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Bergevin sent me an offer sheet
I think if he was drafted by the Canucks it might attract a new owner.
C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft) Part 5
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Yeah it would change the value of the franchise immediately.
Look at how Edmonton has shot up the rankings by having McDavid (and a new arena - but please read the notes in the article about the valuation of the arena deals in determining the franchise valuations)
NHL Team Values 2022: New York Rangers On Top At $2.2 Billion
Hockey team owners are scoring big, with the average NHL team value now at $1.03 billion, topping $1 billion for the first time and 19% more than a year ago.
www.forbes.com
Kevinsane
Kraken up.
Oh, man. We can dream. I walked away from 52 years of being a Canucks fan because, while I understand that billionaires often engage in shady business practices, beating your children (none of whom want contact with him) is just about the most despicable thing an alleged human can do.
Aquilini is a new form of cretin, but he’s also a massive fan boy and fancies himself a great hockey mind. I don’t know that he’d sell, and the land the arena sits on is worth gazillions in Vancouver’s obscene real estate market. Even with Bedard, I don’t know who’d have the pockets to buy the team and the arena, or buy the team and build a new arena elsewhere.
I digress. Bedard is a freakin’ phenom, and whoever gets him just won the NHL Powerball.
I love any pizza with pineapple on it and feel zero shame.
Why? He isn't being hyped any more than Lindros, Crosby and McDavid were.
So Kane is back to being a generational point producer now? How convenient.
How can Kane and Bedard be similarly elite at ES when you look at the charts YOU came up with in your mental gymnastics routine?
Kane ESP / game - 1.12
Bedard ESP / game - 1.36
Using YOUR metric, Kane is not on the same level as Bedard as a prospect so he should not be included in a discussion of "generational point producers at age 17".
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Relative to their peers, Kane's ES production is every bit as impressive, if not moreso. Did you miss the part where their was way less ES play in the 2006-07 OHL season? Of course you did, because you can't read.
You have to be trolling at this point to continue missing the point this badly. It's pathetic.
Bedard can't even outpace Stankoven at ES, yet somehow he's a on par with Crosby and McDavid lol.
Kane also was a year older. Stankoven of course is two years older. Shrug.
It's pretty ironic saying all this while focusing on something as specific as his WHL ES scoring(which still is excellent anyway). There's been only 33 games that he's played.
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Perhaps, but he also loves creating shit after the whistle more than the others. I kind of like that if he's on my team, but I'd think he's an annoying puke on any other fanbase.
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McDavid and Crosby both dominated everyone in junior at ES by ridiculous levels, including the 19 and 20 year olds. By like 50%.
Bedard isn't even tops in his league in ESP productivity.
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Bedard is also significantly younger and plays on a significantly worse team. He also scores more goals than they do.
Goals per game in draft year:
Lindros: 1.25 GPG
Crosby: 1.06 GPG
McDavid: 0.94 GPG
Bedard: 1.18 GPG
Kane: 1.07 GPG
Tavares: 1.04 GPG
Bedard is doing this while, again, being younger than all these guys and playing on the worst team. And his season isn’t over yet - he could get his GPG into that >1.2 range.
We can’t just look at one specific way of putting up points and say “this is how a generational talent scores his points”. Ovechkin is a generational talent who has a lesser points per game than Malkin who is not considered generational. Even though Connor McDavid is having the best season of his career, he hasn’t separated himself from the likes of Elias Pettersson, Jack Hughes, Erik Karlsson, Nikita Kucherov, and David Pastrnak when it comes to ES scoring this season. So we can’t say “a generational talent dominates his peers at ES”. Sure they often do. But it’s so much more nuanced than the simplistic argument you’re trying to push.
Even Strength points:
Erik Karlsson: 47 points in 49 games
Sidney Crosby: 43 points in 48 games
Jack Hughes: 43 points in 48 games
Connor McDavid: 43 points in 49 games
Elias Pettersson: 42 points in 46 games
Nikita Kucherov: 42 points in 47 games
David Pastrnak: 42 points in 48 games
ES points per 60:
Elias Pettersson: 3.804
Tage Thompson: 3.592
Alex Tuch: 3.515
Jeff Skinner: 3.433
Sidney Crosby: 3.336
David Pastrnak: 3.329
Nikita Kucherov: 3.290
William Nylander: 3.253
Jason Robertson: 3.226
Jack Hughes: 3.199
Nathan MacKinnon: 3.158
Andrei Kuzmenko: 3.136
Connor McDavid: 3.047
You think Aquellini would sell if Bedard is a cash cow and fans will show up regardless whether they hate Aquellini or not? Bedard would not help making the Canucks fan base feel so toxic towards the product that Aquellini wouldn't be able to capitalize on the value of the asset.
Crosby was younger than Bedard when he was in the CHL. Crosby is an August birthday. I get hyping up Bedard, but atleast be factually accurate. He isn't significantly younger than the guys you listed, especially since Crosby was younger.
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Kane wasn't a generational point producer like Bedard, Crosby and McDavid, as relative to their peers, he was not as dominant in PPG. Kane is not a comparable as a point producer, nor is he a comparable as being of similar size at age 17.
So back to the original point, there is no precedent for a "generational point producer" in the CHL to not reach that level in the NHL.
Okay, so they did that.
And what if another generational player dominates in a different manner? A sample of 2 is completely meaningless for drawing such specific conclusions.
Also, might I mention WJC-u20 domination? Or let me guess, generational players didn't dominate like that so Bedard doing so was a negative? Let me guess, generational players weren't such good goal-scorers, so Bedard being so good at scoring goals means he's not generational? Did you address Bedard being over 50% of his team's scoring while McDavid was 36%, also? Let me guess, Bedard's not generational because he's contributing too much.
You really need to learn something about statistics, you can't concentrate on such ridiculously specific things with such samples. Maybe if there were 3k generational players all of whom were ES scoring machines it'd be enough to draw such specific conclusions from.
You're focused on one single thing ignoring everything else. Seems like you're looking for stats to aid with your conclusions rather than drawing conclusions from stats, aka misuse of statistics.
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It's like you couldn't even be bothered to finish reading the first sentence lol.
It would be unprecedented.
I hate how the fun of discussing incredible new talent gets ruined by people arguing over exactly where they rank compared to the all-time greats. Can’t we just enjoy and discuss them for what they are? Damn.
When the next words after "Relative to their peers" were "Kane's ES production" I didn't have to finish reading.
Plain and simple, Kane is not a comparable to Bedard in relative PPG dominance nor he is in size/physicality.
Yes, and that's not all that strange considering the tiny sample of generational players. Could also have argued that Crosby was not generational for all sorts of reasons if you had wanted to at the time.
Bedard's u-20s was unprecedented as well, but you're just picking and choosing which statlines to use based on what suits your narrative.
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Game day boys and girls for the 3rd. best prospect since 2005.
He could challenge to be the 2nd, best before all is said and done.
I like that it is an afternoon start time as well.
Enjoy.
He could challenge to be the 2nd, best before all is said and done.
I like that it is an afternoon start time as well.
Enjoy.
This would have an ounce of relevance if you could point to all the previous "generational point producers" who "relied on the PP" to reach the generational level that ultimately did not dominate like McDavid and Crosby in the NHL.
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