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C Dylan Strome (2015, 3rd, ARI; traded to CHI) III

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LiasAndersson said:
Can't comment on accuracy but LC while not elite, is probably better than a 'competent top 6 player'
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Hes only hit 60 points three in his career so far.

I really do not think that is out of the realm for Strome. His time in the NHL he has not really been given a great opportunity to succeed but when he was given more than 10-12 mins a night, he put up 8 points in 10 games to end the season with the Coyotes.
 
How about Derek Stepan? Stepan has never been the best skater or most mobile player. Dylan is bigger and has a better shot and Stepan is better defensively. But there are maybe some similarities in terms of having reasonably successful offensive production in the nhl despite modest mobility.
 
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Peasy said:
Hes only hit 60 points three in his career so far.

I really do not think that is out of the realm for Strome. His time in the NHL he has not really been given a great opportunity to succeed but when he was given more than 10-12 mins a night, he put up 8 points in 10 games to end the season with the Coyotes.
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I mean, it’s not super relevant to this discussion, but for the sake of accuracy and arbitrary cut-offs, the seasons he didn’t put up 60 points were: 56 points in 82 games (rookie season), 37 points in 48 games (lockout; 63 point pace), 54 points in 65 games (68 point pace), 36 points in 52 games (57 point pace in a season where he had two extremely unlucky major injuries; proceeded to have a historically good playoff run that season with 30 points in 24 games), and 52 points in 73 games (59 point pace).

Couture is as consistent at 60 point player as you can possibly get. And 60 points is first line production. Also, Strome and Couture are really not similar in any way.
 
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I think he will be fine. Look at Nylander, it took him 3 years to become a full time NHL player. There is no need to worry.
 
Jethlan said:
I think he will be fine. Look at Nylander, it took him 3 years to become a full time NHL player. There is no need to worry.
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Lol. No it didn't. Nylander was picked in 2014. He split the 14-15 season between Sweden and Marlies, and then split the 15-16 season between the Marlies and Leafs. He was full time in 16-17. So it was 1.5 seasons before he was in the NHL full time.
 
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Jethlan said:
I think he will be fine. Look at Nylander, it took him 3 years to become a full time NHL player. There is no need to worry.
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what? He was in the nhl his d+2 year after going PPG in the AHL as a 20 year old.

13 points in 22 games and
back to back 61 point seasons as a full time nhler.
 
Nylander is not a great comparison for the player or his potential best-case development path. A better (albeit extremely optimistic) comparable would be Ryan Johansen. The difference being Arizona’s willingness to let him go back to junior rather than struggle in the NHL. But their rookie AHL seasons could be compared.
 
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rt said:
Nylander is not a great comparison for the player of his potential best-case development path. A better (albeit extremely optimistic) comparable would be Ryan Johansen. The difference being Arizona’s willingness to let him go back to junior rather than struggle in the NHL. But their rookie AHL seasons could be compared.
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RyJO was my comparison for him 3 years ago.
 
If you're ever curious, check out how many centers scored at a PPG or better clip their AHL rookie season the last ten years or so. The list isn't that long. Strome should be fine if he gets a serious opportunity. Under Tippett, he couldn't buy consecutive games or get the right linemates. Excited to see what he can do in camp and the preseason after another summer of training.
 
XX said:
If you're ever curious, check out how many centers scored at a PPG or better clip their AHL rookie season the last ten years or so. The list isn't that long. Strome should be fine if he gets a serious opportunity. Under Tippett, he couldn't buy consecutive games or get the right linemates. Excited to see what he can do in camp and the preseason after another summer of training.
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The list isn't long, but not many elite centers played at all in the AHL (excluding guys there for the lockout year). Looking at guys who played their U-21 year in the AHL, the best players are pretty much guys who went on to be 1B/2A guys like Couture, Turris, Kadri, Brassard, Krejci, and Trocheck. The only legit number one to even play half a season down there since 2005/06 is Giroux (outside of RyJo, who was 19). When you look at the guys, most people would consider franchise cornerstone centers, almost all of them were in the full time by 20, partially due to almost all being high-picks who made it early on (such as Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, Seguin, MacKinnon, Barkov, McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, etc), even non-top 2 picks who became franchise cornerstone centers such as Scheifele, Bergeron, were on full-time NHL duty at 20.

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Now, this isn't to say Strome can't still become a true franchise cornerstone, but it would be a rare path for one. The only other top 5 center picks in recent memory who went down this path was his brother, who is a middle 6 guy at this point in his career and Kyle Turris who got yo-yo'd around.
 
