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C Connor McDavid - Erie Otters, OHL (2015 Draft) IV

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nbwingsfan said:
Or hes getting older and rounding out his game? What Crosby did over 40 games does not mean he would have kept up that pace at all. This is why using the "on pace for" argument is weak.
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Yeah this is the part where you should probably actually look at the numbers and see how staggering they are bud. At 66 points in 40 games even if he dropped off and only scored at his *career average* the rest of that year he'd have hit 125 points and topped the league by a landslide. I'm not actually assuming he'd have kept up that pace and scored 135 points. In fact, he'd already gone into a bit of a slump right before the injury - he was on pace for 140-150 points for most of the first 40 games that year IIRC.

Maybe you don't know how hockey works? He just scored 104 points when no one else even got 90.

He was 17 points ahead of second place.. that isn't a small number.
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Yup, if he's that dominant now, just imagine how dominant he would be if he hadn't suffered the concussion and seen his goal totals fall flat as a result. Instead of 36 goals last year you'd be looking at 50-60. That's 31-41 points ahead of second place.. that isn't a small number.
 
Have to take into account the leagues they both played in as well. I'd say the ohl then was a step ahead of the Q at that time, and the OHL now is a far tougher league than the Q Crosby was in. I see him finishing in the 150-160 point range, man handling the world juniors and getting far in the playoffs in his draft year.

Mcjesus will be drafted by the Hurricanes and swap to wing to play with Eric Staal while Jordan takes the tough competition. Thats my guess mind you ;)

As much as i don't want to keep with the eternal mediocrity i wish the oil would get him.
 
Considering World Juniors...you think he's good for about 55 games assuming he stays healthy...Crosby's last year of Junior he maintained that 2.7PPG average throughout the season, hoping McDavid continues with at least 2.5 PPG, you figure that he'll finish with 135-150 points:amazed:
 
mjd said:
Unrealistic to think he'll get between 75-80 points next year?
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It all depends on the team. Remember, when Sid came into the league, he had Mario and a teams with some terrific parts. If McDavid goes to Edmonton or Cargary, I think 75-80 points is doable.

If he ends up in Buffalo, I think the odds are long.
 
OttawaRoughRiderFan said:
It all depends on the team. Remember, when Sid came into the league, he had Mario and a teams with some terrific parts. If McDavid goes to Edmonton or Cargary, I think 75-80 points is doable.

If he ends up in Buffalo, I think the odds are long.
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he had mark recchi? who was traded away a little after mid season, not much else there. They were the pits... lol pitts
 
GuillaumeLetsundress said:
he had mark recchi? who was traded away a little after mid season, not much else there. They were the pits... lol pitts
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Fair enough. He did have Mario so... Anyway, I will be more than happy to be wrong and see McDavid light things up at 18.
 
OttawaRoughRiderFan said:
Fair enough. He did have Mario so... Anyway, I will be more than happy to be wrong and see McDavid light things up at 18.
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Crosby got better as the season wore on and older "established" guys fell off the roster. Lemieux got hurt early, and honestly would've held Crosby back. If McDavid is anything like Crosby, he won't need much help to produce. I don't think a point per game is out of the question.
 
OttawaRoughRiderFan said:
Fair enough. He did have Mario so... Anyway, I will be more than happy to be wrong and see McDavid light things up at 18.
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Lemieux played 26 games in Crosby's rookie season, he was hardly the reason Crosby put up points. Crosby put up 102 points as a rookie, Gonchar was the 2nd leading scorer on the team with 58. The 05/06 Pens were the 2nd worst team in the league, and we're solidly below average in goals for (even with Crosby tearing it up). They were very bad, Crosby scored a lot because he was awesome, not because of his team.

