C Jack Eichel (2015, 2nd, BUF) IV

[Sansbacon]

My favorite part of that 1st play was O'Reilly's play along the wall. Excellent work. I was flabbergasted when Bernier stoned Ennis.

I think Eichel's pass was a little too slow. If he had zipped it across to Ennis a bit quicker then I'm not so sure Bernier has enough time to move into position. Still, it was a sweet looking save on his end.

My favorite part of watching these 2 clips, is Eichel's body positioning on Rielly for that setup feed to Gionta

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

I'd like to see a top 6 of:

Kane - O'Reilly - Girgensons (or the KORG line, for any musicians out there)
Moulson - Eichel - Ennis (the MEE line)

And then fiddle around with the bottom 6 as necessary to start the year. The KORG line would be a huge PITA to play against along with the ability to score, and the chemistry that Ennis and Eichel had together against Ottawa was drool-worthy.

I've got no requests for PP units; just whatever works.

Nice.

 

[Paxon]

Now, let's be clear, what you said is nonsense. All of it. Jack gets the attention he deserves in Canada, BUT if SOME believe he isn't, then fault should be placed somewhere else, and not "oh it's the Canadian media... and if Jack were Canadian" and that sort of silliness. but that is the typical HF nonsense I see here day in and day out.

You're attributing to me things I did not say then calling it nonsense. I didn't say anything about the Canadian media or "if Jack were Canadian". My post was very clear. I don't see how you can even argue with my point, which is perhaps why you are instead arguing with things I did not say.

Someone claimed Jack doesn't get the hype and attention he deserves because he's not Canadian. You said you believe he does get the hype and attention he deserves. Perfectly reasonable. I believe reality is closer to that than the former claim. If you stopped there, fine. Everything else you said was, yes, nonsense. The justification proposed just in case the poster's claims were correct is simply ridiculous. The Canadian hockey media covers the league. If it were in fact ignoring or underrating one of the best prospects of the past decade because he's American, that would be a failure on their part as journalists and analysts.

 

[NyQuil]

That's what I keep thinking.

If he were a good ole Canadian boy who dominated Juniors instead of the NCAA, and was doing what he's doing now, the hype from the Canadian media would be non-stop.

He's much better off.

The Canadian hockey media covers the league. If it were in fact ignoring or underrating one of the best prospects of the past decade because he's American, that would be a failure on their part as journalists and analysts.

And I guarantee that Eichel's name is much more well-known north of the border.

We've known about Eichel for years thanks to the 24-hour hockey media machine these days.

No one sneaks into the draft anymore. Especially not someone with his prodigious talent.

With respect to the respective hype of the two players, nationality does play a part, especially with the prominence of TSN's coverage of the WJCs, but so too does the fact that McDavid was drafted #1 (see Ovechkin vs. Malkin) and the fact that he was drafted by a Canadian team.

If McDavid had been drafted second and gone to Buffalo, I don't think you'd see the same kind of attention as you're seeing with him right now.

I can only imagine what it would have been like if Crosby had been drafted by Edmonton. :shudder:

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Not only that, but I think Jack gets the coverage and hype he deserves in Canada...and I don't feel it is incumbent on the Canadian media to go above and beyond what they are already doing to hype an American prospect playing in an American market. So, if anybody feels Jack is getting short changed on the hype meter, then perhaps the American media is at fault. Or maybe the marketing gurus in New York City should get to work.

So you agree that if he were Canadian, he would be getting more hype? Given that Canadian outlets dominate hockey media.

 

[Dubi Doo]

So you agree that if he were Canadian, he would be getting more hype? Given that Canadian outlets dominate hockey media.

He's getting a lot of attention on Facebook. His shortie against the Leafs the other day was posted by the NHL's official Facebook page and has 200K views since being posted one hour ago.

 

[NyQuil]

So you agree that if he were Canadian, he would be getting more hype? Given that Canadian outlets dominate hockey media.

