C Jack Eichel - Boston University, NCAA (2015, 2nd, BUF) III

[ozzie]

While Mcdavid is the consensus 1st pick, people can argue about the gap between him and Eichel till the sun goes down.

If your an NHL GM and your pretty high on Eichel, maybe you think his game will translate better to the NHL, or maybe you like his physical package overall.

If the gap is that small, as some believe.

If you win 1st overall, how much is it worth dropping to 2nd overall. What could you get from that team to make it worth it?

Example if Phoenix finished first and traded the pick to Buffalo for the 2nd.
Could you pry Reinhart, Ristolainen, Zadorov? or insert favourite Buffalo prospects.

If your Phoenix you drop down and Get Eichel via draft, Reinhart and maybe Ristolainen?

The Lindros trade worked out well for Quebec/Colorado.

 

[Claypool]

I like Eichel better in today's NHL. This isn't 2005-06 anymore. Eichel is going to be a physical beast in a few years. His power forward style of play will be very effective in the NHL, I think.

 

[ARoggy94]

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/29/sabres-gm-tim-murray-i-think-too-much-about-mcdavid/

Eichel + Reinhart is not a stretch, at all

 

[ozzie]

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/29/sabres-gm-tim-murray-i-think-too-much-about-mcdavid/

Eichel + Reinhart is not a stretch, at all

Well if Buffalo really wants McDavid and if they have second pick, you might be able to rob them blind, exploit them and get a huge return.

At the end of the day, what is the gap between the two? what is it worth to your hockey club?

I don't think it sounds so unreasonable, especially if your torn between the two.

 

[FLYguy3911]

If you think that wouldn't be the price (if not more) you are nuts. Now if Buffalo would or should do it? That's another question.

 

[Plub]

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/29/sabres-gm-tim-murray-i-think-too-much-about-mcdavid/

Eichel + Reinhart is not a stretch, at all

What is this suppose to show us? There is no mention of trading Eichel and Reinhart for McDavid. If the Coyotes get the number one pick and Buffalo wants to trade Reinhart and Eichel, I'd say yes and send the papers before the phone gets hung up. That would be a steal.

 

[Einzakin]

What is this suppose to show us? There is no mention of trading Eichel and Reinhart for McDavid. If the Coyotes get the number one pick and Buffalo wants to trade Reinhart and Eichel, I'd say yes and send the papers before the phone gets hung up. That would be a steal.

In no world does a team trade McDavid for Eichel and Reinhart.

Eichiel will be amazing, but Mcdavid is setting up to be one of the best players ever. He is just so dominant in the O and there is little doubt he will be dominant in the NHL. He has beaten many of the recent greats scoring records and easily surpassed them in draft year points.

Reinhart has not been that good this year. He is not even close to make up for the possible difference between Eichel and Mcdavid. No team trades McDavid unless it is an obvious steal. This is why he will not be traded.

 

[Plub]

In no world does a team trade McDavid for Eichel and Reinhart.

Eichiel will be amazing, but Mcdavid is setting up to be one of the best players ever. He is just so dominant in the O and there is little doubt he will be dominant in the NHL. He has beaten many of the recent greats scoring records and easily surpassed them in draft year points.

Reinhart has not been that good this year. He is not even close to make up for the possible difference between Eichel and Mcdavid. No team trades McDavid unless it is an obvious steal. This is why he will not be traded.

I love how you speak in absolutes, as if, you actually know these things.

There is nothing that leads me to think McDavid will be one of the best players ever, that's absurd. Let's wait until he gets into the NHL to make that claim. He MIGHT be as good as Malkin and Crosby, but even that isn't likely. Eichel has been equally dominant in the NCAA against older players in a league where it is more difficult to score. Does he not get the same recognition you give McDavid? Why is that?

I would make that trade all day. The difference between Eichel and McDavid is minuscule, regardless of what his die hard fanboys believe. He's the best player in this draft, but not by that much.

I wonder how many Buffalo fans would trade Eichel, Reinhard, and a + for McDavid. Probably none.

 

[Hfbsux]

In no world does a team trade McDavid for Eichel and Reinhart.

Eichiel will be amazing, but Mcdavid is setting up to be one of the best players ever. He is just so dominant in the O and there is little doubt he will be dominant in the NHL. He has beaten many of the recent greats scoring records and easily surpassed them in draft year points.

Reinhart has not been that good this year. He is not even close to make up for the possible difference between Eichel and Mcdavid. No team trades McDavid unless it is an obvious steal. This is why he will not be traded.

I disagree. Reinhart makes for the difference between Eichel and McDavid and more. I would do that trade no question asked. Just my opinion.