McDavid is not as good as Crosby was, AND the league is significantly lower scoring now, so 100 points is obviously out of the question. 75-80? I doubt it, he's very, VERY good, but that's a lot of points in today's league. Last season, 80 points would put you tied for 6th (with Kessel and Hall), while 75 points would put you 14th. 60-70 seems more likely to me, which would still be a really phenomenal rookie season for an 18 year old, in today's league.
 
tom_servo said:
Crosby got better as the season wore on and older "established" guys fell off the roster. Lemieux got hurt early, and honestly would've held Crosby back. If McDavid is anything like Crosby, he won't need much help to produce. I don't think a point per game is out of the question.
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ponder said:
Lemieux played 26 games in Crosby's rookie season, he was hardly the reason Crosby put up points. Crosby put up 102 points as a rookie, Gonchar was the 2nd leading scorer on the team with 58. The 05/06 Pens were the 2nd worst team in the league, and we're solidly below average in goals for (even with Crosby tearing it up). They were very bad, Crosby scored a lot because he was awesome, not because of his team.

McDavid is not as good as Crosby was, AND the league is significantly lower scoring now, so 100 points is obviously out of the question. 75-80? I doubt it, but you never know, I do think it's possible. 60-70 seems likely to me, which would still be a really phenomenal rookie season for an 18 year old, in today's league.
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Fair enough, guys. It was 10 years ago and I don't remember who Sid played with. At the risk of stating the obvious, I just think who McDavid plays with will play a huge part in his success.
 
RaginStajan said:
Didn't they have Palffy as well? He retired mid season, I think.
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I remembered the Penguins had some pretty good parts as well but since I posted that, several posters have taken great offense to the idea. Someone should post the team who played.
 
Here are some of the players...

Sergei Gonchar / Mark Recchi / John LeClair / Ryan Malone / Zigmund Palffy / Colby Armstrong / Ryan Whitney / Michel Ouellet / Mario Lemieux / Erik Christensen / Brooks Orpik / Maxime Talbot / Rob Scuderi / Matt Hussey / Sebastien Caron / Jocelyn Thibault

Like I said earlier, not horrible. If I recall, at the time, a lot of people were saying O.V.'s first season was more impressive because he had NO ONE of quality to play while Sid had some quality players. I guess I wasn't wrong after all.
 
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OttawaRoughRiderFan said:
I remembered the Penguins had some pretty good parts as well but since I posted that, several posters have taken great offense to the idea.
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I think you're overstating things.

OttawaRoughRiderFan said:
Here are some of the players...

Sidney Crosby / Sergei Gonchar / Mark Recchi / John LeClair / Ryan Malone / Zigmund Palffy / Colby Armstrong / Ryan Whitney / Michel Ouellet / Mario Lemieux / Erik Christensen / Brooks Orpik / Maxime Talbot / Rob Scuderi / Andre Roy / Matt Hussey / Sebastien Caron / Jocelyn Thibault

Like I said earlier, not horrible at all. If I recall, at the time, a lot of people were saying O.V.'s first season was more impressive because he had NO ONE of quality to play while Sid had some quality players.
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Ovechkin's rookie season was better. He was also 20. That's not the argument.

Crosby finished the season with Colby Armstrong and Andy Hilbert on his line, and was dominating. Look at their stats -- 40 points in 47 games, and 18 points in 19 games, respectively. I'll grant you that Recchi, Palffy, and Malone to a lesser extent (though he was more of a factor in Crosby's sophomore season) may not have hurt Sid's development, you must appreciate that he was a dominant force for the second half without Recchi and Palffy and Lemieux and LeClair (..why did you even bother to include Roy, Hussey, Christensen, Scuderi, etc. when Hilbert was an actual linemate?).

If McDavid gets better and gains more responsibility as the season goes, then I'm sure he can at least have the highest rookie total since '06 (numbers were a bit inflated then).
 
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tom_servo said:
I think you're overstating things.



Ovechkin's rookie season was better. He was also 20. That's not the argument.

Crosby finished the season with Colby Armstrong and Andy Hilbert on his line, and was dominating. Look at their stats -- 40 points in 47 games, and 18 points in 19 games, respectively. I'll grant you that Recchi, Palffy, and Malone to a lesser extent (though he was more of a factor in Crosby's sophomore season) may not have hurt Sid's development, you must appreciate that he was a dominant force for the second half without Recchi and Palffy.
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Of course. He was awesome. I just said he had some quality parts to work with and was taken to the woodshed by some posters. Turns out I was right.
 

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