He'd get more hype than McDavid if he were playing for the Leafs.

I'd say it goes:

1. Canadian team.
2. Canadian player.
3. Good player.
4. Infamous player.

Look at a guy like Nylander who is not Canadian and is already a household name.

 

[ForsakenSabre]

As a Sabres fan clearly...I do kind of feel bad for all the other players who get interviewed during or after Sabres games. They are non-stop "OMG tell us how good Eichel is" questions. I'm half expecting them to interview the goalie after Jack's first goal and ask them if it was an honor to have been scored on by him

 

[Get North]

Eichel gets quite enough attention in Canada. The draft from TSN's perspective was Mac vs Jack, not the McDavid draft. Stop *****ing. Eichel is after McDavid, not with McDavid which is totally fair considering McDavid is better, clearly. If Americans think differently, well NBC is all about Americans, all they talk about is American hockey players so there's that. Most Canadians know a lot about Eichel and McDavid anyways that they don't need a ton of coverage on these two players. It's just repeats of phrases until the end of the season.

 

[Plub]

Eichel gets quite enough attention in Canada. The draft from TSN's perspective was Mac vs Jack, not the McDavid draft. Stop *****ing. Eichel is after McDavid, not with McDavid which is totally fair considering McDavid is better, clearly. If Americans think differently, well NBC is all about Americans, all they talk about is American hockey players so there's that. Most Canadians know a lot about Eichel and McDavid anyways that they don't need a ton of coverage on these two players. It's just repeats of phrases until the end of the season.

You saying your opinion as fact, doesn't actually make it fact. Ever since they have played in the same league, Jack has looked noticeably better. McDavid has looked fantastic, but not as good as Jack. I think that would be most people's view that have watched both (in the NHL).

Now, last year, Eichel dominated his league as did McDavid. So, where is this difference you speak of coming from? Skill wise, they both do certain things better than the other. The only reason I can see someone not accepting that they are both on the same level is the hype that McDavid has had. As I'm sure you know, McDavid was being hyped for year(s) as the next "one". You cannot say the same about Eichel. That is literally the only thing that separates them.

And it isn't just Americans that think this. Although it isn't surprising to see you try to take shots at something American. That's you and kevyd's "thing" after all.

So, please do explain to me how McDavid is "cleary" ahead of Eichel. I'm willing to be persuaded.

 

[Get North]

You saying your opinion as fact, doesn't actually make it fact. Ever since they have played in the same league, Jack has looked noticeably better. McDavid has looked fantastic, but not as good as Jack. I think that would be most people's view that have watched both (in the NHL).

Now, last year, Eichel dominated his league as did McDavid. So, where is this difference you speak of coming from? Skill wise, they both do certain things better than the other. The only reason I can see someone not accepting that they are both on the same level is the hype that McDavid has had. As I'm sure you know, McDavid was being hyped for year(s) as the next "one". You cannot say the same about Eichel. That is literally the only thing that separates them.

And it isn't just Americans that think this. Although it isn't surprising to see you try to take shots at something American. That's you and kevyd's "thing" after all.

So, please do explain to me how McDavid is "cleary" ahead of Eichel. I'm willing to be persuaded.

Have you watched both of them play in all their pre-season games? No you haven't. Eichel has more points but McDavid has been the best Oilers player every game. I saw Eichel's televised games, he had a good Ottawa game but the Toronto game wasn't anything that good other than the breakaway goal. McDavid has been flying for the Oilers consistently. Ryan Rishaug who covers the Oilers for TSN said McDavid could have had a hat-trick against Arizona.

Only a few people on these boards think Eichel>McDavid. It doesn't matter though, McDavid has outproduced Eichel whenever they are on the same level of competition (international play). Atleast the scouts aren't as delusional.

