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C Connor McDavid - Erie Otters, OHL (2015 Draft) VI

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FDBluth said:
McDavid is unreal. Wow. I really want to be hesitant in my praise of him, but he might be a better prospect than Crosby was. He creates a chance nearly every shift he's on the ice. He's on an exponentially increasing development curve right now. The hands, vision, speed are all absolutely top-notch.
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nah crosby was the better prospect he played with less talent around him and put up monster numbers. He was the best player in the chl for the two years he was their. I can easily rank him as the 3rd best prospect to come since Mario after sid, and lindros. He will be an elite talent for sure, and has a good chance to be posting a couple of 120ish points in his prime. If he can avoid injuries than he has a chance to become better than sid. He will be on a much more offensively stacked team.
 
hamzarocks said:
nah crosby was the better prospect he played with less talent around him and put up monster numbers. He was the best player in the chl for the two years he was their. I can easily rank him as the 3rd best prospect to come since Mario after sid, and lindros. He will be an elite talent for sure, and has a good chance to be posting a couple of 120ish points in his prime. If he can avoid injuries than he has a chance to become better than sid. He will be on a much more offensively stacked team.
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Didn't Crosby's team go to the Mem. Cup in his draft eligible year? I think he had a really good team around him, actually, unless my memory is wrong.
 
hamzarocks said:
nah crosby was the better prospect he played with less talent around him and put up monster numbers. He was the best player in the chl for the two years he was their. I can easily rank him as the 3rd best prospect to come since Mario after sid, and lindros. He will be an elite talent for sure, and has a good chance to be posting a couple of 120ish points in his prime. If he can avoid injuries than he has a chance to become better than sid. He will be on a much more offensively stacked team.
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Crosby certainly had a better CHL career, but McDavid's development trajectory is shooting up like crazy right now. He still has so much potential, whereas Crosby was essentially fully developed (minus a shot) by the time he got the league.

This coming from one of the biggest Crosby fans you'll see.
 
KarmaPolice said:
Didn't Crosby's team go to the Mem. Cup in his draft eligible year? I think he had a really good team around him, actually, unless my memory is wrong.
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his team was full of busts in terms of nhl production. He was an elite player who helped his two line mates get around 120 points in his draft year. Before crosby came on of his linemates was a 35 point player who was drafted 7th round, after two seasons with sid he had back to back 115 point plus seasons which resulted in him being drafted 2nd round. The other linemate was marc-antoine-pouliot the 23rd pick from the 2003 draft. He was a massive bust for edmonton. He only produced so good due to him playing with sid, once he went to the ahl he never regained his scoring. Also mcdavid has a top 5 pick playing along side him as well as a potential top 15 pick in next years draft. As well as baptiste a recent high pick by the sabres who is a more gifted player than any player sid played with. Honestly i see sid as the sole reason that team advanced so deep, without him they are 2nd round exit at best.
 
hamzarocks said:
his team was full of busts in terms of nhl production. He was an elite player who helped his two line mates get around 120 points in his draft year. Before crosby came on of his linemates was a 35 point player who was drafted 7th round, after two seasons with sid he had back to back 115 point plus seasons which resulted in him being drafted 2nd round. The other linemate was marc-antoine-pouliot the 23rd pick from the 2003 draft. He was a massive bust for edmonton. He only produced so good due to him playing with sid, once he went to the ahl he never regained his scoring. Also mcdavid has a top 5 pick playing along side him as well as a potential top 15 pick in next years draft. As well as baptiste a recent high pick by the sabres who is a more gifted player than any player sid played with. Honestly i see sid as the sole reason that team advanced so deep, without him they are 2nd round exit at best.
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The players on the Otter could bust too. Cant say that Crosbys linemates were all bad, but Mcdavids are all going to be solid NHLers, because it hasnt happened yet

MAP at one time too was considered a cant miss prospect
 
hamzarocks said:
his team was full of busts in terms of nhl production. He was an elite player who helped his two line mates get around 120 points in his draft year. Before crosby came on of his linemates was a 35 point player who was drafted 7th round, after two seasons with sid he had back to back 115 point plus seasons which resulted in him being drafted 2nd round. The other linemate was marc-antoine-pouliot the 23rd pick from the 2003 draft. He was a massive bust for edmonton. He only produced so good due to him playing with sid, once he went to the ahl he never regained his scoring. Also mcdavid has a top 5 pick playing along side him as well as a potential top 15 pick in next years draft. As well as baptiste a recent high pick by the sabres who is a more gifted player than any player sid played with. Honestly i see sid as the sole reason that team advanced so deep, without him they are 2nd round exit at best.
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There's no guarantees that any of McDavid's team mates will be NHLers, as well. But okay, I don't feel like arguing about it.
 
