumour. When a poster posts a rumour saying that people who are around Eichel at BU say that Chiarelli is going to pick Eichel first overall, no one says anything. Let's cut out all the bias how about?

lol... everbody laughed at the poster that suggested Chia was going to take Eichel 1st.

 

[Bjorn Le]

lol... everbody laughed at the poster that suggested Chia was going to take Eichel 1st.

I could count the number of replies about it on one hand. When the rumour that Eichel's reputation at BU was he is an idiot there were dozens of replies, enough that there had to be a mod warning people not to post the rumour anymore because it was derailing the thread.

There are far more people who would have agreed with the Chia Eichel rumour that have said things very similar to that in the past. I guarantee there are even people who were upset at that rumour because if real it would mean the player they think is better wouldn't go to their team.

 

[Beerz]

I could count the number of replies about it on one hand. When the rumour that Eichel's reputation at BU was he is an idiot there were dozens of replies, enough that there had to be a mod warning people not to post the rumour anymore because it was derailing the thread.

There are far more people who would have agreed with the Chia Eichel rumour that have said things very similar to that in the past. I guarantee there are even people who were upset at that rumour because if real it would mean the player they think is better wouldn't go to their team.

You're making me chuckle.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I could count the number of replies about it on one hand. When the rumour that Eichel's reputation at BU was he is an idiot there were dozens of replies, enough that there had to be a mod warning people not to post the rumour anymore because it was derailing the thread.

There are far more people who would have agreed with the Chia Eichel rumour that have said things very similar to that in the past.

Maybe because one post was a baseless personal attack and the other was just a stupid rumor about a player's draft position?

 

[Aceboogie]

It is pathetic, given his skill level, that not many Canadians promote him. There are tons of Canadians on this site, yet somehow it's mostly Americans that are promoting an elite prospect?

If he was a good ol Canadian boy he'd certainly have a lot more fans and a lot less critics.

Sorry, dont buy it. Can buy the anti-russian stuff. But have seen essentially no instances where american prospects were underrated for being from USA

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

It is pathetic, given his skill level, that not many Canadians promote him. There are tons of Canadians on this site, yet somehow it's mostly Americans that are promoting an elite prospect?

If he was a good ol Canadian boy he'd certainly have a lot more fans and a lot less critics.

If he were a "good ol Canadian boy" he would have spent the last few years in Canada, having his games televised up here, and receiving local and national media coverage.

By your line of reasoning, you must think it's pathetic that there are so many Americans on the site promoting Eichel rather than McDavid.

If anything, Eichel has received the coverage he has because of Canada and Canadians. The NHL draft is covered much more closely here in the US.

 

[HockeyRobinson]

He is being promoted as a crazy talented prospect. Just not as THE BEST prospect in the draft. There shouldn't be any nationalism at play here. McDavid is the consensus #1 player. Eichel is #2. Doesn't ensure that either will be the best player from the draft next year, in 5 years or in 15 years (although it seems very likely)

Could Eichel turn out to be the better of the two? Absolutely. But as of today, the scouts (who are far better equipped to make these calls) say that McDavid is the better prospect. Not because he's Canadian and not because Eichel is American.

 

[UnrefinedCrude]

...if that's totally just correlation.

On the other hand,

Jack Eichel is an American, most people from other countries think he is a good prospect, but most Canadians think he sucks

This is far from true.

You are extrapolating from a small, but vocal minority posting on the internet... the internet of all places.


I for instance am Canadian, I think Eichel is the real deal. I think he is behind McDavid, but I acknowledge I haven't seen enough to determine how much. I suspect he is closer to McD than anyone else. I don't think the gap is huge.

 

[tripleX]

He is being promoted as a crazy talented prospect. Just not as THE BEST prospect in the draft. There shouldn't be any nationalism at play here. McDavid is the consensus #1 player. Eichel is #2. Doesn't ensure that either will be the best player from the draft next year, in 5 years or in 15 years (although it seems very likely)

Could Eichel turn out to be the better of the two? Absolutely. But as of today, the scouts (who are far better equipped to make these calls) say that McDavid is the better prospect. Not because he's Canadian and not because Eichel is American.

McDavid being better than Eichel currently isn't an issue at all, many Eichel fans also state that repeatedly.

The problem here is that, every time someone suggest the gap between the two is not as big as some thought, there are people get offended. And these people usually have a certain national flag in their profile and start to use every chance to bash Eichel.

 

[Beerz]

I think the best example I can give is... I posted both Eichels and McDavids measurements when they came out at the combine with no commentary whatsoever ... The first response was "Welp..that settles it. Eichel is king and McDavid sucks".

The issue is when Eichels accomplishments are downplayed because some think people talking about Eichels accomplishments means they think he's the better prospect... If it wasnt so hilarious it would be sad.

