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C Connor McDavid - Erie Otters, OHL (2015 Draft) IV

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McDavis is certainly a hot prospect, but it seems to me he isn't being hyped as much as other top properties were in recent years.
 
lifeisruff said:
If Bettman were to rig this, it would go to Phoenix/Florida/Seattle.
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If we're on the subject of drafts being rigged, then it works very strong in Buffaloes favor.

They put 12k in The arena last night, hundreds of which bought mcdavid t-shirts, jerseys and autographed pucks. Add to it the appeal harbor center will have now and already being a top 3 US TV market for hockey, that's a perfect storm a brewing.

If we're thinking the lottery is rigged of course ...
 
daver said:
Debatable since Crosby was 6 months younger with one less CHL season under is belt when he put up 168 (assuming same amount of games played). I think Crosby's draft eligible is comparable to Mario's all things considered.
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Agree to an extent. But if Mcdavid scores 180 points that will definitely warrant a discussion on who the better draft eligible prospect was - Mcdavid or Crosby. Right now, its still Sid, but the gap is closing.
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
Agree to an extent. But if Mcdavid scores 180 points that will definitely warrant a discussion on who the better draft eligible prospect was - Mcdavid or Crosby. Right now, its still Sid, but the gap is closing.
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Mcdavid is so good, he passes the puck to the person who has the most options. He thinks for his line-mates. The term "makes his line-mates better" applies to the guys who mentally already see things before they happen. Like chess, he knows his next move and the move his linemates gonna make. In 15 years he will be held up there with the greatest of all time, main reason is the mind is lethal. Processing the game mentally as fast as his hands and feet move. Some guys have fast feet and hands and the mind is slow and its a huge obstacle. He will out-think what ever u throw at him. This trend has been happening since Day 1 with him. Geez the pressure he must feel at times and deal with it. Big kudos to the young man. #1 in the draft is a wrap. Eichel does not have Mcdavid's mind. In the NHL so many guys have the same skill but the greatest player in the NHL, always has the greatest mind. The greatest hockey mind in the 2015 NHL draft is Mcdavid.
 
I'm just gonna come out and say it. He could be the next Crosby. He could even be better.

We put Crosby on a pedestal (and rightfully so) but if someone's going to come along and dethrone him, it's someone like McDavid.
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
Agree to an extent. But if Mcdavid scores 180 points that will definitely warrant a discussion on who the better draft eligible prospect was - Mcdavid or Crosby. Right now, its still Sid, but the gap is closing.
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While it has been an amazing 10 games, it has only been 10 games.. I think Mantha was also at about 3pts/game at this point last year as well. He has a longggg way to go before he closes the gap with Crosby.

SidGenoMario said:
With the way Sid's been performing post-concussion, I'd be shocked if this kid doesn't have a better career tbqh
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He just won the Art Ross (by quite a bit) and the Hart.. I think Crosby has been performing just fine.

Man some people have short term memory loss around here.
 
nbwingsfan said:
While it has been an amazing 10 games, it has only been 10 games.. I think Mantha was also at about 3pts/game at this point last year as well. He has a longggg way to go before he closes the gap with Crosby.
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I've already recognized the sample size on several occasions. I don't see anyone expecting 180 points. But if he does indeed hit 180 points, do you disagree that he would have to be considered the better prospect than Tavares? And maybe be about even with Crosby? If not, what would he have to do in your eyes to get to that level?
 
nbwingsfan said:
He just won the Art Ross (by quite a bit) and the Hart.. I think Crosby has been performing just fine.

Man some people have short term memory loss around here.
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You must have only started watching hockey in the past 2-3 years then. Because Crosby now is a noticeable step down from where he was pre-concussion.

The year of the concussion he had just come off a Rocket Richard season, and was on pace for 65 goals/135 points at the 40 game mark. It was by far his best start ever, and he was absolutely destroying the league. Having put the high ankle sprain behind him it looked like he'd taken his game to the next level, especially his goal scoring. Since then he's still been great, but he's been "just" the best player in the league, his game is less aggressive, he's scoring less, and he's had three mediocre playoffs (by his standards).

Very few players ever recover completely from a significant concussion, let alone after missing more than an entire year. All the time off, never mind the brain damage, never mind the psychological effect of trying to avoid taking a big hit, is just a huge setback for such a finely tuned elite athlete.

I think Crosby would have been able to put up a string of several 50+ goal, 120+ point seasons had he stayed healthy. I don't know if McDavid will surpass that, but I can definitely see him scoring 40+ goals and 110+ points every year, beating everyone not named Crosby by 20 points in the scoring race.
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
I've already recognized the sample size on several occasions. I don't see anyone expecting 180 points. But if he does indeed hit 180 points, do you disagree that he would have to be considered the better prospect than Tavares? And maybe be about even with Crosby? If not, what would he have to do in your eyes to get to that level?
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I already stated that if he gets 180 points (He wont) then yes he would be right up there with Crosby. I think the more realistic expectation, assuming 55 or so games played, is right around 120-130 points.
 
Semantics said:
You must have only started watching hockey in the past 2-3 years then. Because Crosby now is a noticeable step down from where he was pre-concussion.

