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I think you guys need to be realistic about Eichel. Lets just peg the guy at a #1 scoring/playmaking center in the Getzlaf mould.

Trying to 'force' him to be a 90% Mc David is not healthy for the guy right now. Sure he can get there but lets not penalize the guy because he has the never ending bad luck of being drafted and compared to Mc David most of his junior career.

Setting the bar at almost matching Mc David step for step or bust is not healthy for him. He played fine. Reinhart is a year older and has 9 NHL games under his belt. He schooled him but Eichel wont make the same mistake again.
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I 100% agree with this, which is why people comparing Connor to Jack upsets me. They are two completely different players and the only reasons there is comparisons is because of their draft placement.

Connor is the type of player who brings people out of their seats every shift, just electrifying.

Jack does all the little things at a very high level, but doesn't have the same wow factor that Connor has.

Comparing them is like comparing an Olympic sprinter and an Olympic distance runner. They have completely different styles, but they excel at what they do best.
 
Signed said:
There is no doubt Eichel will be better than Reinhart -and that is not a small statement.

However, its far better to dump the expectations onto ROR and keep Eichel well protected . Expectations for him being Getzlaf is a pretty darn high threshold and he doesnt need any more pressure to keep up with Mc David.

Who know? Maybe he will. Lets not demand it or even mention it.
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Agree.

At the end of the day, the term "Generational Talent" is thrown around way too much. It's not every poster - just the day "Dreamers". But they like to tag EVERY player they like with it. Then is snowballs.

If you are going to label a kid a Generational Talent, you better realize they have to live up to that from Day 1 or the backlash will be HUGE.
 
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Johnny McBravo said:
I 100% agree with this, which is why people comparing Connor to Jack upsets me. They are two completely different players and the only reasons there is comparisons is because of their draft placement.

Connor is the type of player who brings people out of their seats every shift, just electrifying.

Jack does all the little things at a very high level, but doesn't have the same wow factor that Connor has.

Comparing them is like comparing an Olympic sprinter and an Olympic distance runner. They have completely different styles, but they excel at what they do best.
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Wrong. I trust NHL scouts who said there were two franchise changing players in this draft over Canadiens who for various reasons want to discount Jack Eichel. We'll see soon enough when we are not playing pattycake in summer scrimmages and they are battling with real NHL players.
 
Johnny McBravo said:
I 100% agree with this, which is why people comparing Connor to Jack upsets me. They are two completely different players and the only reasons there is comparisons is because of their draft placement.

Connor is the type of player who brings people out of their seats every shift, just electrifying.

Jack does all the little things at a very high level, but doesn't have the same wow factor that Connor has.

Comparing them is like comparing an Olympic sprinter and an Olympic distance runner. They have completely different styles, but they excel at what they do best.
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They are different players, but make no mistake, the comparison isn't solely a result of their draft position.

What Eichel did in the NCAA this year is what caused some people to label him as 'generational'. It has nothing to do with McDavid lol. But today, the term generational doesn't make that much sense. Talent is just too evenly distributed. There are just too many great players.

If you think about it, a hockey generation is about 10-15 years (the average amount of 'prime' years in a players career). In that regard, you could say Orr, Gretzky, and Lemieux are the only true generational players since expansion. Then you could make a case for Crosby, Jagr, and maybe one of Ovechkin and Malkin.

It's going to become increasingly difficult for top talent to differentiate themselves from others. Over the next 10-15 years, Eichel has demonstrated the potential to be consistently rated as top 1-3 player in the world, as has McDavid. That talent level is about as 'generational' as we are going to see moving forward IMO.

This evaluation has nothing to do with his draft year, but everything to do with the production he displayed, especially compared to the best scoring NCAA alums now in the NHL (Toews, Kessel, Vanek, Parise, etc).
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
They are different players, but make no mistake, the comparison isn't solely a result of their draft position.

What Eichel did in the NCAA this year is what caused some people to label him as 'generational'. It has nothing to do with McDavid lol. But today, the term generational doesn't make that much sense. Talent is just too evenly distributed. There are just too many great players.

If you think about it, a hockey generation is about 10-15 years (the average amount of 'prime' years in a players career). In that regard, you could say Orr, Gretzky, and Lemieux are the only true generational players since expansion. Then you could make a case for Crosby, Jagr, and maybe one of Ovechkin and Malkin.

It's going to become increasingly difficult for top talent to differentiate themselves from others. Over the next 10-15 years, Eichel has demonstrated the potential to be consistently rated as top 1-3 player in the world, as has McDavid. That talent level is about as 'generational' as we are going to see moving forward IMO.

This evaluation has nothing to do with his draft year, but everything to do with the production he displayed, especially compared to the best scoring NCAA alums now in the NHL (Toews, Kessel, Vanek, Parise, etc).
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That's fair but Eichel has been called a Generational Talent long before he played in the NCAA.