 

[CaseyMitts37]

Why are Oilers fans even posting in a Jack Eichel thread?

 

[Paxon]

Why are Oilers fans even posting in a Jack Eichel thread?

Why not?

 

[CaseyMitts37]

Why not?

Because most of them just come in here to trash Eichel

 

[Aceboogie]

Why are Oilers fans even posting in a Jack Eichel thread?

Ya man sorry. Can you please post that list again of which fan bases can post on certain threads ont he mainboard

get a grip

 

[Aceboogie]

Because most of them just come in here to trash Eichel

Post some hate, because everything recently is praise

 

[CaseyMitts37]

Sorry, I thought Semantics was an Oilers fan, looks like he is a Leafs fan

Oilers fans you can stay, please forgive me

 

[AD1066]

I could count the number of replies about it on one hand. When the rumour that Eichel's reputation at BU was he is an idiot there were dozens of replies, enough that there had to be a mod warning people not to post the rumour anymore because it was derailing the thread.

Which is understandable given the false equivalency you just put forth.

A poster with a track record of disparaging a teenage kid posts an unfounded personal rumor to further his agenda, and unsurprisingly elicits some angry responses.

The other rumor isn't personal in nature, nor had any undertones, and most people rightfully ignored it. And you wanted more people to get worked up over it?

 

[DraberlyakMcHallkins*]

Could've had a few more points based on teammates failing to execute.

Although the whole team was kind of disjointed and seemed to defer to him with the puck, which led to him trying to do to much on his own.

Regardless he played just fine and passed the eye test. Speed, hands, vision were all on display for those watching. And I doubt Sabres fans are getting too hung up on that stat line, as it's irrelevant at this point.

You seem pretty committed to downplaying him, McDavid not good enough for you guys or something?

I think the "teammates didn't finish a couple chances" can be used for anybody

I think my problem is I go to one extreme after seeing a large, large number of sabres fans going to the other extreme up playing Eichel. Stuff I read like "After his WHC and this combine, Edmonton really has to be thinking", "don't even think about it Edmonton!", or "I'll be disappointed if Edmonton takes Eichel, and we'll have to take McD"

I didn't think the WHC mattered when Gaudreau lit it up last season, and I don't think it matters now. I don't consider the WJC to be part of the Eichel McD separation.

Eichel will be great, but come on. Be reasonable

 

[Aceboogie]

Sorry, I thought Semantics was an Oilers fan, looks like he is a Leafs fan

Oilers fans you can stay, please forgive me

All good

I think youll find 98% of Oiler fans agree Eichel is very close to Mcdavid and one of the best prospects in the past 15 years (Crosby, Malkin, Ovy, Mcdavid, Tavares etc level)

I think the debates of McDavid vs Eichel will be alot more civil then Ovy vs Crosby

 

[Sam Spade]

All good

I think youll find 98% of Oiler fans agree Eichel is very close to Mcdavid and one of the best prospects in the past 15 years (Crosby, Malkin, Ovy, Mcdavid, Tavares etc level)

I think the debates of McDavid vs Eichel will be alot more civil then Ovy vs Crosby

And no they will not be more civil.

 

[AD1066]

I think the "teammates didn't finish a couple chances" can be used for anybody

Yes but it's most applicable to the guy who was the main catalyst on offense, creating the greatest number of chances. He could've been better though and also tried to do too much on his own. Some perceive it as being selfish, others attribute it to his teammates being too deferential and always passing him the puck when there may have been better options. Still remains to be seen but he seemed to use the guys around him pretty well in the college games I was able to watch.

Bottom line is I don't think the WJC helped or hurt his draft stock. The order is set in stone at this point, and both teams should be happy with the player they're getting. I'm sure excited to watch them both.

I think my problem is I go to one extreme after seeing a large, large number of sabres fans going to the other extreme up playing Eichel. Stuff I read like "After his WHC and this combine, Edmonton really has to be thinking", "don't even think about it Edmonton!", or "I'll be disappointed if Edmonton takes Eichel, and we'll have to take McD"

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I haven't seen much of this, and truth be told I think a small minority among even Sabres fans think Eichel is the better player. I don't personally, but I'll defend him when it's clear someone's only goal is to knock him down. And more often than not it's the same few people.

Besides, both teams going to be the envy of the league in a few years, maybe you guys can all bond over that?

 

[Psychoil]

Sorry, I thought Semantics was an Oilers fan, looks like he is a Leafs fan

Oilers fans you can stay, please forgive me

lol, wolf in sheeps clothing. Anyway, I'm an oilers fan and I'm gushing over mcdavid and Eichel. The guy is a physical beast, it's hard to deny his skill....he is going to be a unreal hockey player.

Both Edmonton and Buffalo should be extremely happy for McEichel. I just wish you guys were in the west so we could see more of Eichel as well.