C Dylan Strome - Erie Otters, OHL (2015 Draft)

[FrozenJagrt]

Strome's Top end: Jason Allison

Strome's likely trajectory: Josh Bailey

Strome's low end: Joe Colborne

Why would you waste your 3rd pick on a guy like this when you could have Crouse, Barzal, or Marner?

Those are his comparables because you say so?

Top end: Thornton
Likely trajectory: Spezza
Low end: Berglund

I can pull out random names to support a view on a player too, doesn't mean I'm right and everyone else is wrong (though that is usually the case)

For what it's worth, I'm indifferent toward Strome, Hanifin and Marner. I don't care which one my favourite team takes, I'll be content.

 

[Knies iT]

Strome's Top end: Jason Allison

Strome's likely trajectory: Josh Bailey

Strome's low end: Joe Colborne

Why would you waste your 3rd pick on a guy like this when you could have Crouse, Barzal, or Marner?

Marner's top end: Daniel Briere

Marner's likely trajectory: Tyler Ennis

Marner's low end: Jordan Schroeder

 

[Comic Book Guy*]

Those are his comparables because you say so?

I'm unsure why you're getting testy about my comparables....

Jason Allison was a mammoth 6'3 center who's biggest weakness was his skating.

Despite this challenge, he achieved:

a) 50-59 assists per season during his 5-6 year prime
b) 83-95 points per season during his prime
c) Had a 36 goal season, so he could score too.
d) Scored nearly 1 PPG during his swan song with the Maple Leafs in '05

Jason Allison is one of the best playmaking centers of his generation.

I think it's a terrific comparison.

Just because you're too young to know who that is, doesn't mean my comparable is wrong.

 

[Comic Book Guy*]

Strome's Top end: Jason Allison

Strome's likely trajectory: Jozef Stumpel

Strome's low end: Joe Colborne

Changed his likely trajectory for all the haters.

 

[Menzinger]

Colborne never out up anything comparable to Strome's offensive numbers.... It's a silly comparison to make.

 

[Highlander23]

HF never stops to amaze me, ppl are on strome page just because he is likely a leafs target. i don't particularly love strome (i prefer hanifin or manner) but i can aknowledge that he is a great player, with some flaws like any 18 years old.

Definetly playing injured, so yes he is having an average playoffs (you know who else had bad playoffs ? malkin !! he is still a great player though)

 

[FrozenJagrt]

I'm unsure why you're getting testy about my comparables....

Jason Allison was a mammoth 6'3 center who's biggest weakness was his skating.

Despite this challenge, he achieved:

a) 50-59 assists per season during his 5-6 year prime
b) 83-95 points per season during his prime
c) Had a 36 goal season, so he could score too.
d) Scored nearly 1 PPG during his swan song with the Maple Leafs in '05

Jason Allison is one of the best playmaking centers of his generation.

I think it's a terrific comparison.

Just because you're too young to know who that is, doesn't mean my comparable is wrong.

To start, taking a shot at my age is indicative of your own immaturity, isn't it?

I know Jason Allison very well. I liked him as a player. But his numbers are entirely irrelevant. He got phased out of the NHL because his skating was so damn bad. Never mind his 60 point season, that year had a lot of high point totals, a far cry from what we're seeing today. The highest total from this season wouldn't have cracked the top ten that year. The game is different from then, and it is certainly different from the mid 90s. Strome's skill-set, from my viewings, is better tailored for today than Allison's was, even at his best.

Strome's skating isn't nearly as bad as some suggest. He's not Guy Lafleur, but he is an effective skater for his own style of play. And I don't think his skating compares to Allison's.

Strome is a better skater than Allison was in terms of agility and top speed. Allison was stronger, but Strome could get there. But the point is that while he won't be winning races, he can keep up and get where he needs to go just fine. And his skating can improve with the right coaching. Just look at what Barb Underhill has done for some of her students.

Where I genuinely take issue is Josh Bailey as a likely comparison. Bailey is a disappointment to be polite. Hitting 40 points once is not good for a top ten prospect, and you're suggesting that a guy who will probably go fifth will end up like him? I don't agree at all.

You're limiting Strome's potential. To suggest his top end comparable is a guy who effectively played in a completely different era is unfair, to suggest his likely trajectory is comparable to a guy that had been a total bust is just silly in my opinion.