Ten out of 10 NHL scouts surveyed by TSN have Erie Otter centre Connor McDavid as the No. 1 prospect for the 2015 NHL Draft. - Bob McKenzie. I don't have to persuade you, you'll just learn that I'm right when McDavid wins the Calder and shows that he is one of the best players in the world while Eichel is left behind fighting for 40 points.

Since you're not watching here are some quotes from people who did watch:

Last night alone probaly 10 legit scoring chances created. And that happens every game. Never seen such a thing

3GP - 4A

But is easily leading the team in scoring chances, probably 2-1 more then anyone else, he will figure out how to bury them.

McDavid was unbelievable last night. Should've scored three. The Oilers rarely have breakaways, last night McDavid had three. He single handedly creates odd man rushes, he must've been on 6-7 last night.

 

[Havok89]

McDavid looked really good vs Arizona but did you get a chance to look at the roster they iced vs Edmonton? It makes Toronto look playoff bound.

 

[KidLine93]

He's much better off.



And I guarantee that Eichel's name is much more well-known north of the border.

We've known about Eichel for years thanks to the 24-hour hockey media machine these days.

No one sneaks into the draft anymore. Especially not someone with his prodigious talent.

With respect to the respective hype of the two players, nationality does play a part, especially with the prominence of TSN's coverage of the WJCs, but so too does the fact that McDavid was drafted #1 (see Ovechkin vs. Malkin) and the fact that he was drafted by a Canadian team.

If McDavid had been drafted second and gone to Buffalo, I don't think you'd see the same kind of attention as you're seeing with him right now.

I can only imagine what it would have been like if Crosby had been drafted by Edmonton. :shudder:

1. Well obviously, because that would mean there was a prospect even better than McDavid to talk about. McDavid gets this hype simply because he was the best, not because he was canadian. Why does Eichel get so much more media attention than Strome? is it because he's american??

2. Crosby had the most hype out of any prospect since Lindros, it didn't matter where he went he was always the center of attention when it came to hockey.

 

[KidLine93]

He'd get more hype than McDavid if he were playing for the Leafs.

I'd say it goes:

1. Canadian team.
2. Canadian player.
3. Good player.
4. Infamous player.

Look at a guy like Nylander who is not Canadian and is already a household name.

so with your theory, Mark Letestu, Luke Gazdic, and Benoit Pouliot would be getting more media attention than Jack Eichel is.

I say it Goes: (this only refers to media attention in a canadian market, I live in San Jose right now and hear nothing about the Oilers or McDavid.)

1. Good Player
2. Canadian Team
3.Good Team
4.Canadian Player (over half the league is canadian, you can go a year without knowing who some random canadian player is)

 

[KidLine93]

You saying your opinion as fact, doesn't actually make it fact. Ever since they have played in the same league, Jack has looked noticeably better. McDavid has looked fantastic, but not as good as Jack. I think that would be most people's view that have watched both (in the NHL).

Now, last year, Eichel dominated his league as did McDavid. So, where is this difference you speak of coming from? Skill wise, they both do certain things better than the other. The only reason I can see someone not accepting that they are both on the same level is the hype that McDavid has had. As I'm sure you know, McDavid was being hyped for year(s) as the next "one". You cannot say the same about Eichel. That is literally the only thing that separates them.

And it isn't just Americans that think this. Although it isn't surprising to see you try to take shots at something American. That's you and kevyd's "thing" after all.

So, please do explain to me how McDavid is "cleary" ahead of Eichel. I'm willing to be persuaded.

The only time they played the same level of competition and a majority of the same teams McDavid was better. World Juniors.

Also the Oiler games are not televised outside of the region, please tell me how many time you have watched him this pre-season

 

[MayDay]

The only time they played the same level of competition and a majority of the same teams McDavid was better. World Juniors.

Yeah, and Reinhart was better than both of them in that tournament.

Does that mean that Reinhart will be better than Eichel and McDavid? No, of course not.

The WJC isn't a good barometer for future projections.

