C Connor Bedard - Regina Pats, WHL (2023 Draft) Part 4

[Kevin Musto]

Bedard has 27 goals and 64 points in his first 28 games this year.
Crosby had 41 goals and 98 points in his final 28 games of his draft year.

He's not a Crosby level prospect.

QMJHL was an infamously poor league at the time. It still is the weakest of the CHL leagues.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

QMJHL was an infamously poor league at the time. It still is the weakest of the CHL leagues.

It wasn't that much weaker. Today's WHL is actually much higher scoring than the 2004-05 QMJHL:

Goals per game:
WHL 22-23
6.95

QMJHL 04-05
6.38

Crosby also dropped 6g 11p in 5 games vs the best teams in the OHL and WHL (including arguably the best junior team assembled in the modern era in the London Knights), which is pretty much the same PPG that Bedard currently has in the WHL.

 

[Fraser28]

Bedard has 27 goals and 64 points in his first 28 games this year.
Crosby had 41 goals and 98 points in his final 28 games of his draft year.

He's not a Crosby level prospect.

Hmmm

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

Bedard has 27 goals and 64 points in his first 28 games this year.
Crosby had 41 goals and 98 points in his final 28 games of his draft year.

He's not a Crosby level prospect.

Those stats for Crosby are insane but wasn’t the Q a pretty weak league in that era? Plus Rimouski was a powerhouse in crosby’s draft year, which Regina isn’t.

Crosby at 17 was probably better overall but I’ve personally never seen a 17 year old like this aside from mcdavid.

 

[Daximus]

Those stats for Crosby are insane but wasn’t the Q a pretty weak league in that era? Plus Rimouski was a powerhouse in crosby’s draft year, which Regina isn’t.

Crosby at 17 was probably better overall but I’ve personally never seen a 17 year old like this aside from mcdavid.

Regina is definitely pretty tough to watch outside of Bedard, Svozil and Howe. Suzdalev is okay but nothing special. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Bedard, Svozil and Howe are the only players from that team that sniff any NHL time.

Can't say I know exactly how Crosby's team was viewed at the time but they seemed to be spearheaded by him pretty heavily.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Bedard has 27 goals and 64 points in his first 28 games this year.
Crosby had 41 goals and 98 points in his final 28 games of his draft year.

He's not a Crosby level prospect.

What about Crosby's first 28?

 

[Kevin Musto]

What about Crosby's first 28?

I just checked

He had 59 points in his first 28 games of his draft year

 

[ijuka]

It wasn't that much weaker. Today's WHL is actually much higher scoring than the 2004-05 QMJHL:

Goals per game:
WHL 22-23
6.95

QMJHL 04-05
6.38

Crosby also dropped 6g 11p in 5 games vs the best teams in the OHL and WHL (including arguably the best junior team assembled in the modern era in the London Knights), which is pretty much the same PPG that Bedard currently has in the WHL.

It's not really about the league being higher scoring, it's about the league being weaker. OHL's the highest scoring league and also the strongest so using this scoring rate argument is a bit strange. Liiga's much lower scoring than NHL but NHL obviously is harder to score in than Liiga.

 

[Gold Standard]

I just checked

He had 59 points in his first 28 games of his draft year

so, using an honest apples to apples comp, first 28 games as 17 year old draft eligible players, Bedard has Sid beat by a few points. interesting indeed,

Next two games will be a blast. Hopefully he's playing for gold.

That game last night was a classic. one for the ages,

 

[cupface52]

It wasn't that much weaker. Today's WHL is actually much higher scoring than the 2004-05 QMJHL:

Goals per game:
WHL 22-23
6.95

QMJHL 04-05
6.38

Crosby also dropped 6g 11p in 5 games vs the best teams in the OHL and WHL (including arguably the best junior team assembled in the modern era in the London Knights), which is pretty much the same PPG that Bedard currently has in the WHL.

Looking at the top 100 scorers of the QMJHL in '05. Notable players, Latendresse, Brassard(rookie), Radulov(rookie), Krejci(rookie), there might be a couple 13th forwards I missed. Yes, the QMJHL was MUCH lower QoC compared to the other two leagues.

What about Crosby's first 28?

First 28 games Crosby had 62 points.
First 28 games Bedard had 64 points.

Why do you think he purposely chose his final 28 games?

 

[Gold Standard]

Looking at the top 100 scorers of the QMJHL in '05. Notable players, Latendresse, Brassard(rookie), Radulov(rookie), Krejci(rookie), there might be a couple 13th forwards I missed. Yes, the QMJHL was MUCH lower QoC compared to the other two leagues.



First 28 games Crosby had 62 points.
First 28 games Bedard had 64 points.

Why do you think he purposely chose his final 28 games?

It's pretty obvious. but a completely pathetic LOL attempt on the poster's part.

 

[Kiekura]

Looking at the top 100 scorers of the QMJHL in '05. Notable players, Latendresse, Brassard(rookie), Radulov(rookie), Krejci(rookie), there might be a couple 13th forwards I missed. Yes, the QMJHL was MUCH lower QoC compared to the other two leagues.



First 28 games Crosby had 62 points.
First 28 games Bedard had 64 points.

Why do you think he purposely chose his final 28 games?

Wasn't that same guy saying he is like Jack Hughes level prospect?

 

[Daximus]

It's pretty obvious. but a completely pathetic LOL attempt on the poster's part.