 

[AD1066]

Reinhart has not been that good this year. He is not even close to make up for the possible difference between Eichel and Mcdavid. No team trades McDavid unless it is an obvious steal. This is why he will not be traded.

We've seen with Crosby that one player can't do it alone. Having Eichel and Reinhart up the middle might prove more valuable to a franchise than the extra 10 points or whatever McDavid might score per year.

 

[Apotheosis]

Take this from a Leafs fan who so direly wants us to win the lottery for McDavid.

Eichel and Reinhart is an overpayment. Having Eichel and Reinhart down the middle is infinitely better for a team that actually wants to win, compared to having a lesser secondary centre to pair with McDavid. That's why Buffalo basically wins this season. I don't think they will win the lottery. I personally think based on historical facts (of who has won) and just my own intuition, that the Leafs or Coyotes will win the lottery, but that doesn't matter for other teams, specifically Buffalo. What Eichel is doing is equally as impressive, given he's playing against grown men, not his own aged peers. Eichel to Buffalo is a guarantee and you can bet your arse that having Eichel and Reinhart and all their other guys developing will have them contending faster than you think.

 

[BloFan4Life]

Take this from a Leafs fan who so direly wants us to win the lottery for McDavid.

Eichel and Reinhart is an overpayment. Having Eichel and Reinhart down the middle is infinitely better for a team that actually wants to win, compared to having a lesser secondary centre to pair with McDavid. That's why Buffalo basically wins this season. I don't think they will win the lottery. I personally think based on historical facts (of who has won) and just my own intuition, that the Leafs or Coyotes will win the lottery, but that doesn't matter for other teams, specifically Buffalo. What Eichel is doing is equally as impressive, given he's playing against grown men, not his own aged peers. Eichel to Buffalo is a guarantee and you can bet your arse that having Eichel and Reinhart and all their other guys developing will have them contending faster than you think.

When was the last time a team with a roughly 9% chance of winning the lottery has won it in the NHL?

 

[Apotheosis]

When was the last time a team with a roughly 9% chance of winning the lottery has won it in the NHL?

Didn't Chicago draft Kane from 5th last? I meant historically that the second last place team has won it, usually. Well, in recent memory. It's not a blight on Buffalo, since I know you may have gotten offended that I don't think you'll win the lottery. Just stack the collective percentages of the teams below Buffalo and you'll see what I mean.

It's about what, a 54 percent chance that a team in the bottom 5 wins?

Buffalo makes up 20 percent of that.

Arizona (13.5), Edmonton (11 IIRC), Toronto (9.5 which is about 10) and Carolina (8.5).

That's about a 43 percent chance that the 4 teams below Buffalo win the lottery, which is over double the chance of Buffalo winning the lottery.

Regardless, you're guaranteed Eichel, so this doesn't matter much.

EDIT: Bad math. It's over a 60 percent chance that a team in the bottom 5 wins and over 40 percent of that is made up by the teams below Buffalo.

 

[Einzakin]

We've seen with Crosby that one player can't do it alone. Having Eichel and Reinhart up the middle might prove more valuable to a franchise than the extra 10 points or whatever McDavid might score per year.

Maybe. I think McDavid is elite and in no world do I trade Crosby for those 2 if its draft year. Ofcourse this is just our opinions but McDavid is a big step ahead of Eichel IMO.

Reinhart has regressed as well. I have followed him because I'm a Leaf fan and I enjoy seeing how Valiev does on Kootenay. He hasn't been as big of an impact as you would hope he could considering how highly praised he was. He didn't look good in the NHL earlier on in the year, and yes I do realize its Buffalo.

It would take Eichel + 2 elite prospects for a team to even consider making the trade. It may be worth it or an overpayment, but no team will trade McDavid unless its a big overpayment. Its just too big of a risk and if he ends up being the next Gretzky, that GM will regret it big time. Can't see that mistake happening.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Eichel and Reinhart >>> McDavid

Reinhart has regressed ? That's ****ing laughable.

Buffalo has two franchise #1 centers for the next 15 years. Oh and we got Girgensons too.

 

[Apotheosis]

Eichel and Reinhart >>> McDavid

Reinhart has regressed ? That's ****ing laughable.

Buffalo has two franchise #1 centers for the next 15 years. Oh and we got Girgensons too.

I wish I could like this post 100 times over. Even being Canadian, I wouldn't be stupid enough to turn down Eichel and Reinhart. Superior depth and very comparable talent (don't listen to people who say the gap is huge; because it isn't) > Slightly superior talent (and that's maybe what, 10 points a year more per player?)

