I doubt it, maybe consensus 3rd overall, but not over Eichel even Marner is few inches taller.
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I doubt it, maybe consensus 3rd overall, but not over Eichel even Marner is few inches taller.
Cotton
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I don't understand the point of those "if he were 2 inches taller..."
Frame size literally impacts almost everything:
- strength on the puck and ability to protect it through physical pressure
- ability to drive wide of the player and protect the puck with reach
- front of the net battles
- wall possession and wall battles
- defensive zone space control through establishing a defensive radius with stick
- off the puck stick ability in causing turnovers
- the amount of space you take up when forechecking
- defending physical drives towards the middle
Heck I'm sure there's more. It's not that you're going to be good at those things just because you're big, but it is true that things being equal having the larger frame gives you all those advantages in various scenarios. Frame-size is a real and tangible asset, especially when it's applied, which in case of Eichel it clearly is. To say "if Marner were 2 inches bigger" is not any different than saying "if x player's hockey IQ would be 20% better". The point is, it's not there. That "if" statement doesn't minimize the size factor, because size is a tangible asset like hockey IQ is.
Frame size literally impacts almost everything:
- strength on the puck and ability to protect it through physical pressure
- ability to drive wide of the player and protect the puck with reach
- front of the net battles
- wall possession and wall battles
- defensive zone space control through establishing a defensive radius with stick
- off the puck stick ability in causing turnovers
- the amount of space you take up when forechecking
- defending physical drives towards the middle
Heck I'm sure there's more. It's not that you're going to be good at those things just because you're big, but it is true that things being equal having the larger frame gives you all those advantages in various scenarios. Frame-size is a real and tangible asset, especially when it's applied, which in case of Eichel it clearly is. To say "if Marner were 2 inches bigger" is not any different than saying "if x player's hockey IQ would be 20% better". The point is, it's not there. That "if" statement doesn't minimize the size factor, because size is a tangible asset like hockey IQ is.
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Size is a means of accomplishing greater physical feats, but if you don't have the sense to utilize these tools you struggle. IQ in Marners case allows him as a player to utilize his undersized frame to the best of his abilities. In a larger frame, in unison with having a strong work-ethic, drive and high IQ it isn't a large leap of faith to assume he puts in the extra training. His skating technique is great, in a larger frame he then needs the additional muscle to move the additional mass to reach par for him, he already has a good two-way game and with added size would be more of a force. He would be a better overall player.
In this odd hypothetical then yes, adding a few inches on Marner would inevitably lead to a superior player. Adding 20 IQ points to Strome would not make him a better players because his major flaw is getting from point A to point B, the additional IQ points might make him realize he needs help with his skating. But in either scenario Marner is only behind McDavid is pure skill.
Just so this doesn't continue to snowball, I was essentially saying for Leaf fans finding it hard to choose between the two to imagine they were both the same size, Marners skill and drive are > on Strome regardless of frame. They are both awesome prospects but I feel Strome is ranked to go 4th rather then say 6th because of his size advantage. For example look at where Crouse is ranked, or Provorov as compared to Hanifin despite that they are really close in talent.
I doubt anyone disagrees with that.
This is where I think people go off rails. And this isn't specific to Marner and Strome and their ranking. But there is absolutely NO reason at all to "imagine they were both the same size" because frame-size is a clear asset. You're essentially ignoring one asset for no good reason at all. It would not be any different than ignoring shot, or stickhandling, or skating or any other clear asset. That's all I was saying. The hypothetical "imagine if they were the same size" is a completely pointless statement, not different than saying in this specific scenario "imagine if Strome's skating was equal to Marner's" because it operates under the assumption that size isn't a tangible asset, when it clearly is one.
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I've watched both play 10+ times this year and feel Marner is great but would pick him at 4. Eichel is in another stratosphere then Marner. Eichel does everything Marner does but better.
Not only does he do it better but he does it faster.
Marner could even be bigger than Eichel and I woudn't consider Marner at 2. And I love Marner, have him at 3.
Marner could even be bigger than Eichel and I woudn't consider Marner at 2. And I love Marner, have him at 3.
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Not to mention, Nurse and McCann are up against Mcdavid. This guy is facing much lower comp and MIA this series
I thought that Strome showed a lack of speed in this series. These 2 teams are stacked with great prospects and the speed of their games is electric. Strome has a lot going for him but he is behind the play most of the time and cannot break clear due to lack of foot speed. Now speed is not the be all and end
all once in the offensive zone but up against big nhl D he will get a real test.
all once in the offensive zone but up against big nhl D he will get a real test.
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Just a weird post
As if no one above or below Toronto is bad and has holes in their roster. How else do you place in the bottom 5?
It will, without this recent stretch where he is most likely injured he would have probably been snagged by Arizona at 3. He still might be but who knows now. Leafs will probably end up picking Hanifin/Marner but any team drafting Strome is going to luck out big time.
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That was not implied in the comment at all. Your response came off as very defensive. I get it, fans take potshots at other teams, but that wasn't really going on in that comment. All I see is a statement of fact about the team in question.
