C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft) Part 5

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I heard from a person I trust, that Bedard in fact wouldn’t agree to a trade because he feels he can produce regardless of team, his draft position is set in stone and is just looking to finish out this season knowing he will be turning pro next year.
yeah, I mean why would a 17 year old kid want to move for a couple months away from a place he's been for a number of years, knowing that it won't change anything that happens once the season is over. the kid's still gotta graduate high school too so moving mid-semester would be a huge pain.
 
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yeah, I mean why would a 17 year old kid want to move for a couple months away from a place he's been for a number of years, knowing that it won't change anything that happens once the season is over. the kid's still gotta graduate high school too so moving mid-semester would be a huge pain.
Oh I totally agree with you, the best thing the WHL did was give high school aged players the option of a no-trade clause. Which ironically enough was because of the Moose Jaw, Swift Current and Regina arms race from 2017-2018 where a ton of young players got dealt at the deadline.
 
It certainly bodes well for him albeit in a smaller sample. One would expect he will be surrounded by a relatively higher level of talent on whatever NHL team he gets drafted by.

It will be interesting to see if he can be as much of a one man wrecking crew like McDavid or be as offensively versatile as Crosby who was able to produce with any quality of linemate which created depth for the Pens.
One thing I'd "argue" with here is that Crosby elevates any linemate, not just produces. Small difference, we're on the same page.

Imagine that... I just argued more in favour of Crosby than Daver. :cool:
 
One thing I'd "argue" with here is that Crosby elevates any linemate, not just produces. Small difference, we're on the same page.

Imagine that... I just argued more in favour of Crosby than Daver. :cool:
Crosby was better at this age and was completely derailed from injuries at the pro level. My background I played against him at the Canada winter games and he was a year younger than the rest of us and he single-handedly beat us. Saying that Bedard is special, and if I played against him I’m sure I would say the same things about him. But Crosby was a different level
 
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Crosby was better at this age and was completely derailed from injuries at the pro level. My background I played against him at the Canada winter games and he was a year younger than the rest of us and he single-handedly beat us. Saying that Bedard is special, and if I played against him I’m sure I would say the same things about him. But Crosby was a different level
Yeah Crosby was better at pretty much everything except shooting.
 
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Yeah Crosby was better at pretty much everything except shooting.
I don’t message on here a lot but I throw my opinion from time to time with a background of playing a decent level of hockey. Its ridiculous to break down players in specific categories, Bedard has a better shot and skating (laterally the way hockey is played now) but Crosby’s IQ was otherworldly (my dad obviously watched the entire tournament and said he made Gretzky plays). So Crosby wasn’t better in everything other than a shot. It’s how they put it together on the ice.
 
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I don’t message on here a lot but I throw my opinion from time to time with a background of playing a decent level of hockey. Its ridiculous to break down players in specific categories, Bedard has a better shot and skating (laterally the way hockey is played now) but Crosby’s IQ was otherworldly (my dad obviously watched the entire tournament and said he made Gretzky plays). So Crosby wasn’t better in everything other than a shot. It’s how they put it together on the ice.
I dunno. People forget what Crosby's skating was like before the ankle injury. He regularly split opposing defenses. Took him over a year to recover from that and by then his style had already sort of changed.
 
I don’t message on here a lot but I throw my opinion from time to time with a background of playing a decent level of hockey. Its ridiculous to break down players in specific categories, Bedard has a better shot and skating (laterally the way hockey is played now) but Crosby’s IQ was otherworldly (my dad obviously watched the entire tournament and said he made Gretzky plays). So Crosby wasn’t better in everything other than a shot. It’s how they put it together on the ice.
I think Crosby's lateral mobility was every bit as good if not better. He's just a better overall skater and used his skating in more ways to create time and space for himself.
 
I think Crosby's lateral mobility was every bit as good if not better. He's just a better overall skater and used his skating in more ways to create time and space for himself.
I am going off watching Bedard vs playing against Crosby. You might be right. Like I said earlier Crosby was the better player at this age. But I also want to highlight the fact that in hockey you can’t separate skills like you do in other sports because it’s how they put it all together on the ice.
 
I am going off watching Bedard vs playing against Crosby. You might be right. Like I said earlier Crosby was the better player at this age. But I also want to highlight the fact that in hockey you can’t separate skills like you do in other sports because it’s how they put it all together on the ice.
Crosby was miles better than Bedard in terms of skating until he got injured.
 
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I am going off watching Bedard vs playing against Crosby. You might be right. Like I said earlier Crosby was the better player at this age. But I also want to highlight the fact that in hockey you can’t separate skills like you do in other sports because it’s how they put it all together on the ice.
Yeah we're in total agreement there. I still think you can isolate and discuss certain skills though, that doesn't mean the player has the processing ability to maximize the impact of those skills.