 

[Einzakin]

Eichel and Reinhart >>> McDavid

Reinhart has regressed ? That's ****ing laughable.

Buffalo has two franchise #1 centers for the next 15 years. Oh and we got Girgensons too.

Have you watched or followed Reinhart this year? What does Girgensons have to do with the arguement? Its clear you're a blind fan or you wouldn't be laughing, you'd make a case for your side.

 

[Plub]

Maybe. I think McDavid is elite and in no world do I trade Crosby for those 2 if its draft year. Ofcourse this is just our opinions but McDavid is a big step ahead of Eichel IMO.

Reinhart has regressed as well. I have followed him because I'm a Leaf fan and I enjoy seeing how Valiev does on Kootenay. He hasn't been as big of an impact as you would hope he could considering how highly praised he was. He didn't look good in the NHL earlier on in the year, and yes I do realize its Buffalo.

It would take Eichel + 2 elite prospects for a team to even consider making the trade. It may be worth it or an overpayment, but no team will trade McDavid unless its a big overpayment. Its just too big of a risk and if he ends up being the next Gretzky, that GM will regret it big time. Can't see that mistake happening.

This really isn't a debate anymore, just one person's delusional opinion. You just said McDavid might be the next Gretzky. Seriously, I can't take what you are saying serious anymore.

No one has agreed with you. Seems pretty unanimous that it would not cost as much as you like to think and if anyone was offered what you are offering, they would take it and run.

Complete nonsense.

 

[Einzakin]

This really isn't a debate anymore, just one person's delusional opinion. You just said McDavid might be the next Gretzky. Seriously, I can't take what you are saying serious anymore.

No one has agreed with you. Seems pretty unanimous that it would not cost as much as you like to think and if anyone was offered what you are offering, they would take it and run.

Complete nonsense.

Well its definitely a debate, I haven't really heard anyone give facts to disagree with me, and I'm sure there are people who agree with me.

And that's fine if you don't take me seriously. After all these are just our opinions and we don't know what the GMs think. I happen to think McDavid is untradable.

As for the Gretzky thing; I said if he ends up being the next great one - which is possible - no GM wants the thought of having traded that away.

I'm sorry for upsetting you though

 

[TheyTuukkaMyCup]

Anyone know if I can catch the BU game today? I really wanna see this kid play outside of the world juniors.

 

[wshahbaz]

Buffalo isn't trading up to 1st. You can stop talking about it now...

 

[Apotheosis]

Well its definitely a debate, I haven't really heard anyone give facts to disagree with me, and I'm sure there are people who agree with me.

And that's fine if you don't take me seriously. After all these are just our opinions and we don't know what the GMs think. I happen to think McDavid is untradable.

As for the Gretzky thing; I said if he ends up being the next great one - which is possible - no GM wants the thought of having traded that away.

I'm sorry for upsetting you though

It's not a debate at all.

Eichel was playing against grown men in the NCAA while McDavid was playing against his similarly aged peers. The gap isn't huge. Eichel is doing something never done in the NCAA and McDavid the same. People seem to trivialize it because one is Canadian and the other is American. Eichel and Reinhart is an insane overpayment, even for McDavid.

With Eichel and Reinhart, your 2 top centre spots are solidified for years, and only having McDavid just gives you a number 1 centre. Obviously preference comes into play, but trust me when I say, you'll be hard pressed to find a Buffalo fan mad at draft day if they likely don't win the lottery. Eichel isn't some consolation prize. He'd have gone number one in every draft in the last 7 years bare minimum.

 

[Einzakin]

K agree to disagree. Eichels a great consolation prize.

Some of the most amazing stats are comparing him when he's on and off the ice. Its just ridiculous the impact he has on that team.

I see him as an Mikko Koivu type player with more skill and finish. I thought that at the beginning and I'm sticking with it. I consider Koivu one of the most underrated players in the league. Eichel is that big body hard checking centre with great offensive instinct. He will be an impact player for years to come.

 

[ProspectsSTC]

K agree to disagree. Eichels a great consolation prize.

Some of the most amazing stats are comparing him when he's on and off the ice. Its just ridiculous the impact he has on that team.

I see him as an Mikko Koivu type player with more skill and finish. I thought that at the beginning and I'm sticking with it. I consider Koivu one of the most underrated players in the league. Eichel is that big body hard checking centre with great offensive instinct. He will be an impact player for years to come.

I can get that comparison, but I don't see Eichel having more finnish than Koivu

 

[Einzakin]

I can get that comparison, but I don't see Eichel having more finnish than Koivu

haha nicccce, can't believe I missed that one.