topchowda said:
The players on the Otter could bust too. Cant say that Crosbys linemates were all bad, but Mcdavids are all going to be solid NHLers, because it hasnt happened yet

MAP at one time too was considered a cant miss prospect
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Regardless of MAP's NHL production, he was a very good junior player in the Q, and was a pretty dominant player and scorer--even before playing with Crosby, and was very highly regarded in his draft year. He was one of the very few busts in his draft class. So yeah, I don't agree with his assessment.
 
hamzarocks said:
his team was full of busts in terms of nhl production. He was an elite player who helped his two line mates get around 120 points in his draft year. Before crosby came on of his linemates was a 35 point player who was drafted 7th round, after two seasons with sid he had back to back 115 point plus seasons which resulted in him being drafted 2nd round. The other linemate was marc-antoine-pouliot the 23rd pick from the 2003 draft. He was a massive bust for edmonton. He only produced so good due to him playing with sid, once he went to the ahl he never regained his scoring. Also mcdavid has a top 5 pick playing behind him as well as a potential top 15 pick in next years draft. As well as baptiste a recent high pick by the sabres who is a more gifted player than any player sid played with. Honestly i see sid as the sole reason that team advanced so deep, without him they are 2nd round exit at best.
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Fixed, and McDavid has points on 13 of Erie's 19 goals in the series, meaning he accounts for over 2/3rds of Erie's offense. Not to mention McDavid is visibly on another level than Strome, as well as statistically.

And despite these talented linemates, neither one of them has as many points as McDavid has goals, or assists.
 
FDBluth said:
Crosby certainly had a better CHL career, but McDavid's development trajectory is shooting up like crazy right now. He still has so much potential, whereas Crosby was essentially fully developed (minus a shot) by the time he got the league.

This coming from one of the biggest Crosby fans you'll see.
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its nice to see another crosby fan. I will say that i dont really understand what you mean that mcdavid has so much potential left. I mean he is already an elite skater, elite passer, has elite hands, and is very good on the boards. He also has a great shot. He is already great at these things i think that his potential is pretty set in stone, which is the fact that if he reaches his full potential he is a more healthy and bit better sid. I dont know if he will become that good. He will be in a great situation though, I think the oilers will be great for mcdavid as he will have other elite talent beside him that will help take pressure off of him during games. It will be an incredible season next year. I dont think he hit 100 points as a rookie but i can see him getting around 85ish points. Which would be very elite even if the nhl scoring goes back to normal. He is the best rookie to come out since sid, i always thought that no one was going to be better and more hyped than taveres but Mcdavid is on another level as a prospect. He will win ROY pretty easily in my opinon
 
MattAndTrey said:
Fixed, and McDavid has points on 13 of Erie's 19 goals in the series, meaning he accounts for over 2/3rds of Erie's offense. Not to mention McDavid is visibly on another level than Strome, as well as statistically.

And despite these talented linemates, neither one of them has as many points as McDavid has goals, or assists.
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yeah im not saying that mcdavid isnt the best player in the chl or anything like that. I agree that he is an elite talent. I dont agree with the term generational because i dont see sid as generation either. I think their have only been a few of those in mario, wayne, and bobby. I was just saying that strome and debrincat, and baptiste was a better supporting cast than sids, but i can see your argument. I agree that what Mcdavid is doing in the playoffs is pretty amazing stuff.
 
hamzarocks said:
its nice to see another crosby fan. I will say that i dont really understand what you mean that mcdavid has so much potential left. I mean he is already an elite skater, elite passer, has elite hands, and is very good on the boards. He also has a great shot. He is already great at these things i think that his potential is pretty set in stone, which is the fact that if he reaches his full potential he is a more healthy and bit better sid. I dont know if he will become that good. He will be in a great situation though, I think the oilers will be great for mcdavid as he will have other elite talent beside him that will help take pressure off of him during games. It will be an incredible season next year. I dont think he hit 100 points as a rookie but i can see him getting around 85ish points. Which would be very elite even if the nhl scoring goes back to normal. He is the best rookie to come out since sid, i always thought that no one was going to be better and more hyped than taveres but Mcdavid is on another level as a prospect. He will win ROY pretty easily in my opinon
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McDavid will get 85 points in his prime playing with Edmonton, IMO. I think Patrick Kane numbers would be optimal for his rookie year.