The truth is, U.S. Hockey (and its fans) want/need/are praying for a "Generational Talent" - Kane and Kessel aren't cutting it because both need supporting players to be great. So does the NHL!!!

Like I said above, a few posters (not you, WYTD) like to define EVERY American high quality prospect as Generational Talent. First it was Seth Jones, then it was Eichel, then it was Hanifin and now its Matthews. How many Generation Talents can there be? It makes me wonder if certain posters have a clue what Generation Talent means.

Then when, as a poster I respect said yesterday, "a 19 year old CHLer outdueled a generational talent who has for the entire year battled 23 and 24 NCAA MEN" (he was being sarcastic), you are going to get a backlash.

Again, if certain posters would tone it down, you wouldn't see these kind of posts. I've been saying this for years but it never comes to pass.
 
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OttawaRoughRiderFan said:
That's fair but Eichel has been called a Generational Talent long before he played in the NCAA.

The truth is, U.S. Hockey fans want/need/are praying for a generational talents - Kane and Kessel aren't cutting it because both need supporting players to be great. So does the NHL. Sp, like I said above, a few posters (not you, WYTD) like to define EVERY American high quality prospect as Generational Talent. First it was Seth Jones, then it was Eichel, then it was Hanifen and now its Matthews. How many Generation Talents can there be? It makes me wonder if certain posters have a clue what it mean.

Then when, as a poster I respect said yesterday, "a 19 year old CHLer outdueled a generational talent who has for the entire year battled 23 and 24 NCAA MEN", you are going to get a backlash.

Again, if certain posters would tone it down, you wouldn't see these kind of posts.
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Let's not read too much into the a development camp scrimmage. I don't think Buffalo fans are expecting a "generational talent". That can be something Edmonton fans can worry about, if they want to.

We are fine with a franchise changing center prospect that gives us a chance to win a Cup if we surround him with the right talent.
 
TalkingProuder said:
Let's not read too much into the a development camp scrimmage. I don't think Buffalo fans are expecting a "generational talent". That can be something Edmonton fans can worry about, if they want to.

We are fine with a franchise changing center prospect that gives us a chance to win a Cup if we surround him with the right talent.
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Well said.

Eichel may be a Generational Talent. He may be better than McDavid - the expectations in Edmonton may crush McD. It just too much to ask of Eichel at this point. It's too much to ask of McDavid - and that's coming from a Canadian.

Be fair to the kids and let them play/develop/ without overwhelming them.
 
In my eyes they were both Generational Prospects ... The draft is over ... reality sets in. How they play will determine their label.

They both have a lot of work to do.
 
Beerz said:
In my eyes they were both Generational Prospects ... The draft is over ... reality sets in. How they play will determine their label.

They both have a lot of work to do.
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^^^ This. ^^^
 
Just kind of hammers home the point that hockey is a team game, not individuals. I remember some people saying, "how can mcdavid be dominate in the NHL if he can't dominate the OHL Generals, a team of 20 year olds?"
Then the "select" few would say since eichel is physically stronger, and plays older people he'll be more successful in the NHL. In theory, he should of dominated this camp but he didn't.

But that is OKAY! Yes, they are two different stages at different points in the season (playoffs vs camp). Regardless of the points or performance of either at camp, they are both great players after looking at the full body of work of the players through the whole season. Hockey is a team game, and success of the player depends on it. Let's just enjoy these great players for the next 15-20 years!
 
Eichel is an elite talent for this age.

McDavid is generational talent for his age.

Only time will tell but the comparisons should really start and end with the 2015 draft class, the gap in their play is quite significant. I honestly don't expect Eichel will ever be any better than Tavares/Kane/Stamkos/Seguin/Giroux, and he shouldn't have the "generational" label put on his given that there are 5-7 players in the NHL right now I have a hard time seeing him surpassing.

McDavid on the other hand, has more potential than any player in the NHL right now baring Crosby and that is even debatable.

I hate to see this thread become one big debate over the two players but there are a lot of people who have been expecting something close to McDavid and he just isn't that.
 
McDavid is already going to have a better career then Eichel

I thought it was common knowledge that players' performances in their development camp scrimmages determine the outcome of their careers
 
Plastic Joseph said:
Eichel is an elite talent for this age.

McDavid is generational talent for his age.

Only time will tell but the comparisons should really start and end with the 2015 draft class, the gap in their play is quite significant. I honestly don't expect Eichel will ever be any better than Tavares/Kane/Stamkos/Seguin/Giroux, and he shouldn't have the "generational" label put on his given that there are 5-7 players in the NHL right now I have a hard time seeing him surpassing.

McDavid on the other hand, has more potential than any player in the NHL right now baring Crosby and that is even debatable.

