lomiller1
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C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft) Part 5
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Breakfast of Champs
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Mental gymnastics levelling up once again...."I could see this guy scoring 900 goals, but that still doesn't make him a generational prospect"
He just has an agenda and bedard could score 50 goals in his next 20 games and we would still get the same old "doesn't fit my definition of generational" lines we were given the entire time.
Its really funny to see people back before the WJC say the things he has done were impossible, make up imaginary parameters for what constitutes as such, and move the goal posts over and over.
Bedard is as generational as it comes, he's literally the best goal scoring prospect since Ovechkin and probably the best goal scoring Canadian prospect since Lemieux. Scouts know it , GMs know it , casual fans know it, but some on here still gatekeep the term and won't "allow" it to be used on him.
I usually hate the term, I think it's overused and subjective, but in this case there's zero denying Connor Bedard is a generational talent as a prospect, some of the things he's done we have never seen in history.
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Wait a second, you engaged in many conversations disputing whether Bedard's relative domination was similar to Crosby's and McDavid's and presented metrics why he wasn't.
You can understand why people are calling you out when you backtrack and simply say "his game won't translate in the NHL as well regardless of how many points he puts up in the W".
Most notably, you picked the "ES scoring" hill to die on and now Bedard is a lot closer to Crosby and McDavid in that regard; a lot closer than Bedard's relative goalscoring dominance over those two. And vs. McDavid, he is more dominant vs. the pack.
And if anything, it can be argued that Bedard is doing this on the worst team of the three.
It is time for you to acknowledge this season stands out as arguably the 2nd best by a draft age player in the CHL since Mario in 1984.
And that it makes no sense to compare him to smaller NHL players at their peaks when he is clearly more offensively dominant (if not bigger) than any of those players were in junior.
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I don't consider Ovechkin a generational player despite him closing in on the all time record.
So Bedard is producing at a generational level in the CHL, only bettered by Crosby in the last 40 seasons, and is a generational goalscoring prospect, but isn't generational.
Tough crowd.
Mathieukferland
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Yeah fair enough, but he’s a fairly one-dimensional winger. Ovechkin though has never shown the IQ and vision that Bédard has shown; it gets lost a bit playing for Regina but we see when he plays for Canada with other competent players around him to finish his set ups that this will be a player in the top 10 of assists every year
What do you all care if this guy has a very strict definition of the term?
Also, why would anyone with this strict definition of the term feel the need to keep shouting it out to others who obviously don't have that same standard?
Bedard is a special prospect, and there are more to come in the next few years. Lets all just be glad that we could be watching Sakic, Yzerman, Jagr, Bure of the late 90's early 2000's
Also, why would anyone with this strict definition of the term feel the need to keep shouting it out to others who obviously don't have that same standard?
Bedard is a special prospect, and there are more to come in the next few years. Lets all just be glad that we could be watching Sakic, Yzerman, Jagr, Bure of the late 90's early 2000's
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Ovechkin doesn't have Bedard's vision for sure, but he has elements to his game that Bedard lacks. Bigger, faster, more physically imposing, and a much much better one timer, while also being an underrated passer in his own right.
There is more to a prospect than his stat line. I can't believe that this still needs repeating.
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Did you miss my comments on that later? Gretzky played in an era before back checking was even a thing. It was wide open hockey where you didn't need special tools to find time and space.
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Needs 9 pts in 4 games to match McDavid’s 17 year old season.
It needs repeating because you keep bringing up production as a metric to not consider him on the same level as McDavid/Crosby at the same age.
Why isn't he on their level now that his ES scoring is closer to fitting your generational tag critieria? As is his post WJC pace is closer to matching Crosby's post WJC pace.
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Pavel Barber. Only half kidding. I think he definitely had an influence on the newer generation of players with his videos. For all the crap he would get in his videos comments about "this would never happen in an actual game", we're actually seeing Michigan goals and backhand toe drags being a part of player's repertoire.
No, you said "there hasn't been a generational prospect that didn't dominate at ES like Crosby and McDavid did, Bedard relies too much on the PP."
Sounds pretty stat linish to me.
I realize you are either now continually going to repeat the above or dig around to find some other statistical metric to use so you can move the goalposts.
Why am I even bothering to respond to you then some may ask? I am genuinely interested to see how much more creative you can get.
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Boy you really have a hard time understanding the difference between "or" and "and".
Generational prospects have to have generational productivity and generational skill/physical attributes that project to the next level.
You continue to push the narrative that it only needs to be one or the other, because you can't stand the idea that someone doesn't flatter you're golden boy to your liking. You did the same crap with Crosby.
At this point it's just trolling.
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This thread has turned into a question of how many generational angels could dance on the head of a generational pin.
