C Gabriel Vilardi (2017, 11th, LAK)

[Baemon Severson*]

Hopefully if the Avs do fall, they only fall to #3 because I've watched quite a few videos of Gabriel Vilardi and I really really like him. He'd be a great addition to the Avalanche forward group and would certainly help in forming a comfortable Top 6. I can already imagine him on a line with Tyson Jost . Jost isn't small but Vilardi is even taller .

Landy - Mack - Rants
- Jost - Vilardi

That D tho

 

[Goulet17]

That D tho

The Avs still have Erik Johnson and Tyson Barrie along with a young Zadorov, Mironov (assuming that he makes the leap from the KHL), and defensive prospects Bigras and Meloche. The Avs certainly need more, but the situation is not as dire as it may seem.

The Avs are unlikely to force the selection of a defensive player in the top-4, unless somehow Liljegren or Makar is deemed to be the BPA at that particular slot. I have doubts that will be the case, but we will see.

 

[Get North]

I like Vilardi much more than Strome. I really like how much more Vilardi competes in the corners, he battles much harder, and he moves feet more. Strome probably has the harder shot and hands, but Vilardi is more versatile and do more things on the ice than Strome.

 

[M2Beezy]

I think Id take him at 3

 

[Baemon Severson*]

He's shooting close to 20 % with only 3 shots per game. Why isn't he shooting more?

 

[LUV Carti*]

The Avs still have Erik Johnson and Tyson Barrie along with a young Zadorov, Mironov (assuming that he makes the leap from the KHL), and defensive prospects Bigras and Meloche

This doesn't sound all that good in my opinion

 

[Goulet17]

This doesn't sound all that good in my opinion

It's still better than some NHL teams on paper, although those teams are outperforming their roster IMO.

 

[Goulet17]

Vilardi had a couple of assists yesterday in Windsor's 4-3 victory over London.

 

[Face Of Bear]

It's still better than some NHL teams on paper, although those teams are outperforming their roster IMO.

It really isn't...

 

[93LEAFS]

It really isn't...

Maybe if Erik Johnson could play more than 70 games, but considering he averages 27 missed games a year over the past 3 seasons, it absolutely is an issue. It is not like he has track record of staying healthy prior to that. I can't think of a team whose defence is in worse shape.

 

[Goulet17]

It really isn't...

Is Vancouver better on paper now or in the future?

Is Toronto better on paper now or in the future?

Both teams have certainly had better years, but is the personnel for either of those teams really appreciably better on paper?

My view may be outside the norm, but I am also fairly confident that I am correct. Colorado's issues go well beyond their defensive personnel.

In any event, I don't want to hijack a thread intended for the discussion of Gabriel Vilardi.

I will save everyone the time, as I don't find the possible counterarguments particularly persuasive or compelling [deleted word "intelligent" in an attempt to come across as slightly less condescending]. As a result, it is simply a waste of time to discuss.

 

[iFan]

Is Vancouver better on paper now or in the future?

Is Toronto better on paper now or in the future?

Both teams have certainly had better years, but is the personnel for either of those teams really appreciably better on paper?

My view may be outside the norm, but I am also fairly confident that I am correct. Colorado's issues go well beyond their defensive personnel.

In any event, I don't want to hijack a thread intended for the discussion of Gabriel Vilardi.

I will save everyone the time, as I don't find the possible counterarguments particularly persuasive or intelligent. As a result, it is simply a waste of time to discuss.

We talking about the D core? I'd say Vancouver is looking better than the Avs there, our D future looks pretty solid, forwards need a lot of work.

 

[dellzor]

Is Vancouver better on paper now or in the future?

Is Toronto better on paper now or in the future?

Both teams have certainly had better years, but is the personnel for either of those teams really appreciably better on paper?

My view may be outside the norm, but I am also fairly confident that I am correct. Colorado's issues go well beyond their defensive personnel.

In any event, I don't want to hijack a thread intended for the discussion of Gabriel Vilardi.

I will save everyone the time, as I don't find the possible counterarguments particularly persuasive or compelling [deleted word "intelligent" in an attempt to come across as slightly less condescending]. As a result, it is simply a waste of time to discuss.

Did you just really compare Vancouver and Colorado's D?

Let's compare, which D core would you rather have?

I'm basing off the most COMMON pairings in the past 10 games

Johnson - Barberio
Barrie - Tyutin
Beauchemin - Lindholm

Since Zadorov is injured, I assume he typically plays 2nd / 3rd pairing

MIA: Zadorov

vs

Edler - Stecher
Sbisa - Tanev
Hutton - Tryamkin

MIA: Gudbranson

In the pipeline, the Avalanche has

Meloche
Bigras
Mironov
Anderson
Clurman
Boikov

In the pipeline, the Canucks has

Juolevi
Brisebois
Neil
Subban
Olson


Yeah, I take the Canucks definitely lol

 

[rt]

So glad we have all this discuss on Vilardi in this Vilardi thread.

 

[Orca Smash]

I really have not seen alot of him outside a few windsor games and watched him again friday, can you really compare him to Leon drasaitl given the large difference in production in draft years?

Drasaitl had a 105 point season.

But many seem high on him at number 3. He looked great down low and in the corners.

 

[Magua]

I really have not seen alot of him outside a few windsor games and watched him again friday, can you really compare him to Leon drasaitl given the large difference in production in draft years?

Drasaitl had a 105 point season.

But many seem high on him at number 3. He looked great down low and in the corners.

I'm not saying Draisaitl is the style comparable I'd make other than the skating concerns, but there's a 10 month age gap in their respective draft years if you want to compare their statistics. That's a huge difference. Compare next season to Draisaitl's draft season.