I hate to see this thread become one big debate over the two players but there are a lot of people who have been expecting something close to McDavid and he just isn't that.
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Completely disagree
 
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Plastic Joseph said:
Eichel is an elite talent for this age.

McDavid is generational talent for his age.

Only time will tell but the comparisons should really start and end with the 2015 draft class, the gap in their play is quite significant. I honestly don't expect Eichel will ever be any better than Tavares/Kane/Stamkos/Seguin/Giroux, and he shouldn't have the "generational" label put on his given that there are 5-7 players in the NHL right now I have a hard time seeing him surpassing.

McDavid on the other hand, has more potential than any player in the NHL right now baring Crosby and that is even debatable.

I hate to see this thread become one big debate over the two players but there are a lot of people who have been expecting something close to McDavid and he just isn't that.
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Maybe you're right, but this line of thinking is pretty new. During the draft Bobbie Mac said Eichel would have gone first over Tavares and Stamkos, and in any other draft since Crosby. What's changed in the last 3 weeks where this potential doesn't exist anymore?
 
OttawaRoughRiderFan said:
That's fair but Eichel has been called a Generational Talent long before he played in the NCAA.

The truth is, U.S. Hockey (and its fans) want/need/are praying for a "Generational Talent" - Kane and Kessel aren't cutting it because both need supporting players to be great. So does the NHL!!!

Like I said above, a few posters (not you, WYTD) like to define EVERY American high quality prospect as Generational Talent. First it was Seth Jones, then it was Eichel, then it was Hanifin and now its Matthews. How many Generation Talents can there be? It makes me wonder if certain posters have a clue what Generation Talent means.

Then when, as a poster I respect said yesterday, "a 19 year old CHLer outdueled a generational talent who has for the entire year battled 23 and 24 NCAA MEN" (he was being sarcastic), you are going to get a backlash.

Again, if certain posters would tone it down, you wouldn't see these kind of posts. I've been saying this for years but it never comes to pass.
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This is a stretch. Hanifin as a generational prospect? I've been stalking these boards for a while and don't recall seeing this a single time.
 
Siege Rhino said:
Maybe you're right, but this line of thinking is pretty new. During the draft Bobbie Mac said Eichel would have gone first over Tavares and Stamkos, and in any other draft since Crosby. What's changed in the last 3 weeks where this potential doesn't exist anymore?
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And McDavid may have gone first over Crosby.

I don't disagree Eichel is great and will be right up there with the game's elite. Just not generational in any sense of theword.
 
I don't think you can have two generational players in one draft. Plus what do you consider a "Generational Player". Is it every ten years or even longer? McDavid has been talked about even before he was drafted unto the OHL, Eichel had not. Therefore if you have to pick one, you go with McDavid.
 
Are we comparing the players after their prospect camps? We will forever compare them, but what Eichel faced was much more difficult then the skills competition Edmonton had. Not to mention he was short shifted and went up against the current #1 prospect on Hockey's Future.
 
Wasn't part of the Oilers scrimmage 3 on 3? Yeah I guess a meaningless scrimmage proves everything , Eichel sucks, McDavid guaranteed to win Calder, Hart, Selke, Pearson, Lady Byng, Art Ross and Conn Smythe this year while Eichel won't even score 20 points.Eichel sucks didn't even get a point in a scrimmage. Nylander and Barzal>>>>>Reinhart too.


Give me a ****ing break with all the Eichel haters. He's generational end of discussion. His season was even better then Kariyas because back then scoring was way higher and the talent was not even half as good in the NCAA as it is now. How about we judge NHL games to compare the two. And notice the Eichel haters are all Canadian and/or Leafs fans. What a surprise.

If we are going to take anything from the scrimmage it's that Sam Reinhart is the undisputed 3rd best prospect in hockey and will be a higher scoring version of Patrice Bergeron. The Eichel haters are the same ones who bashed Reinhart about his point totals in the W this year.

Gotta love having 2 elite franchise centers who are both teenagers. And then two elite defensively stud centers in Girgs and RoR. When Zemgus Girgensons is arguably your FOURTH best center, you just know you have the best center group in the league ainec. Girgensons once fully developed would even be a #1 on a few teams and at worst a 2C almost anywhere else besides Pittsburgh. Just crazy.
 
Buffalo fans realize McDavid is better than Eichel. Why does every Eichel thread have to include McDavids name? Does every Ovi thread include Malkin as well? Nope! I mean come on now...
 
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Buffalo fans realize McDavid is better than Eichel. Why does every Eichel thread have to include McDavids name? Does every Ovi thread include Malkin as well? Nope! I mean come on now...
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It bothers Canadians for some reason.


I should say say... certain Canadians.
 
Both are generational prospects, with regards to what they've done in their respective leagues.

Time will tell if either is generational player.
 
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