Pavel Zacha is a good modern day example. Big, strong, fast, with an incredibly lethal shot (wrister and one timer). But his career high in goals is only 17.... the game moves to fast for him, so he struggles to put him some in position where he can actually use that elite skills package. Meanwhile Johnny Gaudreau is built like a towel boy with a much weaker shot (I don't even think he can one time a puck) and yet he scored 40 goals last year.

While guys like Crosby and Gaudreau have great IQ and vision, their real gift is in their processing and anticipation skills (which can be argued are a part of "IQ", but I like to think of them separately). The puck seems to follow them around, and show up on their stick in the most opportune times. It's crazy to think of how many wide open "doorstep" goals Crosby has scored in his career - you'd think teams would pay more attention to the best player on the ice - but he's been showing up in open ice right before the puck arrives for damn near 20 years and he's still not been figured out. Even in Rimouski most of his goals were dirtier goals...

Side note - one of my old teammates from my "sponsored" tournament team is an '85 born from NS and played against Sid for a few years including when he was on the Subways.
 
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One thing I'd "argue" with here is that Crosby elevates any linemate, not just produces. Small difference, we're on the same page.

Imagine that... I just argued more in favour of Crosby than Daver. :cool:

I think the greats do both. Wayne was Wayne with or without Kurri being Kurri. He famously switches from being the GOAT goalscorer to the GOAT playmaker.

Mario elevated Rob Brown then elevates Jagr but his own production was the same. Then Jagr takes over and produces just as well on a depleted Pens team.

The point is that the GOATs do not see a significant jump in their own numbers when they get different linemates, but they bring up the level of their linemates.

Bedard seems like a player who maybe isn't quite the driver of offense like Wayne, Mario and Crosby but could be just as effective with good linemates. Unlike Crosby and McDavid, he could be the designated sniper on a line just as much as the primary playmaker,

I think he has a very high IQ which should help translate his CHL production into NHL production.
 
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I think the greats do both. Wayne was Wayne with or without Kurri being Kurri. He famously switches from being the GOAT goalscorer to the GOAT playmaker.

Mario elevated Rob Brown then elevates Jagr but his own production was the same. Then Jagr takes over and produces just as well on a depleted Pens team.

The point is that the GOATs do not see a significant jump in their own numbers when they get different linemates, but they bring up the level of their linemates.

Bedard seems like a player who maybe isn't quite the driver of offense like Wayne, Mario and Crosby but could be just as effective with good linemates. Unlike Crosby and McDavid, he could be the designated sniper on a line just as much as the primary playmaker,

I think he has a very high IQ which should help translate his CHL production into NHL production.
yeah I think the unique thing about Bedard is that he has the tools to be the best sniper in the game, but he approaches the game with a playmaking mentality with elite IQ. he doesn't just rip it like a guy like Ovechkin or Matthews.

one thing I've really been impressed with is his ability to slow the play down and play laterally. both things that he does better than Crosby, imo. he's going to be an absolute menace in halfcourt (to borrow a basketball term)/powerplay offense. Crosby (first 5 years or so) and McDavid (probably the best rush player of all-time besides Bobby Orr) will definitely be better in transition. but Bedard has more weapons than either in the offensive zone.
 
Miles better?

Bedard is a great skater. Might not have McDavids straight line speed but he’s extremely shifty. Kinda reminds me of Marner.
He's a mix of so many players it's interesting. Others have said it but he's like a Marner/Matthews mix, displaying the best qualities of both. Whoever gets this kid is going to be so lucky
 
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How is Bedard's speed/skating?

Not McDavid/J.Hughes/Mackinnon level but still 'elite'?.. Or?

He's a very good skater but it doesn't really stand out as elite on it's own, or from a purely mechanical pov.

It's the way he attacks and the pace he plays with combined with the stickhandling, deception, and then the passing/shooting.

Someone mentioned Marner, I see a little bit of that with the crossovers and headfakes he uses. I think he might be a little faster and more quick twitch though.

I think he will play with the pace and attack defenders off the rush like a Brayden Point does.
 
A big part of it was money. Regina is trying to upgrade their arena, Bedard is selling out the arena and now there's lots of buzz about them getting a new arena.

Bedard is money.

Regina has only sold out 2 games all year, both recent one's since the WJC ended. There's not really a whole lot of buzz in town about a new arena. The owners of the Pats want one, but not much interest in the taxpayer shelling out for a new one. Lot of people still upset about the new football stadium (which I think it's a phenomenal facility).

The existing arena isn't that bad, probably one of the better one's in the non-NHL markets in the WHL.
 
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