 

[JA]

I compare him to Alexander Frolov, who was a monstrous player behind the net with good hockey IQ, hands, and creativity, as well as a sound two-way game. He wasn't particularly fast, but used his size well to protect the puck. I don't see quite as many similarities to Draisaitl.

I got to see Frolov here in Columbus Wed. night, from close range (I'm usually up in the cheapies).

Pretty impressive. Big, w/good defensive presence. Nice moves, especially on the wrap-around (I was sitting right behind that goal, about 6 rows up). Good all-around player.

Frolov has a rare combination of skills. He has size and is strong on the puck. He also has good puck handling and plays good defense. I might say a blend of Allison and Palffy.

Frolov played the first part of the season on the "energy line" (read 3rd liners at best) with naught for PP time and saw absolutely tons of PK time and still has a fantastic +/- at 15. For a young lad in his second year to be THE PK option for his team to have that big of a +/- is quite a feat and one that none other in the league has.

A couple of months ago he also started seeing legitimate time up front and now has 39 points to go with his +/- 15. He *rarely* gets set up for his goals meaning he has to do loads of his own work for them. Not that Nash does, just pointing out an observation for Frolovs skills.

Frolov plays a disciplined two way game. Is his teams leading PK forward. (right there) is one of the leagues top +/- players and is 3 points behind Nash in scoring.

...

Like I said, it depends on what you need. If you need an all around LW who will get you points and play a smart game then it is Frolov

the kid (frolov) has size, the ability to play a two-way game, tremendous upside that he is already realizing, and he's more surefire than either nederost or vrbata. Alex will be the prototype scoring winger of the future.

Frolov is currently at 7 goals and 8 assists and is a plus 8. He plays both ends of the ice and is starting show glimpses of being a dominant player. The thing with this fellow is that he isn't just a sniper, he is the total game and is just starting to show what he can do. He plays allot of time with guys who would have a hard time making most NHL teams 3rd and 4rth lines and he is still producing offensively. He is playing that *european power forward* style of game. Not a true PF mind you, but close as a european player at his age is going to get. Not that he is the best player in the league or anything close, it's just that the kid is the real deal and is proving it most every night. I would stick with him rather than gamble on two other prospects who have yet to show that they can pan out in a like manner. Not that they are bad prospects, just that Frolov is already showing he deserves his *elite* (as much as any young player does) tag and that makes him a bit more of a value. I think anyway but really, what do I know.

 

[93LEAFS]

I really have not seen alot of him outside a few windsor games and watched him again friday, can you really compare him to Leon drasaitl given the large difference in production in draft years?

Drasaitl had a 105 point season.

But many seem high on him at number 3. He looked great down low and in the corners.

The differences are a decent margin, but you have to factor in two things if you want to compare them by the numbers. Firstly, OHL scoring is slightly more transferable to NHL scoring than WHL, even if the margin isn't large. Secondly, there is a sizable age difference. Granted, Draisaitl also played in the WJC. Factoring in the regular season, WJC and playoffs with adjustments for age, and league quality Draisaitl still comes out ahead with a 1.60 over 75 games. Vilardi currently sits at 1.37 over 51 games.

I don't really see him as that similar to Draisaitl playstyle wise. They are both big bodies with skating issues, but I see Vilardi as a bit more of a goal scorer, whereas Draisaitl is more of a playmaker. Vilardi plays more like Tavares did as a junior, not that I expect him to reach that level of player. Tavares also massively improved his skating which allowed him to be an impact center at the NHL level.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

I think he'll be a solid NHLer, but not a superstar.

 

[GetThePuckOuttaHere*]

I think he'll be a solid NHLer, but not a superstar.

Why? He has everything but the wheels, which can still come. You gotta remember that this guy is really young for his draft class; 10 years from now, half a year won't be noticeable, but it is relevant currently.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Jamie Benn type ceiling?

 

[93LEAFS]

Jamie Benn type ceiling?

He can be a star in the NHL, but I wouldn't use Benn as a comparable. Similar build and also moves between wing and center. But, he doesn't play with that edge that Benn does. He'll use his size and bulk to protect the puck and attack the middle of the ice and has good vision. It is complimented with a great shot. I don't see him ending up as good as either player, but he uses his size more like Tavares or Matthews (both significantly better skaters, although Tavares was terrible at 17), than say a Getzlaf or Benn.

I'd seriously consider him at #1 at this point (which is more of an indictment of my current feelings on Patrick and Hischier). This draft is really questionable. Bad-depth and lack of a strong top of the draft. Last 2 years, I don't think he cracks the top 5 in either, maybe even top 7. It will be interesting to see how he closes out the season, he has ample opportunity to improve is stock.

 

[lawrence]

IF NOlan patrick's Celing is a elite 2nd line player, then what is Vilardi's ceiling?

will absolutely not draft him with a top 5 pick.

 

[Jamesbay]

IF NOlan patrick's Celing is a elite 2nd line player, then what is Vilardi's ceiling?

will absolutely not draft him with a top 5 pick.

That's not Patrick's ceiling, but that's most likely where he ends up. He conceivably could up his game and be a bonafide #1 centre.

Vilardi probably also ends up as a good 2nd line centre, but Patrick has the more well rounded game (especially on skating).

 

[WhatWhat]

IF NOlan patrick's Celing is a elite 2nd line player, then what is Vilardi's ceiling?

will absolutely not draft him with a top 5 pick.

That's where Patrick projects to end up. Projection is not the same as ceiling. Also with the lack of superstar talent in this draft there won't be many with projected 1st line or top D status. Some will get there but a lot of the prospects in the early first will be/are going to get top 6 and top4 projections at draft time