Scoring is waaayy down league wide now as opposed to a decade ago post-lockout. Also, the East is far more wide and open...even today.
 
McDavidFanWagon said:
McDavid will get 85 points in his prime playing with Edmonton, IMO. I think Patrick Kane numbers would be optimal for his rookie year.

Scoring is waaayy down league wide now as opposed to a decade ago post-lockout. Also, the East is far more wide and open...even today.
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85 points in his prime? LOL that would be a disaster. 85 points is likely what he will put up next season. Scoring down or not he will have 100+ point seasons. He is destroying the OHL. 5 goals night, 7 goals in 3 games and then a 4 assist night. He is not scoring less than 80 points next season unless you tie one hand behind his back.
 
McDavidFanWagon said:
McDavid will get 85 points in his prime playing with Edmonton, IMO. I think Patrick Kane numbers would be optimal for his rookie year.

Scoring is waaayy down league wide now as opposed to a decade ago post-lockout. Also, the East is far more wide and open...even today.
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You do know Taylor Hall got 80 points in 2013-14, right? 85 points is selling McDavid way short.
 
If McDavid is as good as Crosby does that mean whoever he's lined up with with ,hall,yakupov, or eberle are in for monster years point wise? Will he help Shultz put up Letang like numbers,lol. Interesting time to be an oil fan.
 
illpucks said:
85 points in his prime? LOL that would be a disaster. 85 points is likely what he will put up next season. Scoring down or not he will have 100+ point seasons. He is destroying the OHL. 5 goals night, 7 goals in 3 games and then a 4 assist night. He is not scoring less than 80 points next season unless you tie one hand behind his back.
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Good to know hes already as good offensively as John Tavares....

I mean he's good but come on nobody in the NHL broke 90 points.
 
McDavidFanWagon said:
McDavid will get 85 points in his prime playing with Edmonton, IMO. I think Patrick Kane numbers would be optimal for his rookie year.

Scoring is waaayy down league wide now as opposed to a decade ago post-lockout. Also, the East is far more wide and open...even today.
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I don't know about that. Yes, this year nobody exceeded 87 points, but . For the past 4 seasons average goals per game have been very flat/stable in the NHL, this year the top players just didn't have standout seasons, so there wasn't that player or two around 100 points. If scoring stays the same through McDavid's career, with 85 points getting you roughly 3rd-5th in the NHL, I think McDavid will still be hitting 100+ decently often.

He's looking Crosby-level good, and last year a (slightly past prime, in my opinion) Crosby put up 104 points, while Getzlaf came second with 87. Crosby's had plenty of injuries that have hurt his totals many years, but it hasn't been uncommon for him to score at a pace 10-15% above the next best in the league, and I can see McDavid do the same.

Now, if scoring keeps declining, and 70 points gets you close to a scoring title, then McDavid won't be hitting 100+, but if that's the case then the league will really need some rule changes anyways!
 
illpucks said:
85 points in his prime? LOL that would be a disaster. 85 points is likely what he will put up next season. Scoring down or not he will have 100+ point seasons. He is destroying the OHL. 5 goals night, 7 goals in 3 games and then a 4 assist night. He is not scoring less than 80 points next season unless you tie one hand behind his back.
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Although I do see him putting up 100+ point seasons in his prime (assuming similar scoring to today), I don't think he'll easily score 80 next season. That's a lot for a rookie in today's low scoring league, even a rookie as phenomenal as McDavid.
 
70 is a reasonable expectation the way scoring is going, and if he gets that he meets expectations in my opinion. That should be good for top 10 in the league.
 
Plastic Joseph said:
Good to know hes already as good offensively as John Tavares....

I mean he's good but come on nobody in the NHL broke 90 points.
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ponder said:
Although I do see him putting up 100+ point seasons in his prime (assuming similar scoring to today), I don't think he'll easily score 80 next season. That's a lot for a rookie in today's low scoring league, even a rookie as phenomenal as McDavid.
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Honestly his OHL progression was
PPG
1.5 PPG
2.5 PPG+

He is going to put up PPG in the NHL 1st year.

2.5 is impossible with the current scoring but I wouldn't rule out a 1.8 PPG peak season.
 
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