There's always someone. No matter who it is there is always someone who tries to get ahead of the pack on the off chance a player doesn't live up to their draft hype so they can claim that they knew it all along. It was there with McDavid, Matthews, Kane, even Crosby. Heck even Gretzky had doubters.

Then if they don't live up to it they won't let you forget that they called that shot. But they'll be crickets if their wrong.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

What about Crosby's first 28?

Because Crosby got injured in early October and it took him about a month to get back to where he was. Anyone who actually followed him back then knows this.

Before that injury he had 22 points in his first 7 games. He only had 6 points in his first 5 games back from injury.

Until Bedard drops 3.5 PPG over a 25+ game sample, he's not on Crosby's level.

Why do you think he purposely chose his final 28 games?

It's pretty obvious. but a completely pathetic LOL attempt on the poster's part.

See above.

Jeez did nobody actually follow hockey back then?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It's not really about the league being higher scoring, it's about the league being weaker. OHL's the highest scoring league and also the strongest so using this scoring rate argument is a bit strange. Liiga's much lower scoring than NHL but NHL obviously is harder to score in than Liiga.

I know, but the level of offensive output being so different helps to offset the fact that it's a weaker league.

 

[BB88]

Because Crosby got injured in early October and it took him about a month to get back to where he was. Anyone who actually followed him back then knows this.

Before that injury he had 22 points in his first 7 games. He only had 6 points in his first 5 games back from injury.

Until Bedard drops 3.5 PPG over a 25+ game sample, he's not on Crosby's level.



See above.

Jeez did nobody actually follow hockey back then?

You don’t think this WJC is going to give him.a massive boost?

 

[waitin425]

There's always someone. No matter who it is there is always someone who tries to get ahead of the pack on the off chance a player doesn't live up to their draft hype so they can claim that they knew it all along. It was there with McDavid, Matthews, Kane, even Crosby. Heck even Gretzky had doubters.

Then if they don't live up to it they won't let you forget that they called that shot. But they'll be crickets if their wrong.

My dad always told me how he went with my grandpa to see the Sault vs London. My grandpa thought Gretz was a bum. My dad always laughed at that...said Gretzky was skating faster backwards then anyone was forwards.

 

[daver]

It wouldn't be a prospect thread without the myth of the Q being a weaker, offensive-minded league and posters throwing out "kitchen sink" levels of cherry-picked stats.

 

[daver]

Because Crosby got injured in early October and it took him about a month to get back to where he was. Anyone who actually followed him back then knows this.

Before that injury he had 22 points in his first 7 games. He only had 6 points in his first 5 games back from injury.

Until Bedard drops 3.5 PPG over a 25+ game sample, he's not on Crosby's level.

Wait a second. I thought it was all about physical attributes and potential for development at the NHL level and not about numbers?

You have made a point to not acknowledge Bedard's relative domination in the W.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You don’t think this WJC is going to give him.a massive boost?

Who knows? I think there's definitely a good chance of that.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

It wouldn't be a prospect thread without the myth of the Q being a weaker, offensive-minded league and posters throwing out "kitchen sink" levels of cherry-picked stats.

The ‘Q’ is weak. There is a reason a lot of their top talent is bolting to the USHL/NCAA.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Wait a second. I thought it was all about physical attributes and potential for development at the NHL level and not about numbers?

You have made a point to not acknowledge Bedard's relative domination in the W.

Yeah I've never done that

I'm aware it's quite rare, but Bedard is the best goal scorer to come out of the WHL in decades.

If he plays 60 games with Suzdalev, 70 goals is definitely in reach. He just dropped 51 in 62 games as a 16 year old without that sort of supporting talent.

 

[Breakfast of Champs]

Because Crosby got injured in early October and it took him about a month to get back to where he was. Anyone who actually followed him back then knows this.

Before that injury he had 22 points in his first 7 games. He only had 6 points in his first 5 games back from injury.

Until Bedard drops 3.5 PPG over a 25+ game sample, he's not on Crosby's level.



See above.

Jeez did nobody actually follow hockey back then?

The amount of mental gymnastics you're putting yourself through to try to (unsuccessfully) convince people Bedard isn't a generational talent is quite amusing.

He's right there with the greatest prospects of all time. Maybe he will never be as great as Crosby, but at this point he's given people reason to believe he could be. The WJC isn't nothing - and bedard has been far better at it than Sid was, while putting up similar performance to Crosby at the CHL level. Nothing he can do will sway your predetermined opinion, even before this tournament, that he wasn't a generational talent

 

[daver]

The ‘Q’ is weak. There is a reason a lot of their top talent is bolting to the USHL/NCAA.

They have won more Memorial Cups than the O or the W in the last 25 years. In any event, any talk that Crosby benefitted from playing in a weaker league was thrown out the window with his historic rookie season and Art Ross win in his 2nd year.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

The amount of mental gymnastics you're putting yourself through to try to (unsuccessfully) convince people Bedard isn't a generational talent is quite amusing.

He's right there with the greatest prospects of all time. Maybe he will never be as great as Crosby, but at this point he's given people reason to believe he could be. The WJC isn't nothing - and bedard has been far better at it than Sid was, while putting up similar performance to Crosby at the CHL level. Nothing he can do will sway your predetermined opinion, even before this tournament, that he wasn't a generational talent

If he continues to improve his skating and has a back half of season like true generational players have had, I will gladly grant him generational status.

But an elite WJC performance is not enough to propel a franchise level prospect to a generational prospect.