Looked very much like he did at the WJC where he just doesn't trust his teammates enough from the blue line out. He does everything himself from the defensive zone up to the face-off dot where he usually holds off the defense until the last second and feeds a player with a great pass. Unfortunately tonight no one could do anything with these passes. Baptiste of all players in the world should know what to do after playing with McDavid.
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thoughts on Eichel.
Pros
His stick handling was evidence, especially on defense couple of nice steals
His power was evidence, he did try and do too much but he wasn't half bad
His speed was evidence, although I wish I saw more.
Cons
Reinhart made him his ***** on Reinhart's second goal
He didn't dominate the game like I had hoped, he didn't create many scoring oppertunities
By the third period his was gassed and/or frustrated
But it's a July intersquad scrimage so I'm not going to read too much into it. I remember a couple of years ago I watched some walk on, maybe it was Jamie Major or something like that put up a hat trick. I don't even remember. Didn't even get a minor league contract in Rochester.
Pros
His stick handling was evidence, especially on defense couple of nice steals
His power was evidence, he did try and do too much but he wasn't half bad
His speed was evidence, although I wish I saw more.
Cons
Reinhart made him his ***** on Reinhart's second goal
He didn't dominate the game like I had hoped, he didn't create many scoring oppertunities
By the third period his was gassed and/or frustrated
But it's a July intersquad scrimage so I'm not going to read too much into it. I remember a couple of years ago I watched some walk on, maybe it was Jamie Major or something like that put up a hat trick. I don't even remember. Didn't even get a minor league contract in Rochester.
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Holy crap, it's just a rookie camp scrimmage. Eichel was phenomenal all season, including a couple months ago at the WC. He will be outstanding starting in October.
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If you watched the game, I think it's perfectly clear what Eichel's problem was tonight. The problem was that this is hockey and not basketball, and a player needs teammates to make things happen. Eichel was easily the most dangerous player on his side, though I do think he got tired at the end. He made a bunch of plays where he out-muscled the defender or stickhandled to get a nice pass or shot off. When his linemates did catch the pass they usually gave it up right away. Maybe he could have made some more plays by being more selfish, but I doubt that was his goal.
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Reinhart is the best defensive forward prospect out there. Eichel had a good game. He turned nothing into point blank chances for teammates. He passed up the opportunity to try for certain rushes I expected him to make. He was also robbed on a beauty. The game had no structure and poor ice conditions. I can't imagine anyone taking themselves seriously while putting much stock into anything out there. What I saw out there at ice level was the players with pro experience dominated, Eichel has the best skill and skating of the group, and Reinhart is stronger and faster than he was last year.
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After a while I don't think Eichel cared as much, whether it be because he is confident he already has a spot on the team or just deflated spirits given that the teams were a little off but either way I don't think Eichel was trying his hardest. I am not saying that as if making an excuse, it is a negative and hopefully not a big one. Guys who take games off for whatever reason have always worried me. Either way though, it is on,ly a rookie scrimmage and Eichel has proven he is a hell of a competitor and bad games happen. Just bounce back and win some games.
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Agreed.
McDavid is one of those guys who goes 100% all out all the time. Eichel... seems to be less intense in that regard. off course as you say when the occasion matters, he is 100% committed.
TalkingProuder
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I hated Doug Marrone as a coach for the Bills but his stupid phrase was, "Don't confuse effort with results."
In this case the reverse is true, don't confuse results with effort. In an 82 game season, when a player doesn't do well, even if he is trying, fans will say a player "isn't trying." Often times the player can be tired, or their team is just outmatched that night.
My biggest problem with Eichel in the scrimmage wasn't effort. It's that he was too unselfish and kept passing the puck to people who were having off nights. I know he didn't want to showboat and be a team player, but hopefully in the NHL when that happens he realizes he can be the spark. Also, Eichel can be moved around this year. If he doesn't have chemistry with linemates one night Bylsma can move him to the Kane-ROR line and let Reinhart or Girgensons center the second line.
With regard to McDavid vs Eichel troll attempt, not taking the bait. Pretty much everyone gave McDavid a pass in the playoffs when his team lost saying McDavid "didn't have any help." Well, that was just as true last night for Eichel. Let's leave it at that.
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Most Oiler fans who watched the scrimmage will say McDavid was no where near going 100%. If that's what you're talking about at least.
