C Connor McDavid - Erie Otters, OHL (2015 Draft) V

[Passchendaele]

Crosby averaged 2.71 PPG in a league that averaged 6.38 GPG
McDavid is currently averaging 2.56 PPG in a league that is averaging 6.98 GPG

It's incredible just how good Crosby was as a jr. He was a step above McDavid.

 

[helicecopter]

Oh Captain my captain. I think from here he goes into beast mode, but ultimately Erie will lose in the OHL semi-final to the Greyhounds. I only hope it's in time to hop on a plane and zip off to Europe for one more head to head with Jack before the draft.

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Eichel is not eligible to play at the U18 in April, if that's what you meant

 

[1Gold Standard]

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Eichel is not eligible to play at the U18 in April, if that's what you meant

I meant the WHC beginning May 1. USAH regularly takes 1 or 2 collegiate players and Hockey Canada has taken undrafted players (Murray) or collegiate players (Towes) to the WHC before.

Even if McDavid were to be available for the U18 in mid April, HC would not send him there anyway, as they have this stupid graduation policy. i.e. in HC's bizzaro world, McDavid is already a U20 player and playing an U18 event serves no purpose.

 

[helicecopter]

ahh, in Prague.. that would be something

 

[Bill Waters*]

All I know is: he'll look good on Peter Holland's wing!

 

[Sid82]

he's gonna reach dvorak for sure, perhaps also strome, but not marner...

 

[Beesfan]

Crosby averaged 2.71 PPG in a league that averaged 6.38 GPG
McDavid is currently averaging 2.56 PPG in a league that is averaging 6.98 GPG

It's incredible just how good Crosby was as a jr. He was a step above McDavid.

And Crosby was approximately 8 months younger, which is a real age difference, not the phony age difference (2.5 months) between Eichel and McDavid.

 

[Team Cozens]

All I know is: he'll look good on Peter Holland's wing!

LOL !!!!

Evander Kane - Connor McDavid - Sam Reinhart

 

[Spade]

Even if McDavid were to be available for the U18 in mid April, HC would not send him there anyway, as they have this stupid graduation policy. i.e. in HC's bizzaro world, McDavid is already a U20 player and playing an U18 event serves no purpose.

In terms of development then it really doesn't serve any purpose. McDavid gains nothing from the U18s now, and he's better off avoiding it since it's just as much an injury risk as a more high-profile event, but without the benefits.

They aren't about sending the best 18 year olds. They're about developing their players so that when big time international events come around like the Olympics and World Championships, Canada has the bets possible talent pool to choose from.

McDavid dominating kids his age will do nothing to make him a better player, and could conceivably even make him worse if he develops a bad habit or gets injured.

 

[FDBluth]

How can there be no highlights anywhere of his game last night? The OHL website has highlights of other games but not that one. You'd think that would be the first highlights they'd put up. Nothing on the Erie website either.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

asking objective questions on this site and expecting an objective answer in return? That's rich!! may as well as third graders their views on wormholes. The mathematician has previously stated he watches a significant amount of CHL, so maybe he should tune into a few more Erie games in between his busy sched and time dedicated to this site and draw his own conclusions as to the level of McDavid's play post WJHC. seems to me that would be a better plan than relying on HF posters. The only useful info one can glean from HF are injury updates and pending suspensions...everything else I can come with on my own by watching and ignoring the subjective gobbledygook.

I can't watch every game for every prospect, especially a known quantity like McDavid. Those games aren't cheap, and there are other players I like to track.

Like most on here, I rely on these boards to help provide further info that my limited viewings cannot. I don't see why that's an issue, or why so many people feel the need to assassinate my character.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I can't watch every game for every prospect, especially a known quantity like McDavid. Those games aren't cheap, and there are other players I like to track.

Like most on here, I rely on these boards to help provide further info that my limited viewings cannot. I don't see why that's an issue, or why so many people feel the need to assassinate my character.

who's assassinating your character? not me. Seems to me you have opinions on all prospects and made quite the kafuffle in another thread of how those opinions are backed up with multiple viewings .....so, you have the time and wherewithal to view a large amount of CHL games; and since the level of McDavid's play post WJHC seems to be of such interest to you, I think a better course of action would be to watch for yourself and draw your own conclusions 1st. hand instead of HF.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

who's assassinating your character? not me. Seems to me you have opinions on all prospects and made quite the kafuffle in another thread of how those opinions are backed up with multiple viewings .....so, you have the time and wherewithal to view a large amount of CHL games; and since the level of McDavid's play post WJHC seems to be of such interest to you, I think a better course of action would be to watch for yourself and draw your own conclusions 1st. hand instead of HF.

Seems to me that you have problems with people asking questions about your golden child. I get it, you think I'm a McDavid hater. As others have mentioned, I am nothing of the sort, you can check my post history. I'm a big fan of the kid. Which is why I am asking questions to begin with.