 

[Paxon]

As a Sabres fan clearly...I do kind of feel bad for all the other players who get interviewed during or after Sabres games. They are non-stop "OMG tell us how good Eichel is" questions. I'm half expecting them to interview the goalie after Jack's first goal and ask them if it was an honor to have been scored on by him

It was annoying in dev camp and the prospects tournament. It's more annoying now.

 

[Get North]

Yeah, and Reinhart was better than both of them in that tournament.

Does that mean that Reinhart will be better than Eichel and McDavid? No, of course not.

The WJC isn't a good barometer for future projections.

Reinhart was 19, Eichel was 18, and McDavid was 17. Eichel wasn't bad but McDavid was just better and was the star of the 2nd line for Canada. It's not for sure but they were playing the same teams in the same group.

 

[Paxon]

Have you watched both of them play in all their pre-season games? No you haven't. Eichel has more points but McDavid has been the best Oilers player every game. I saw Eichel's televised games, he had a good Ottawa game but the Toronto game wasn't anything that good other than the breakaway goal. McDavid has been flying for the Oilers consistently. Ryan Rishaug who covers the Oilers for TSN said McDavid could have had a hat-trick against Arizona.

Only a few people on these boards think Eichel>McDavid. It doesn't matter though, McDavid has outproduced Eichel whenever they are on the same level of competition (international play). Atleast the scouts aren't as delusional.

Ten out of 10 NHL scouts surveyed by TSN have Erie Otter centre Connor McDavid as the No. 1 prospect for the 2015 NHL Draft. - Bob McKenzie. I don't have to persuade you, you'll just learn that I'm right when McDavid wins the Calder and shows that he is one of the best players in the world while Eichel is left behind fighting for 40 points.

Since you're not watching here are some quotes from people who did watch:

The bolded is obviously not true since Eichel outproduced McDavid in two less games the previous WJC. Eichel and McDavid played under completely different circumstances in the 2015 tournament. I agree that McDavid had a better tournament. I agree that he's a better prospect. What you brought up as an argument in favor of those positions is silly.

To the first part in your post... have you watched them both in all of their preseason games? No. No one has watched them both in all of their preseason games since 1/3rd of Jack's games was not filmed. I'm guessing most people in this thread popped on the Oilers web site to watch McDavid at their leisure since it's incredibly simple to do.

Not directed at you: I wish everyone would leave Jack out of the McDavid thread and Connor out of this thread unless where directly relevant. It's completely derailing. There's a whole thread for Jack vs. Connor.

 

[Hisch13r]

Reinhart was 19, Eichel was 18, and McDavid was 17. Eichel wasn't bad but McDavid was just better and was the star of the 2nd line for Canada. It's not for sure but they were playing the same teams in the same group.

It's less than a 3 month difference between the two. Also McDavid played lesser competition than Eichel because as you said he was the star on the 2nd line

 

[NyQuil]

so with your theory, Mark Letestu, Luke Gazdic, and Benoit Pouliot would be getting more media attention than Jack Eichel is.

I say it Goes: (this only refers to media attention in a canadian market, I live in San Jose right now and hear nothing about the Oilers or McDavid.)

1. Good Player
2. Canadian Team
3.Good Team
4.Canadian Player (over half the league is canadian, you can go a year without knowing who some random canadian player is)

I meant more that the Canadian Team and Canadian Player categories were in addition to being good players.

I guess it wasn't very clear.

 

[Havok89]

Reinhart was 19, Eichel was 18, and McDavid was 17. Eichel wasn't bad but McDavid was just better and was the star of the 2nd line for Canada. It's not for sure but they were playing the same teams in the same group.

McDavid had the advantage of having Reinhart do the heavy lifting. Whereas Eichel's line had to face off against Reinhart, who was dominant in that tournament.