Could you be right? Absolutely! Could I eat a calculator and crap out some winning lottery numbers? Sure. I just feel like you have a bias against Strome that prevents a realistic analysis.

 

[Fourier]

I'm unsure why you're getting testy about my comparables....

Jason Allison was a mammoth 6'3 center who's biggest weakness was his skating.

Despite this challenge, he achieved:

a) 50-59 assists per season during his 5-6 year prime
b) 83-95 points per season during his prime
c) Had a 36 goal season, so he could score too.
d) Scored nearly 1 PPG during his swan song with the Maple Leafs in '05

Jason Allison is one of the best playmaking centers of his generation.

I think it's a terrific comparison.

Just because you're too young to know who that is, doesn't mean my comparable is wrong.

If the choice is Allison because of skating then you are severely underrating Strome's skating. He is already a much better skater than Allison was in his prime.

Having watched Strome all year it would shock me if he was not injured. He is a much better player than he showed in the SSM series. And while by no means fast he is more mobile than it would seem if all you saw was the SSM games.

 

[hfdshdh]

Strome is dealing with an underlying factor that the public will find out about following the conclusion of the playoffs.

For those just tuning in now, Strome is not 100%, and judging him off a sample size as small as a playoff series is, to put it loosely, far-fetched.

Isn't he scoring at over a PPG anyway?

It's probably a good sign when a guy is scoring that much while playing with an injury and it's seen as some colossal disappointment.

 

[Future]

People are exaggerating his skating issues. He's not even a bad skater. He definitely hasn't been as quick in these playoffs though.

 

[hockeey]

People are exaggerating his skating issues. He's not even a bad skater. He definitely hasn't been as quick in these playoffs though.

I think people are mostly concerned that his skating is pretty poor for a person expected to go top 5. He has very average skating and a very low motor. I thought Draisaitl had a faster motor last year and he's improved his skating a ton too.

 

[Menzinger]

HF never stops to amaze me, ppl are on strome page just because he is likely a leafs target. i don't particularly love strome (i prefer hanifin or manner) but i can aknowledge that he is a great player, with some flaws like any 18 years old.

Definetly playing injured, so yes he is having an average playoffs (you know who else had bad playoffs ? malkin !! he is still a great player though)

It's ridiculous. Despite people repeatedly saying how "bad" his playoffs are, he's still putting up points.

Not to mention in the big picture, a single OHL playoff run is. A pretty small sample size - it's a good thing scouts watch these kids for a couple YEARS to inform their decision.

 

[TimeZone]

One thing I've noticed besides his obviously slower stride in the previous series is he's been falling A LOT. Has he always had such poor balance?

 

[Comic Book Guy*]

To start, taking a shot at my age is indicative of your own immaturity, isn't it?

I know Jason Allison very well. I liked him as a player. But his numbers are entirely irrelevant. He got phased out of the NHL because his skating was so damn bad. Never mind his 60 point season, that year had a lot of high point totals, a far cry from what we're seeing today. The highest total from this season wouldn't have cracked the top ten that year. The game is different from then, and it is certainly different from the mid 90s. Strome's skill-set, from my viewings, is better tailored for today than Allison's was, even at his best.

Strome's skating isn't nearly as bad as some suggest. He's not Guy Lafleur, but he is an effective skater for his own style of play. And I don't think his skating compares to Allison's.

Strome is a better skater than Allison was in terms of agility and top speed. Allison was stronger, but Strome could get there. But the point is that while he won't be winning races, he can keep up and get where he needs to go just fine. And his skating can improve with the right coaching. Just look at what Barb Underhill has done for some of her students.

Where I genuinely take issue is Josh Bailey as a likely comparison. Bailey is a disappointment to be polite. Hitting 40 points once is not good for a top ten prospect, and you're suggesting that a guy who will probably go fifth will end up like him? I don't agree at all.

You're limiting Strome's potential. To suggest his top end comparable is a guy who effectively played in a completely different era is unfair, to suggest his likely trajectory is comparable to a guy that had been a total bust is just silly in my opinion.

Could you be right? Absolutely! Could I eat a calculator and crap out some winning lottery numbers? Sure. I just feel like you have a bias against Strome that prevents a realistic analysis.