TalkingProuder
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He was just trying to get a dig in at Eichel. Leafs fan grasping at straws trying to ascertain a player's compete level in a development camp scrimmage. Soon enough he will get to see the player smoke the Leafs year after year.
Eichel is a good player but definitely NOT generational. I think the media labelled him that way as part of the pre draft hype machine. McDavid however, now that's generational. His skill sets are on a different planet and the way he can take command of a game all on his own is just amazing.
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And the Leafs will draft someone that will smoke the Sabres.... etc etc etc (The cycle will continue). Don't judge anyone too harshly based on a prospect camp. This is for both ends of the spectrum (Don't get too high or low on a player based on a hokey camp in the middle of the summer). Eichel will do great and I look forward to watching him this year on the Sabres.
TalkingProuder
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Eichel is a good, not great player and Reinhart is second line center, at best. Kane is a cancer and ROR is a nice, but overpaid second stringer. Buffalo traded for a backup goalie.
Can't wait for the regular season!
CaseyMitts37
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Eichel is a good, not great player and Reinhart is second line center, at best. Kane is a cancer and ROR is a nice, but overpaid second stringer. Buffalo traded for a backup goalie.
Can't wait for the regular season!
Don't forget that they traded away two franchise defenseman, Myers and Zadorov
TalkingProuder
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Don't forget that they traded away two franchise defenseman, Myers and Zadorov
Buffalo should be in line for another bottom 3 finish with their loss of 2 franchise D and only adding a few 18 year old players with low ceilings.
Lost one for Auston...
TalkingProuder
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And Leafs fans lecturing about compete level after that embarrassing perfomance turned in by their professional hockey team last year...
This would be like Buffalo fans lecturing the Leafs on rebuilding or tanking this year.
Back to Eichel, just incredibly fast when he takes off. Should get to showcase like McDavid in the 3 on 3 scrimmage later.
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Is your point that Leafs fans should know better than anyone else about lack of compete level?
TalkingProuder
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Yes, but to be fair Babcock will staple Leafs to the bench that float around and look disinterested this year.
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Yes, but to be fair Babcock will staple Leafs to the bench that float around and look disinterested this year.
Guys, this is the Jack Eichel thread, can we take the bickering and the cheap shots out of this thread?
Eichel definitely showed signs of exhaustion. Not sure if that was nerves, or if it was culmination of the amount of hockey he played coupled with the amount of public publicity without any real rest.
Either way, no matter the results of the scrimmage we shouldn't be too harsh or too hyped of how he played. He showed the talent level in spurts and that's all I wanted to see.
I think you guys need to be realistic about Eichel. Lets just peg the guy at a #1 scoring/playmaking center in the Getzlaf mould.
Trying to 'force' him to be a 90% Mc David is not healthy for the guy right now. Sure he can get there but lets not penalize the guy because he has the never ending bad luck of being drafted and compared to Mc David most of his junior career.
Setting the bar at almost matching Mc David step for step or bust is not healthy for him. He played fine. Reinhart is a year older and has 9 NHL games under his belt. He schooled him but Eichel wont make the same mistake again.
Trying to 'force' him to be a 90% Mc David is not healthy for the guy right now. Sure he can get there but lets not penalize the guy because he has the never ending bad luck of being drafted and compared to Mc David most of his junior career.
Setting the bar at almost matching Mc David step for step or bust is not healthy for him. He played fine. Reinhart is a year older and has 9 NHL games under his belt. He schooled him but Eichel wont make the same mistake again.
TalkingProuder
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That's not our assessment, we got that from NHL scouts. I'll take their projections over angry fans on a message board.
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I don't know why anyone is making a big deal of this. These scrimmages are so pointless, you've got guys who are already NHL ready vs 7th round picks who are five years away, there's no structure, the incentive is to showcase yourself rather than win, you get players fighting their future teammates for no reason. It's useless for evaluating players. Love how Dubas just did away with the concept entirely. You can evaluate the players better at the rookie tournament in September.
Terrific post.
There is no doubt Eichel will be better than Reinhart -and that is not a small statement.
However, its far better to dump the expectations onto ROR and keep Eichel well protected . Expectations for him being Getzlaf is a pretty darn high threshold and he doesnt need any more pressure to keep up with Mc David.
Who know? Maybe he will. Lets not demand it or even mention it.
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