 

[Get North]

The bolded is obviously not true since Eichel outproduced McDavid in two less games the previous WJC. Eichel and McDavid played under completely different circumstances in the 2015 tournament. I agree that McDavid had a better tournament. I agree that he's a better prospect. What you brought up as an argument in favor of those positions is silly.

To the first part in your post... have you watched them both in all of their preseason games? No. No one has watched them both in all of their preseason games since 1/3rd of Jack's games was not filmed. I'm guessing most people in this thread popped on the Oilers web site to watch McDavid at their leisure since it's incredibly simple to do.

During that WJC, McDavid was fairly small, Eichel was solidly built for his age and against playing above his age group. Now? McDavid has gained strength which was shown at the last World Juniors. But when McDavid burns Eichel's ass, the WJC tournament didn't count. Ok bud.

I haven't watched every game, Eichel made some really good plays in the Ottawa game, Toronto game wasn't quite "generational." I rely on some information from posts from people who did watch games, I saw one of McDavid's game and I'll be seeing the rest of his games in the pre-season as well. He could have had a hat-trick according to Ryan Rishaug, but regardless he had a generational game against Phoenix.

McDavid had the advantage of having Reinhart do the heavy lifting. Whereas Eichel's line had to face off against Reinhart, who was dominant in that tournament.

When they were facing teams like Finland, Slovakia, Germany, those teams didn't really have a "shut down" line. The players are sort of equal, it's like asking should Keith-Weber or Vlasic-Doughty play against Ovechkin. They are great players at their level regardless and should do a good job shutting them down.

 

[Paxon]

During that WJC, McDavid was fairly small, Eichel was solidly built for his age and against playing above his age group. Now? McDavid has gained strength which was shown at the last World Juniors. But when McDavid burns Eichel's ass, the WJC tournament didn't count. Ok bud.

Did I say the first WJC counted and the second didn't? I said that you are incorrect in asserting that every time they played on the same level McDavid was better. It's simply false. What you really meant is that this year McDavid had a better tournament than Eichel. I further said that neither factors to any worthwhile degree in the argument. If scouting is about comparing WJC's then there wouldn't be any scouts. No need to take some "Ok bud" tone with me when you don't bother to grasp what I say before getting up in arms about it.

I haven't watched every game, Eichel made some really good plays in the Ottawa game, Toronto game wasn't quite "generational." I rely on some information from posts from people who did watch games, I saw one of McDavid's game and I'll be seeing the rest of his games in the pre-season as well. He could have had a hat-trick according to Ryan Rishaug, but regardless he had a generational game against Phoenix.

I agree with you that his game last night was relatively quiet despite a great goal and several good set-ups. I said as much myself here and on our board. Going by radio, Minnesota fans in attendance, highlights, and Bylsma, the untelevized game vs. Minnesota was around the level of the Ottawa game.

Not relevant to any point, but I have to say the term 'generational' has jumped the shark. I'd love to see it retired.

 

[Havok89]

During that WJC, McDavid was fairly small, Eichel was solidly built for his age and against playing above his age group. Now? McDavid has gained strength which was shown at the last World Juniors. But when McDavid burns Eichel's ass, the WJC tournament didn't count. Ok bud.

I haven't watched every game, Eichel made some really good plays in the Ottawa game, Toronto game wasn't quite "generational." I rely on some information from posts from people who did watch games, I saw one of McDavid's game and I'll be seeing the rest of his games in the pre-season as well. He could have had a hat-trick according to Ryan Rishaug, but regardless he had a generational game against Phoenix.

When they were facing teams like Finland, Slovakia, Germany, those teams didn't really have a "shut down" line. The players are sort of equal, it's like asking should Keith-Weber or Vlasic-Doughty play against Ovechkin. They are great players at their level regardless and should do a good job shutting them down.

McDavid didn't play that great until later in the tournament. At the end of the day, you could swap Eichel and McDavid and Canada still cruises to the gold medal.

McDavid was arguably the third best player on his team, and Eichel was counted on to be the #1 guy on an inferior team.