The year of the concussion he had just come off a Rocket Richard season, and was on pace for 65 goals/135 points at the 40 game mark. It was by far his best start ever, and he was absolutely destroying the league. Having put the high ankle sprain behind him it looked like he'd taken his game to the next level, especially his goal scoring. Since then he's still been great, but he's been "just" the best player in the league, his game is less aggressive, he's scoring less, and he's had three mediocre playoffs (by his standards).

Very few players ever recover completely from a significant concussion, let alone after missing more than an entire year. All the time off, never mind the brain damage, never mind the psychological effect of trying to avoid taking a big hit, is just a huge setback for such a finely tuned elite athlete.

I think Crosby would have been able to put up a string of several 50+ goal, 120+ point seasons had he stayed healthy. I don't know if McDavid will surpass that, but I can definitely see him scoring 40+ goals and 110+ points every year, beating everyone not named Crosby by 20 points in the scoring race.
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Or hes getting older and rounding out his game? What Crosby did over 40 games does not mean he would have kept up that pace at all. This is why using the "on pace for" argument is weak.

Maybe you don't know how hockey works? He just scored 104 points when no one else even got 90.

He was 17 points ahead of second place.. that isn't a small number.
 
nbwingsfan said:
Or hes getting older and rounding out his game? What Crosby did over 40 games does not mean he would have kept up that pace at all. This is why using the "on pace for" argument is weak.

Maybe you don't know how hockey works? He just scored 104 points when no one else even got 90.

He was 17 points ahead of second place.. that isn't a small number.
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this is true but a few star players were hurt, if they were healthy that would have lessened the gap that sid has from him to #2 in scoring
 
nbwingsfan said:
I already stated that if he gets 180 points (He wont) then yes he would be right up there with Crosby. I think the more realistic expectation, assuming 55 or so games played, is right around 120-130 points.
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55 GP x 2.9 PPG = 159.5 points or if you believe he'll drop a little:

55 GP x 2.5 PPG = 137.5 points


doubt he drops below 2.5 with the way hes playing IMO.
 
TanksPavs said:
55 GP x 2.9 PPG = 159.5 points or if you believe he'll drop a little:

55 GP x 2.5 PPG = 137.5 points


doubt he drops below 2.5 with the way hes playing IMO.
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In order to believe he will only score 120 points you'd have to believe that he will score at only 2.0 ppg pace for his final 45 games. I can't believe that he'd drop off to thylat extent.
 
Semantics said:
You must have only started watching hockey in the past 2-3 years then. Because Crosby now is a noticeable step down from where he was pre-concussion.

The year of the concussion he had just come off a Rocket Richard season, and was on pace for 65 goals/135 points at the 40 game mark. It was by far his best start ever, and he was absolutely destroying the league. Having put the high ankle sprain behind him it looked like he'd taken his game to the next level, especially his goal scoring. Since then he's still been great, but he's been "just" the best player in the league, his game is less aggressive, he's scoring less, and he's had three mediocre playoffs (by his standards).

Very few players ever recover completely from a significant concussion, let alone after missing more than an entire year. All the time off, never mind the brain damage, never mind the psychological effect of trying to avoid taking a big hit, is just a huge setback for such a finely tuned elite athlete.

I think Crosby would have been able to put up a string of several 50+ goal, 120+ point seasons had he stayed healthy. I don't know if McDavid will surpass that, but I can definitely see him scoring 40+ goals and 110+ points every year, beating everyone not named Crosby by 20 points in the scoring race.
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Yup, nailed it. Crosby hasn't been the same since his concussion, I'd say it's quite likely McDavid ends up being better than current Sid. The current Sid wouldn't put up 168 points in his 2nd year of junior since those are 2 different players. For the record, anyone that thinks Sid wouldn't keep up his 2010-11 pace is wrong. Sid was simply flying then, and he was a different hockey player than he is today.
 
McDavid gets a SH EN goal to seal a 6-4 Erie win over SSM (western conference showdown), his only point of the night.
 
Kranix said:
McDavis is certainly a hot prospect, but it seems to me he isn't being hyped as much as other top properties were in recent years.
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I think he's being hyped plenty. Remember his draft year has just started so the full extent of the hype won't be fully known until pretty much the start of the 2015-2016 season.
 
WhiskeyYourTheDevils said:
Agree to an extent. But if Mcdavid scores 180 points that will definitely warrant a discussion on who the better draft eligible prospect was - Mcdavid or Crosby. Right now, its still Sid, but the gap is closing.
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10 games is too early to say the gap is closing.

For 16 year old seasons Sid definitely wins. CHL player of the year, including missing time for the World Juniors, and was undoubtedly the best player on his team. McDavid also played the WJC, and was certainly the biggest name on Erie, but Brown and Fox had great seasons, playing mainly on their own line.

Ill put it this way. John Tavares' 16 year old season where he scored 72 goals is currently held on a pedestal for the best junior season in recent memory. Better than anything Connor has done. And Sid's 16 year old season blows that out of the water. And his 17 year old season blows his 16 year old season out of the water.
 
In the new nhl, dominating at the ohl level defines a "good" nhl player potential
Finished are the days where we will see pre concussion crosby points per season in the nhl

physics of the game no longer permit those type of points and CMD will not be different

Imo mckinnon will be a longer term bet than CMD.... Think: mckinnon was 2 weeks born away from being eligeable for the 2014 draft......:handclap:
 

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