But you're right, I should just drop everything and watch only Erie games the rest of the season.

 

[1Gold Standard]

In terms of development then it really doesn't serve any purpose. McDavid gains nothing from the U18s now, and he's better off avoiding it since it's just as much an injury risk as a more high-profile event, but without the benefits.

They aren't about sending the best 18 year olds. They're about developing their players so that when big time international events come around like the Olympics and World Championships, Canada has the bets possible talent pool to choose from.

McDavid dominating kids his age will do nothing to make him a better player, and could conceivably even make him worse if he develops a bad habit or gets injured.

With regards to McDavid playing another U18 tourney, I agree with you, not much use to it other than my enjoyment of watching him manhandle another U18 tournament... but that aside, my characterization of it as a stupid HC rule has nothing to do with McDavid, but the application of it across the board to include all U18 players who have "graduated" to U20. i.e. a player like Crouse can benefit greatly from playing in a U18 tournament even though he has played a U20 tournament. Hockey Canada needs to be more flexible and take a player by player approach to development.

 

[Woodhouse]

How can there be no highlights anywhere of his game last night? The OHL website has highlights of other games but not that one. You'd think that would be the first highlights they'd put up. Nothing on the Erie website either.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Dat speed on the first goal . . .

 

[X66]

Crosby averaged 2.71 PPG in a league that averaged 6.38 GPG
McDavid is currently averaging 2.56 PPG in a league that is averaging 6.98 GPG

It's incredible just how good Crosby was as a jr. He was a step above McDavid.

I wouldn't say step above at all.

Different teams and different circumstances.

Rimouski had 3 prolific scorers on their team, as opposed to just 2 on Erie. There is also McDavid's injury to factor in and the fact that they actually play in a different 'era', despite being relatively close in age.

Even a rusty McDavid put up better numbers in the same year of development than Crosby at the WJC.

I'm not going to say one player is above the other, I think they're in the same tier of talent at the same age.

 

[authentic]

Crosby averaged 2.71 PPG in a league that averaged 6.38 GPG
McDavid is currently averaging 2.56 PPG in a league that is averaging 6.98 GPG

It's incredible just how good Crosby was as a jr. He was a step above McDavid.

This just goes to show expecting McDavid to be on Crosby's level in the NHL is a little far fetched.

 

[umwoz]

Crosby averaged 2.71 PPG in a league that averaged 6.38 GPG
McDavid is currently averaging 2.56 PPG in a league that is averaging 6.98 GPG

It's incredible just how good Crosby was as a jr. He was a step above McDavid.

This is a little deceiving. The OHL consistently produces more draftees, the quality of competition is higher.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

This is a little deceiving. The OHL consistently produces more draftees, the quality of competition is higher.

Crosby tore apart Ottawa and Kelowna at the Mem cup. And he gave London all they could handle in the first game. I'm fairly confident that he puts up those numbers regardless of what league he is playing in.

McDavid is probably a step below Sid at this point, but I do think he has the higher ceiling. He's a better skater and has better hands than Sid at 17. But right now, he lacks the strength and awareness around the net that made Crosby so dangerous. If he continues to develop physically, and works on his timing around the net, he could potentially be a more dominant NHLer than Sid.

 

[Travis093]

And Crosby was approximately 8 months younger, which is a real age difference, not the phony age difference (2.5 months) between Eichel and McDavid.

According to what I just read, McDavid is born in January, whereas Crosby is born in August. Which means with the same draft rules that Crosby was very old for his draft year and McDavid was young

 

[TheNuge]

Crosby averaged 2.71 PPG in a league that averaged 6.38 GPG
McDavid is currently averaging 2.56 PPG in a league that is averaging 6.98 GPG

It's incredible just how good Crosby was as a jr. He was a step above McDavid.

Systems within the game have changed in the decade since.....I wouldn't say he was a step above at all..

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

According to what I just read, McDavid is born in January, whereas Crosby is born in August. Which means with the same draft rules that Crosby was very old for his draft year and McDavid was young

You have it backwards. Crosby was very young for his draft year. Had he been born 40 days later he'd be drafted in 2006

 

[umwoz]

Crosby tore apart Ottawa and Kelowna at the Mem cup. And he gave London all they could handle in the first game. I'm fairly confident that he puts up those numbers regardless of what league he is playing in.

Nothing personal but you being "fairly confident" about something doesn't make it so. His memorial cup numbers were impressive, but a 4 game sample against the OHL doesn't convince me much about what his production as a whole would be.

Without even picking a side or saying anything about the players.... I stand by my stance that being .15 higher in points per game in a league with a lower competition level 10 years earlier isn't enough to tell me a player is "a step above".

 

[Paxon]

According to what I just read, McDavid is born in January, whereas Crosby is born in August. Which means with the same draft rules that Crosby was very old for his draft year and McDavid was young

The cutoff is something like September 10th so that actually makes him very young for his class whereas McDavid is a bit on the older side of the middle.