You just described Jason Allison.

Strome is Jason Allison 2.0

Whoever gets him will get a gem. Allison was amazing.

 

[tfong]

You just described Jason Allison.

Strome is Jason Allison 2.0

Whoever gets him will get a gem. Allison was amazing.

Allison was fine in the old NHL, not quite sure he would work as well in the new NHL. (See Cody Hodgson)

 

[kujo31]

This hate on Strome is so ridiculous, I think a good amount of it comes from the fact the Leafs may draft him so might as well jump on it early, then the other half is people just joining the trend and more then half of those ******** all over Strome probably don't know much about him really outside of HFboards.

Strome has average to above average skating, his top speed leaves a little to be desired but he also has a great ability to slow the game down. You don't have to like him more then Marner or Hanifin but to constantly try to discredit his accomplishments, I've never seen anything like it, it is all hype by these boards I haven't seen this anywhere else about Strome

 

[lanky]

There's a possibility that he gets drafted ahead of Marner and Hanifin. I think a lot of the fan boys of those incredible prospects feel the need to tear Strome down for that reason.

 

[BigBen]

Marner's top end: Daniel Briere

Marner's likely trajectory: Tyler Ennis

Marner's low end: Jordan Schroeder

Are you kidding? Ennis was slightly over a PPG in his draft year where Marner was at exactly 2 PPG. Marner is also 5"11, not close to the size of any player you're using for comparison.
Marner's top end could be P. Kane/ Giroux
His likely trajectory will be a two-way Eberle like player.
Low end would be Tyler Ennis.

 

[Anthony Mauro]

Strome has one of the lowest BMI's out of any of the top rated players, just above Carlo, Marner, and Chabot. This likely means his skating ability isn't settled and neither is the sum of his individual skills.

Don't think points are the be all, end all, and I do question his will to be dominant. He also has lineage going in his favor, along with the coveted blend of size and skill down the middle.

The fact that he's amassed his points quietly will stop him from being a slam dunk over guys like Hanifin and Barzal, but all the debate in the world won't take away from the fact that he has a very small window/range as a top pick.

 

[Future]

One thing I've noticed besides his obviously slower stride in the previous series is he's been falling A LOT. Has he always had such poor balance?

I think that has a lot to do with him not yet being physically mature. He's still pretty lanky and hasn't really developed that strength yet. His balance and skating will improve on its own as he grows into his body.

 

[Thebesthockey]

he should give 3/4 of his signing bonus to McD
overated

 

[ZeroPT*]

People are exaggerating his skating issues. He's not even a bad skater. He definitely hasn't been as quick in these playoffs though.

I think he's a horrendous skater. It's not only speed. His stride is choppy, his acceleration is below par, I don't find him very fluid,etc..

He certainly makes up for it with his outstanding size,vision and playmaking. I have him rated at 6. I wouldn't take him 3rd.

 

[kujo31]

I think he's a horrendous skater. It's not only speed. His stride is choppy, his acceleration is below par, I don't find him very fluid,etc..

He certainly makes up for it with his outstanding size,vision and playmaking. I have him rated at 6. I wouldn't take him 3rd.

redline has his skating rated A- and the next ones in their profile right up have his skating as average acceleration above average balance and edge work, so what NHL team do you work for or are you just talking out your ass like 90% of HFboards

 

[ZeroPT*]

redline has his skating rated A- and the next ones in their profile right up have his skating as average acceleration above average balance and edge work, so what NHL team do you work for or are you just talking out your ass like 90% of HFboards

I'm just "reporting" what I see. I don't see the need to get all defensive about it. I don't think he's a good skater. Redline does. It's as simple as that. Do they have more credibility than a guy who saw him live once and on internet streams? Yeah. For sure.

I see a player and I think he has weaknesses in his game. This is a message board for god sake.

 

[91Kadri91*]

redline has his skating rated A- and the next ones in their profile right up have his skating as average acceleration above average balance and edge work, so what NHL team do you work for or are you just talking out your ass like 90% of HFboards

They have Strome's skating as an A-, and Zacha's as a B? What games are they watching, and what are they on while they're watching them? I just don't see how they could possibly justify that.