93LEAFS said:
Now, this isn't to say Strome can't still become a true franchise cornerstone, but it would be a rare path for one. The only other top 5 center picks in recent memory who went down this path was his brother, who is a middle 6 guy at this point in his career and Kyle Turris who got yo-yo'd around.
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Dylam Strome could have had 30 something points the last 2 years in the NHL but instead the team chose to not rush him. They had the option of sending him back to the OHL to help Erie win a championship and play in the Memorial Cup. They had the option of sending him down to be the 1C in Tucson. Dylan Strome's trajectory is perfectly fine.

"Top 5 center picks" is such an arbitrary, meaningless cut off.
 
I actually expect a good year from Strome. I think they did good by him taking the patient approach. Dvorak sounds healthy as well, so all those young guys should be turning the corner now. Think they gave up on Domi too soon though. Good luck this year.
 
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XX said:
Dylam Strome could have had 30 something points the last 2 years in the NHL but instead the team chose to not rush him. They had the option of sending him back to the OHL to help Erie win a championship and play in the Memorial Cup. They had the option of sending him down to be the 1C in Tucson. Dylan Strome's trajectory is perfectly fine.

"Top 5 center picks" is such an arbitrary, meaningless cut off.
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My point was, for him to live up to anything close to the expectations of him pre-draft, he will have travelled a path that is not common for franchise cornerstone centers. The only guy who became an elite center who spent a decent amount of time in the AHL post junior eligibility is Giroux. Getzlaf was called up after 17 games, and I'll ignore the guys who were down their for just NHL lockouts like Bergeron, E. Staal, and Spezza.

Right now, the best centers who were there at 20, are Trocheck, Couture, Turris, Brassard, and Kadri. All good players, but not players I would want to build around as my projected #1 center.
 
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93LEAFS said:
Right now, the best centers who were there at 20, are Trocheck, Couture, Turris, Brassard, and Kadri. All good players, but not players I would want to build around as my projected #1 center.
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Johansen’s D+3 season saw him splitting time in the AHL and NHL, not unlike Strome this last season. The difference being the Jackets let Johansen struggle in a limited role in the NHL in his D+2, whereas Arizona sent Strome back to junior. Apart from that, their 3rd years after draft were similar.

I would say Johansen, Trochek, Couture, Turris, Brassard and Kadri is about the range of player quality I’d be hoping for from Strome at this point. Somewhere in that mix. Maybe ahead of some and behind others.

While that would certainly be behind lofty draft day projections, it’s an acceptable outcome, all things considered. At this point, I’d be relieved if he ended up in that group.
 
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rt said:
Johansen’s D+3 season saw him splitting time in the AHL and NHL, not unlike Strome this last season. The difference being the Jackets let Johansen struggle in a limited role in the NHL in his D+2, whereas Arizona sent Strome back to junior. Apart from that, their 3rd years after draft were similar.

I would say Johansen, Trochek, Couture, Turris, Brassard and Kadri is about the range of player quality I’d be hoping for from Strome at this point. Somewhere in that mix. Maybe ahead of some and behind others.

While that would certainly be behind lofty draft day projections, it’s an acceptable outcome, all things considered. At this point, I’d be relieved if he ended up in that group.
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Johansen was only in the AHL due to the lockout. Similar to Taylor Hall and RNH that year.
 
I really hope he can make it next (this upcoming) season, dude has tons of potential
even a blind person can see that, can he ultimately dip into that potential is a different matter.
 
93LEAFS said:
Johansen was only in the AHL due to the lockout. Similar to Taylor Hall and RNH that year.
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Not really relevant. You want to look at how a player performs in their first pro season, and usually their first season against men. Every player is different and running their own race. I don't see anything unusual or out of place with Strome. I said he needed to be 200lb+ with his frame the moment he was drafted and he is finally at that weight. He needed to get his skating up to where he wasn't left out of the play and he has done that. Hell, he may be even faster this coming camp.

The cap pressures of needing cheap production ASAP and the instant returns on some star players has created an unrealistic expectation for everybody else.
 
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Think he'll establish himself as an NHLer (finally) this season. Could see him getting around 50 pts if the Yotes have a decent year.
 
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anyone followed this kid during his draft year? was he really a top 3 pick? he did have Connor as a linemate, but looking at it now in hindsight my gawd. a far cry from what you expect from a 3rd pick.
 
lawrence said:
anyone followed this kid during his draft year? was he really a top 3 pick? he did have Connor as a linemate, but looking at it now in hindsight my gawd. a far cry from what you expect from a 3rd pick.
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McDavid effect was real. Burakovsky has turned out to be nothing special either. He will be traded or not qualified by the Caps.
 
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