Anyway... kid gets six points last night and is still only second star. Might as well change his name to Rodney Dangerfield.
Anyway... kid gets six points last night and is still only second star. Might as well change his name to Rodney Dangerfield.
I was recently in Regina for work meetings and saw Bedard put up 5 pts against Moose Jaw. What a rowdy crowd on a Saturday night... you just cant beat small barns and saturday night hockey. Downtown Regina gets beat up often but it was honestly fine staying at the DoubleTree on Victoria Ave- just a quick cab ride to the Brandt Center. We checked out Bushwakker Brewpub before hand in the warehouse district- if anyones going to Regina- you gotta try the Blackberry mead there. Wow. Phenomenal.
Anyways, I was blown away by how small Bedard looked in person. We had decent seats near the top of section 117 behind the penalty box. He's distinctly small. He used his body well, especially for a kid playing against guys 2-3 years older than him.... but I was far more impressed when I saw his american counterpart, Adam Fantilly, in January while conducting some business in Ann Arbor for my brother in law who was refused entry at the border- we took in a Wolverines game and wow... Fantilly seemed to be more NHL-ready "physique" wise... the wolverines were blown out 7-2 by The Ohio State Universite.
Bedard's 3G 2A evening has me a believer. I don't think I will forget that one night in Regina.. I think with a summer spent ""pumping iron"" he can become one of the league's best players - even if his body leaves something to be desired when compared to the stockier american Fantilly.
Anyways, I was blown away by how small Bedard looked in person. We had decent seats near the top of section 117 behind the penalty box. He's distinctly small. He used his body well, especially for a kid playing against guys 2-3 years older than him.... but I was far more impressed when I saw his american counterpart, Adam Fantilly, in January while conducting some business in Ann Arbor for my brother in law who was refused entry at the border- we took in a Wolverines game and wow... Fantilly seemed to be more NHL-ready "physique" wise... the wolverines were blown out 7-2 by The Ohio State Universite.
Bedard's 3G 2A evening has me a believer. I don't think I will forget that one night in Regina.. I think with a summer spent ""pumping iron"" he can become one of the league's best players - even if his body leaves something to be desired when compared to the stockier american Fantilly.
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The trap wasn't a thing in the 80's, but there certainly was checking and of course lots more hitting. I will admit that gap control sucked though, but again if tried to exploit that too much you were going to take some crazy crosschecks or hit to the head. There was also rampant hooking, holding slashing to go along with those cross checks and hits, all far in excess of what players today need to fight through. Gretzky never seemed to be fighting though any of it because he always knew where the puck was going to be and where the open ice was going to be, but for anyone else there was more to fight through then there is today.
Aaaaaannnnnd we are back to the very, very start of this.
There is no precedence for a 17 year CHL player who puts up a "generational" type season; one that only happens every ten years or so, to not reach that same level in the NHL. McDavid, Crosby, L:indros, Mario, and Wayne all reached the tier expected of them.
Bedard obviously has some level of skills/physical attributes that enables him to put up one of the best CHL draft age seasons of all-time. McDavid's speed enabled him in the O, Crosby's physicality in the Q, now Bedard's shot/IQ in the W.
Cue the Bedard's numbers aren't "generational" response and we cycle through this all again.
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That's not a failing of Ovechkin's, it's a failure of your evaluation "system" for generational talents.
Shoot, nothing new here. I guess you aren't the "generational" contrarian I thought you could be.
Sergei Shirokov
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Bedard is some kind of mix of Kane/Marner & Stamkos.
I understand the critique of his defensive game compared to Crosby, not that Crosby was Bergeron but that hes always competed hard all over the ice. Not that Bedard doesn't play defense but he seems like he's often trying to read/react to quickly setup a rush chance. Maybe the league is just too easy for him, or he feels like he needs to score 3-5 points a night for Regina to win, but there will be an adjustment there imo. We'll see. I think he'll start as a winger tho I wouldn't discount he's eventually being a C.
Stamkos wasnt a defensive stalwart when he was scoring 50-60 goals a year, but now he's a complete player that does everything well including still providing elite production.
I understand the critique of his defensive game compared to Crosby, not that Crosby was Bergeron but that hes always competed hard all over the ice. Not that Bedard doesn't play defense but he seems like he's often trying to read/react to quickly setup a rush chance. Maybe the league is just too easy for him, or he feels like he needs to score 3-5 points a night for Regina to win, but there will be an adjustment there imo. We'll see. I think he'll start as a winger tho I wouldn't discount he's eventually being a C.
Stamkos wasnt a defensive stalwart when he was scoring 50-60 goals a year, but now he's a complete player that does everything well including still providing elite production.
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